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maxsuur
2016-06-10 18:50
Is anybody active down here?
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alextrades
2016-06-28 10:31
?
maxsuur
2016-06-28 12:21
Hi
agalt
2016-06-28 15:59
What are you in today? I'm trying to get an idea if some of us are concentrated in one continent of we are equally spread out.
maxsuur
2016-06-28 16:00
Where are you based in ?
agalt
2016-06-29 20:09
Tbilisi Georgia and the Balkans
maxsuur
2016-06-29 20:09
Good
maxsuur
2016-06-29 20:09
I have heard it is easy to open bank accounts there in Georgia
maxsuur
2016-06-29 20:10
And that it is quite a pro-business country
agalt
2016-06-29 22:57
Correct tbc bank is wonderful here
maxsuur
2016-06-30 02:18
Thanks
agalt
2016-06-30 11:08
Tbc will open accounts for offshore island country companies as long as you have apostiled documents. Tbc also does merchant accounts. Skb opens Corp accounts as well but not merchant accounts. Residency here is cheap also and good for tax purposes. Put 3k usd in the bank and start a company to get residency. Then pay enough in taxes and buy a flat and you get citizenship in 1-2 years.
josh
2016-06-30 14:14
What does "enough in taxes" equate to? :) is there an amount requirement on the flat, like $25k in Ecuador or $250k when St Kitts & Nevis were doing it?
josh
2016-06-30 14:15
Interesting info BTW. How is the Georgia passport usability globally?
josh
2016-06-30 14:17
:+1:
maxsuur
2016-06-30 14:17
Interesting info
agalt
2016-06-30 15:55
Georgia is getting better in the future fir visa on arival and unfortunately was not developed enough to get visa on arrival for shengen like it was supposed to happen, but a lot of fundamentals are solid here which helps make it a good long term play in my opinion.
agalt
2016-06-30 15:56
The flat can be had here for 17-20k usd
agalt
2016-06-30 15:57
There are some ways to make things smoother to get into shengen Luke applying for a visa to Italy then entering shengen from a tourist visa.
maxsuur
2016-06-30 16:01
Yes, if you dig deeply enough you can always find a way to do whatever is in your mind
maxsuur
2016-06-30 16:53
I am based in Mexico
maxsuur
2016-06-30 16:53
Where is the rest of the crew based in?
agalt
2016-07-02 07:16
Curious to hear where people are as well.
maxsuur
2016-07-02 20:54
I will be in Spain at the end of july
maxsuur
2016-07-02 20:54
In case you guys want to meet up there
jumichot
2016-07-03 17:20
I'm in Spain too until end of september
jumichot
2016-07-03 17:20
where will you based ?
maxsuur
2016-07-03 17:21
Great
maxsuur
2016-07-03 17:21
In southern Spain, jerez de la frontera, to be precise
jumichot
2016-07-03 17:24
seems to be a really nice city
maxsuur
2016-07-03 17:24
Yes, it is
maxsuur
2016-07-03 17:24
I was born there
maxsuur
2016-07-03 17:24
So, I will stay with the family for a while
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jase
2016-07-26 16:54
Late to the party but I'm in Andorra
alextrades
2016-07-26 16:54
how is it ?
jase
2016-07-26 16:55
I love it here
alextrades
2016-07-26 16:55
expensive ?
jase
2016-07-26 16:55
Reasonable cost of living, very safe, fast internet
alextrades
2016-07-26 16:55
how much to buy a place
jase
2016-07-26 16:56
really depends what you are looking at - I'd say cheaper than Barcelona but more expensive than elsewhere in Spain.
jase
2016-07-26 16:56
Thats the most common site, though the UX sucks
jase
2016-07-26 16:57
It doesn't make sense for me to buy here - rent is 600EUR/mo for 2 bed 2 bath, modern place
alextrades
2016-07-26 16:57
andorra is its own country ?
jase
2016-07-26 16:57
yep
alextrades
2016-07-26 16:57
how long you lived there
jase
2016-07-26 16:58
not long - got here in october last year.. took about 3-4 months to get residency
alextrades
2016-07-26 16:58
not bad
jase
2016-07-26 16:58
if you like the outdoors it's a good place to be
jase
2016-07-26 16:59
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F1V9ETHJB/dsc04843.jpg
alextrades
2016-07-26 17:00
what do you do
jase
2016-07-26 17:00
digital marketing
alextrades
2016-07-26 17:00
cool
jase
2016-07-26 17:00
worst part for me is the timezone - most of the companies i work with are on west coast of north america
jase
2016-07-26 17:00
so at 6pm i have my meetings
alextrades
2016-07-26 17:00
right
jase
2016-07-26 17:01
where are you?
alextrades
2016-07-26 17:02
uk
jase
2016-07-26 17:03
fair few brits here
alextrades
2016-07-26 17:03
back later to chat bye for now
jase
2016-07-26 17:03
ok
simon
2016-07-26 18:30
600 EUR! That's dirt cheap! I was expecting Swiss Alps level prices...
jase
2016-07-26 18:58
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F1VB19KA5/2016-02-06_11.35.56.jpg
jase
2016-07-26 18:58
fibre to the home too!
jase
2016-07-26 18:58
(This is a big deal as an Aussie)
alextrades
2016-07-26 18:59
do you think trading currencys is the purest form of trading as its mainly the central banks
alextrades
2016-07-26 19:00
to think about and macro economics
simon
2016-07-26 19:44
@jase: You don't miss Telstra? :stuck_out_tongue:
simon
2016-07-26 19:46
@alextrades: I don't know about whether it's the "purest" but it's certainly my favorite! It's also the most flexible for someone like me who constantly move between timezones.
jase
2016-07-27 07:12
How passive is currency trading @simon? I take a lot of interest in it as I earn/invest/spend in multiple currencies but I suspect I would have lost plenty of money by now if I was genuinely playing the game.
simon
2016-07-27 17:34
@jase: Forex trading is not passive, you definitely have to put in the hours. If you often transact in foreign currencies however, you could use forex trading to hedge and minimize your risk (you can lock in exchange rates far into the future).
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jase
2016-07-28 16:33
Interesting. I am working to build a passive portfolio right now - once I can cover my basic living expenses from dividends/bond coupons though, I'll be more aggressive on the business/investing front.
simon
2016-07-29 19:51
@jase: I'm a big fan of corporate bonds myself. There's some great opportunities these days especially in China. The big five banks are all issuing bonds paying up to ~10%. It's a healthy return considering that these five banks are all partly owned by the Chinese gov, not to mention too big to fail.
jase
2016-07-30 10:30
Very interesting - I never considered China and I love (and hate) TBTF! I am holding some IEML right now: https://www.ishares.com/uk/individual/en/products/251724/ishares-emerging-markets-local-government-bond-ucits-etf
jase
2016-07-30 10:31
Anyone want free coffee/drinks/internet in office spaces all around the world for 1 year? http://www1.regus.com/zsys/ncms/en-us/activations/pages/activation-enterprise-authenticate.aspx
simon
2016-07-30 13:13
@jase: Holy crap it worked! Just got a free membership. Now it's time to cancel my paid one :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Thanks man, I owe you one!
alextrades
2016-07-30 21:32
HI]
maxsuur
2016-07-30 22:01
Really?
maxsuur
2016-07-30 22:01
Just gonna create mine too
maxsuur
2016-07-30 22:01
Thanks bro
maxsuur
2016-07-30 22:03
But
maxsuur
2016-07-30 22:03
Yo have to be a member before
maxsuur
2016-07-30 22:03
You
maxsuur
2016-07-30 22:04
Don't you?
maxsuur
2016-07-30 22:05
What is the enterprise plus member?
simon
2016-07-30 22:43
You can create a free enterprise account, takes 5 minutes.
alextrades
2016-07-30 22:43
I used to have regus but never used
alextrades
2016-07-30 22:43
it
alextrades
2016-07-30 22:44
dont see the point unless im staying somewhere a long time
simon
2016-07-30 22:45
It's convenient when you need a quiet place to get work done. They are almost everywhere.
alextrades
2016-07-30 22:46
cool whats happening with the trading courses ?
alextrades
2016-07-30 22:47
trading is one of the best ways to earn a living
simon
2016-07-30 23:13
It's hard to teach trading online. I don't find the experience optional. What I'll do instead is host retreats where I'll teach in person. Two weeks in a villa in Florida for example.
alextrades
2016-07-30 23:20
ok cool when you thinking ?
simon
2016-07-30 23:26
Later this year. I'll be super busy until October but after that I'll have the time to do it. I'm thinking 6-8 traders in a villa by the beach in Florida for two weeks.
alextrades
2016-07-30 23:26
cool im interested let me know
alextrades
2016-07-30 23:28
how long is your average hold in a trade seconds 15min ? hrs ?
brab
2016-07-31 04:36
@jase mad props for that regus link.... just hooked up a free membership
maxsuur
2016-07-31 04:58
Thanks man
maxsuur
2016-07-31 04:58
I have also created one
jase
2016-07-31 09:58
Hey everyone, glad you scored the memberships.
jase
2016-07-31 10:00
On the topic of travel hacking, I'm currently trying to get Star Alliance gold through Asiana Airlines, then hopefully by the time that happens I'll status match it for something I can take more advantage of. Singapore Airlines would be awesome but status matches are rare as hell through them from what I understand.
jase
2016-07-31 10:00
Always interested in pointers from people!
josh
2016-07-31 18:47
@jase thanks for that Regus link! Awesome. We should have a channel for tools like that.
maxsuur
2016-07-31 18:53
Create one :)
josh
2016-07-31 18:54
I didn?t realize anyone other than admin could create channels. :slightly_smiling_face: Ok I?ll be the anal retentive one haha.
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alistair
2016-08-13 18:57
awesome )) that's price of entry covered I just got the free Regus gold card too ))
simon
2016-08-13 19:02
@alistair: Welcome onboard :slightly_smiling_face: Feel free to write to me if you have any questions
alistair
2016-08-13 19:03
hey ) I'm sure I will have questions but I'll read the Zero Tax Nomad Course before I ask any )
brab
2016-08-14 01:36
Regarding the regus card, I recently went to a location just to check it out. It was located in an office building and after I got in I was able to use the "business lounge" but that was basically just 4 lounge chairs (no desk or real place I could setup a laptop etc). I was under the impression there would be a desk and real chair to sit and do some work. Am I misunderstanding the membership or was it just the location?
simon
2016-08-14 02:59
@brab: Most locations have "pods" with electric outlets and a place to secure a laptop. I took this photo in China but the pods look the same in every country.
simon
2016-08-14 03:00
@simon uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/simon/F216UUP3K/2015-12-16_15.16.45.jpg
brab
2016-08-14 03:00
yea thats what I kept seeing on the pictures of locations and desks with chairs but the place I went only had a "business lounge" nowhere to secure laptop
brab
2016-08-14 03:01
Also I tried searching locations on regus website and "business lounge" is a stated feature of certain offices
brab
2016-08-14 03:01
but I guess it doesnt show you where has "pods" right?
simon
2016-08-14 03:09
From what I understand they are slowly migrating all their locations to the pods. In my experience most Asian locations have them. In HK the best lounges are at the top of Lee Gardens, ICC and the Hopewell tower. The MoKo location hasn't upgraded to the pods yet. In Shenzhen my favorite one is the one near LianHua Xi. There's also one scheduled to open soon at the top of the Ping An tower (will be the highest Regus in the world). If you are in SH, check out the one at Raffles City, it has one of the best views in the world.
brab
2016-08-14 06:33
awesome thx simon
alistair
2016-08-14 09:54
I had a gold membership before for a year. I'd recommend downloading the Regus app. They often have photos of the lounge and you can see if they have pods in the photo. The pods are popular though so you won't always get one. In a big city they can have lots of locations and it's a bit of trial and error to find the best lounge. No1 Poultry was the best in London 3 years ago. It had 8 pods, wasn't too busy and had plenty of space.
brab
2016-08-14 20:23
Thx Alistair, guess I will have to scout around for pods whenever I need to hit one of them up
yura-by
2016-08-17 20:54
guys, i registered regus gold card and it says Expiry date: 31/12/2078. So it is lifetime free? I had impression that it is only first year free
maxsuur
2016-08-17 20:55
1 yr free
simon
2016-08-17 20:58
It's probably a glitch but I hope it's not :stuck_out_tongue: Free gold until 2078 would be epic!
simon
2016-08-17 20:58
Mine also says 2078
yura-by
2016-08-17 20:59
yes, would be nice from them if they save it for those who already registered
maxsuur
2016-08-17 20:59
I hope to make it to 2078
maxsuur
2016-08-17 20:59
Haha
yura-by
2016-08-17 20:59
btw, do they have shared computers. if i walk in just with usb drive to print some docs, we it be possible?
simon
2016-08-17 21:00
Yeah, every location I've been to had at least one iMac
yura-by
2016-08-17 21:00
i hope there will be some life prolonging drugs invented in next 10-20 years :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:00
I hope to live fully the years I have got
simon
2016-08-17 21:03
@maxsuur: Me too but I wouldn't say no to a little extension :wink:
simon
2016-08-17 21:04
Especially if we start colonizing other planets! I'd love to see that
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:04
I always welcome bio-technological advanced though :))
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:05
Elon Musk is forging this new spatial era
yura-by
2016-08-17 21:05
@simon: you will have to much work covering all strategies regarding visas/residency/taxes on other planets :wink:
simon
2016-08-17 21:06
I'll be screwed though, trading will be pretty damn near impossible with interplanetary latency :stuck_out_tongue:
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:07
Hahaha.
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:07
We could truly geo arbitrage
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:07
With metals from other planets
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:07
We may even bring down some precious metals prices
simon
2016-08-17 21:09
For sure. Actually, some precious metals are only precious on earth. They are very abundant in space. Being able to mine them up there will change everything.
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:09
Absolutely
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:10
The scarcity factor would be killed altogether
simon
2016-08-17 21:13
What will be very interesting is how will all these new space colonies be governed. It's unlikely that national governments here on earth will be able to control them, it's more likely that they would self govern. Or that, like in many sci-fy movies, there would be just on government for all of humanity.
simon
2016-08-17 21:14
Personally, I'd love to be able to get myself a spaceship and go create my own colony somewhere. Create an entrepreneur's paradise, tax-free of course :wink:
yura-by
2016-08-17 21:14
i bet by the time humanity goes to the space, everybody will be using bitcoin or some newer crypto-currency, so precious metal will not cost much as now
simon
2016-08-17 21:15
@yura-by: Spacecoin, I like the sound of it :slightly_smiling_face:
yura-by
2016-08-17 21:16
:slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:16
I think people will always want something physical to back up those digital coins
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:17
And rare metals could be a thing
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:17
I would definitely join that extraterrestrial paradise
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:17
Hope you give a discount for your current members
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:18
:dark_sunglasses:
simon
2016-08-17 21:20
@maxsuur: Or a well-armed spaceship :wink: That would back up digital coins alright.
simon
2016-08-17 21:21
All joking aside, I doubt we'll see far away space colonies in our lifetime. If we are lucky, we might be able to have a meetup on the moon!
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:21
Haha
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:21
Talking about meetupd
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:22
Are you still holding london and barcelona's?
simon
2016-08-17 21:24
Yep. Will have to push them to September though. The way things are looking, I'll be flying to HK at the end of the month and then Europe in early September. Will stay on the continent for most of September.
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:24
Nice
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:25
Count on me for one of them, specially Barcelona
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:25
I really want to put faces to this@communityy
simon
2016-08-17 21:29
There's some interesting people I know who are in Spain at the moment. I'll see if I can get them to attend! And some entrepreneurs I've worked with who are now living there under the Entrepreneur visa
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:31
Nice
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:31
It'd be cool to gather them up
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:32
To be honest, I have not met many spanish digital nomads with an interest in reducing their tax bill through global diversification
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:33
I d be happy to get to know those rare birds
simon
2016-08-17 21:38
There aren't a lot of people anywhere in the world doing that. The number is growing but it's still a small niche in the nomad community.
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:39
Yes
simon
2016-08-17 21:39
A lot of people just aren't aware that it's possible not to pay any taxes
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:39
It feels very special
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:39
I am pumped everytime I get a new glimpse of information on the subject
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:39
It blows my mind
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:39
Just to think of the possibilities
simon
2016-08-17 21:41
It makes a pretty damn big difference. In most western countries you'll pay between 25-50% in taxes if you earn over 100k. This means that for every 100k you earn you'll get to keep 25 to 50k more. Over a lifetime that's millions of dollars (or Euro)
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:42
Absolutely
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:43
And lots of potential money made on the interest of the money owed to taxes
simon
2016-08-17 21:45
Yeah not to mention the peace of mind. You make one dollar, you keep one dollar.
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:45
Yes...
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:46
And it is safe from the hands of your government
simon
2016-08-17 21:46
To me, there is also the "game" factor. Creating complex, international setups is something I quite enjoy.
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:46
It is very creative
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:47
I dont know Simon if you have ever taken this mbti test
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:47
I quite suspect you are a entp
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:48
Complex Systems, logic, analysis, rationality..
simon
2016-08-17 21:49
I've never taken the test, I'll have to look it up. You've made me curious about it :stuck_out_tongue:
alistair
2016-08-17 21:50
INFP here
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:50
Hahahaha
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:50
I got entp
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:50
And enjoy these things too much
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:50
One
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:50
Yes
alistair
2016-08-17 21:51
It's a great niche. I bet that site is making a killing
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:51
Absolutely
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:51
Boatloads of money
alistair
2016-08-17 21:51
I was tempted to buy the full report myself
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:51
Me too!
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:51
More than 30 usd
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:51
It is pretty ego-striking
maxsuur
2016-08-17 21:52
I dont know if that is a word haha
simon
2016-08-17 22:00
I got INTP "the logician" :stuck_out_tongue: Not sure how I feel being compared to Varys in Game of Thrones!
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:00
Hahahah
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:00
Almost!
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:00
Sharing the ntp thing bro
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:00
Quite inusual
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:01
Well
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:01
I am compared to the Joker!
alistair
2016-08-17 22:02
I am borderline between INTP and INFP... which is like half geek half hippy ))
alistair
2016-08-17 22:02
Which is probably about right )
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:02
Sure
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:02
Lots of NP here
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:02
Curious about the rest
simon
2016-08-17 22:06
I guess you won't find a lot of insecure, non-curious nomads. It takes guts to leave everything behind and do something most people would consider crazy.
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:06
Absolutely
simon
2016-08-17 22:06
In more ways than one, we are pioneers
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:06
Yes
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:07
That is always the thing
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:08
I feel that the crazy ones are them for not even trying. For me this is the most sensible thing to do
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:08
But it seems not for the majority of people
simon
2016-08-17 22:11
Yeah so we are stuck having to explain all the time what we do, that yes its possible to travel long-term and work etc.
simon
2016-08-17 22:11
Here I have a lot of friends who are still waiting for me to "come back" and settle down.
simon
2016-08-17 22:12
No thank you, I'll take my international lifestyle over a 9 to 5 any day
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:13
Same thing here
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:13
When are you coming back? When are you looking for a job? Thanks but no thanks
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:14
Life can be much more exciting than what society expects of us
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:14
I guess we dont fit into their mental models
simon
2016-08-17 22:18
The only thing I'm unsure about is kids. I'd like to have one or two someday and I'm not sure if I'd keep traveling or settle down. Maybe I'd settle down for 2-3 years than travel again with the kids. Not sure..
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:20
Check out Pete Sisco
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:20
he's an inspiration
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:20
been travelling with kids pretty much all of his life
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:20
also a PT
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:20
and now his kids (as adults) are living all over the world
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:21
I also want to infuse that global perspective to my kids
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:21
I think it's crucial if we want them to thrive
simon
2016-08-17 22:21
Must be a blast, being a location independent kid! Jetting around the world but without having to work or worry about the logistics!
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:22
as a kid I was bored ALL the time
simon
2016-08-17 22:22
I'll definitely check him out. Thanks for the info :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:22
I begged my parents to send me abroad
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:22
to learn english and so on
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:22
...
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:22
the time never came
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:22
you are welcome
alistair
2016-08-17 22:24
the education system isn't evolving quickly enough for the changing world
alistair
2016-08-17 22:25
it's like how I spent so much time learning perfect handwriting...
alistair
2016-08-17 22:25
but by the time school was finished nobody wrote with pen and paper anymore
alistair
2016-08-17 22:25
it's like that but... 100x worse
alistair
2016-08-17 22:26
the school > university path isn't going to provide kids with the tools they need
alistair
2016-08-17 22:26
my uni degree was total waste of time and money lol
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:26
completely outdated
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:27
it needs a total makeover
simon
2016-08-17 22:27
At least we weren't born in China. You should see how bad their education system is, all based on memorizing the same thing and discipline. It's churning out paper pushers and low-creativity workers at a time when it's exactly the opposite they need.
alistair
2016-08-17 22:27
if I had kids I'd be making sure they learned online entrpreneurship
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:28
a system created for a world that does not exist anymore
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:28
and teach them principles
alistair
2016-08-17 22:28
unless they wanted to be a doctor or something
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:28
psychology
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:28
knowledge of history
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:28
how to be a man/woman
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:28
none of it taught at public schools
simon
2016-08-17 22:32
They should also teach finance, it's crazy how many people have no idea how the economy work. Or who don't know how to handle their own personal finances
alistair
2016-08-17 22:32
lol got to hold my hand up to that one ))
alistair
2016-08-17 22:33
My personal finances are a total mess )
alistair
2016-08-17 22:34
First week of university they nabbed me and got me to sign up for a Barclaycard credit card...
alistair
2016-08-17 22:34
20 years later and I've still not paid off that £100
alistair
2016-08-17 22:34
Maybe soon though )
alistair
2016-08-17 22:35
All for a bit extra beer money ))
simon
2016-08-17 22:35
Oh it's still an active balance? Otherwise if you defaulted on it 20 years ago it'll have dropped off your credit report by now
alistair
2016-08-17 22:35
it's active
alistair
2016-08-17 22:35
the balance has never been at zero since then lol
simon
2016-08-17 22:37
I hope it's a miles earning card at least :stuck_out_tongue:
alistair
2016-08-17 22:37
lol nope
alistair
2016-08-17 22:40
How does the economy work anyway? ))))
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:40
hahah
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:40
not even the economists fully comprehend it
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:40
it's a pretty intrincate system
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:40
such as Taxes
alistair
2016-08-17 22:41
they can't even agree what money is )
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:41
money: what the majority of people don't have
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:41
for example
alistair
2016-08-17 22:44
acually I just finished a pretty awesome audiobook... Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari
alistair
2016-08-17 22:44
*actually
alistair
2016-08-17 22:45
he told a pretty convincing story about the origins of money
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:48
nice
maxsuur
2016-08-17 22:48
gotta read that
simon
2016-08-17 22:57
Technically speaking, money is a store or value. It's pretty much impossible to completely understand the economy but it's possible to have a decent understanding.
simon
2016-08-17 23:01
It's even important to have that understanding. So many things are related to the economy, can affect us in a big way.
simon
2016-08-17 23:01
Currency moves, market crashes, interest rates, lending practices, risk sentiment etc
maxsuur
2016-08-17 23:04
you never know
jase
2016-08-18 13:47
ISTJ too. Used to be INTJ usually when taking these tests 5+ years ago but I guess things change
maxsuur
2016-08-18 14:01
Sure
maxsuur
2016-08-18 14:01
Welcome
jase
2016-08-18 14:04
It's pretty interesting to work with this stuff IMO
jase
2016-08-18 14:04
good to know your strengths/weaknesses
alextrades
2016-08-18 15:02
whens the trading course live coming out interested @simon, thanks
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agalt
2016-08-24 02:49
Sucess in tge Istanbul airport using Nordvpn over kakao talk and Skype. Does anyone else use a vpn service?
brab
2016-08-24 21:52
Have tried using a ton of vpn services in china
brab
2016-08-24 21:52
express vpn worked well for me
brab
2016-08-24 21:53
express only bad thing is can only use on one device
brab
2016-08-24 21:53
at a time
maxsuur
2016-08-24 21:53
There is one open source and completely free vpn piece of software I installed on my computer named "Bitmask"
maxsuur
2016-08-24 21:54
Very convenient too
brab
2016-08-24 21:54
nice
brab
2016-08-24 21:54
also heard about a free one called shadowsocks i think
brab
2016-08-24 21:54
havent tried it yet
brab
2016-08-24 21:55
heres some comparison for more vpns
maxsuur
2016-08-24 21:55
Never heard of it
brab
2016-08-24 21:55
supposedly helps bypass gfw in china
brab
2016-08-24 21:55
will try it when im back
maxsuur
2016-08-24 21:56
Good
maxsuur
2016-08-24 21:56
To be honest I have only tried in a couple of countried and worked well
brab
2016-08-24 21:57
these days i think people are not only concerned with what works, but who's keeping logs what info they have on you etc
brab
2016-08-24 21:57
vpn that works in china, accepts bitcoin and keeps 0 logs would be ideal for me
maxsuur
2016-08-24 21:58
Sure
maxsuur
2016-08-24 21:59
In that case I am not that sure if all of this applies
simon
2016-08-25 13:04
I wrote a guide about how to create your own VPN server in 20 minutes or so.
simon
2016-08-25 13:04
It's fairly easy and you are in full control so no logs, sniffing etc
simon
2016-08-25 13:05
And you can choose your server locations.
brab
2016-08-25 13:47
I used digital ocean in china and for whatever reason, it was painfully slow... even if I used the Singapore droplet
maxsuur
2016-08-25 13:48
Very good guide though
maxsuur
2016-08-25 13:48
I have heard good things of NordVPN
agalt
2016-08-25 22:37
Nordvpn was excellent in turkey. It worked fir voice calls on kakao talk. Im really interested in privacy fir intellectual property (not to hide from governments) working on a business/ social networking/ dating project right now that is in testing that has encrypted chat based out of iceland.
maxsuur
2016-08-25 22:42
Nice
maxsuur
2016-08-25 22:42
I habe got my website server in iceland as well for the sake of privacy and freedom of speech
maxsuur
2016-08-25 22:42
*have
agalt
2016-08-26 11:09
Good to hear :)
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2016-09-05 13:21
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jase
2016-09-05 15:44
If you had to pick a single currency to hold all of your cash in long term, what would it be? Obviously a hypothetical, but I'm thinking I'd go SGD
yura-by
2016-09-05 15:45
@jase why?
jase
2016-09-05 15:47
Singapore is the new Switzerland to me. The upside potential isn't the same that you may expect elsewhere, but I suspect it will always be a good currency to hold.
rupyb
2016-09-05 15:47
i hope I never have to be in a position to pick just one. Diversification always the way to go
jase
2016-09-05 15:47
"From 1985 onwards, Singapore adopted a more market-oriented exchange regime, classified as a Monitoring Band, in which the Singapore dollar is allowed to float (within an undisclosed bandwidth of a central parity) but closely monitored by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) against a concealed basket of currencies of Singapore's major trading partners and competitors. This, in theory, allows the Singaporean government to have more control over imported inflation and to ensure that Singapore's exports remain competitive."
jase
2016-09-05 15:48
Agreed @rupyb , I thought it may be an interesting discussion
rupyb
2016-09-05 15:48
SGD does seem like a great one
rupyb
2016-09-05 15:48
USD worries me, as does GBP and Euro
rupyb
2016-09-05 15:49
HKD seems quite solid too?
rupyb
2016-09-05 15:50
AUD and NZD also have a very solid feelings to them, strong governments and economies. But I'm no economist
rupyb
2016-09-05 15:50
What do you guys think is going to happen to the USD?
jase
2016-09-05 15:58
I see USD as being the better place to be until it really isn't.
jase
2016-09-05 15:58
Anyone have a crystal ball? :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-09-05 15:59
Have heard a lot about HKD over the last few years - at one stage there was thought that there would be a re-peg to the USD with upside
jase
2016-09-05 15:59
But it never came to fruition and I'm not sure the reasoning is there anymore (out of the loop now TBH)
jase
2016-09-05 16:01
I like NZD too. I can see AUD and NZD in union one day, so potentially more upside there?
jase
2016-09-05 16:03
I spend in EUR but otherwise I don't want it haha
jase
2016-09-05 16:04
Any opinions on CAD? Similar situation to AUD but with a link to the US - could suffer next to a failing USA
rupyb
2016-09-05 16:06
Dont know much about CAD, but its a very well run country, I think its pretty safe
rupyb
2016-09-05 16:07
What about ZAR? It's gone down a lot, but now seems v under valued, esp if one thinks gold may go up it has potential to surge. Seems like most of the downside is already priced in?
josh
2016-09-05 16:11
From what my friends in RSA tell me, things are getting worse not better. So currency there still could go the way of the Zimbabwean :sweat_smile:
jase
2016-09-05 16:11
Works for me, I'm going to Cape Town at the end of the year :joy:
jase
2016-09-05 16:11
Unfortunately the exchange rate seems to be priced in
rupyb
2016-09-05 16:12
@josh Yikes
josh
2016-09-05 16:12
Haha well do your holiday shopping there! Just don't send anything home by post because it's like double the cost to ship out as it is to ship in
jase
2016-09-05 16:13
Expensive as hell to ship to Andorra anyway!
josh
2016-09-05 16:17
You're based there? How is that? I was in the Pyrenees last summer, really beautiful area
jase
2016-09-05 16:17
Yeah this is home. It's great
josh
2016-09-05 16:37
Seems like it'd be a great place to live, especially for getting outdoors. And it's close to good parts of Europe
jase
2016-09-05 16:54
Yeah really the only negative is the distance from an airport. Our longer distance travel usually involves a night in Barcelona on either end
jase
2016-09-05 16:54
First world problems though
agalt
2016-09-05 17:05
Banker friend in europe says hold usd until 2.5 years into Clinton presidency, then dump it for something else. Thats just my 2 cents
simon
2016-09-05 18:42
@agalt What if Trump wins? :stuck_out_tongue:
jase
2016-09-05 18:42
buy gold
jase
2016-09-05 18:42
(kidding)
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:44
Haha Betfair has bumped a Trump victory up to 28% https://www.betfairpredicts.com/
simon
2016-09-05 18:44
@jase Personally I would choose the HKD. It is backed by large reserves, is pegged to the most liquid currency (USD), is supported by Beijing and is very liquid. For sure at some point it may converted into RMB (or something else) but currently it's a very safe bet.
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:45
If Trump wins the best thing to invest in is a bunker out in the woods with a couple years supply of food haha
jase
2016-09-05 18:45
@simon interesting. What are your thoughts on long term outlook of RMB?
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:45
@simon great to know about HKD, I just moved over some cash here for some investment diversification :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-09-05 18:46
I am trying to earn/stack in HKD where possible. I'd like to find some suitable HKD income investments but yet to find anything I'm keen on
simon
2016-09-05 18:51
@jase I'm quite bullish on China. I've spent years there, have seen how they do business and how fast they grow. They are currently having some trouble with transitioning into a high-value, creative economy but they will get there and sooner rather than later. China is not well understood in the West but they have a long history of prosperity and innovation.
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:51
@simon I know very little about the RMB, but are you not worried about the governments meddling with their currency, and purported censorship and corruption?
jase
2016-09-05 18:52
@simon I'm excited too, but naive. My father in law spends a lot of time doing business there. I have an opportunity for a JV with a Chinese company but I'm concerned my lack of knowledge/experience will see me being taken advantage of
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:52
I read a lot of sketchiness regarding the accounting in both private and public sector too, but perhaps I'm misinformed?
jase
2016-09-05 18:52
@rupyb like the USD? lol
replay
2016-09-05 18:52
@simon totally agree with that. spent about 8 years in China and if the government doesn't totally mess up they have a good future ahead
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:52
@jase yes, lol. I am not bullish on USD either right now, both worry me
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:53
Remember, everyone said the soviet union was amazing too when it was growing 15% each year.... until the corruption did them in
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:54
(I might be totally wrong though, just adding some counter thoughts)
simon
2016-09-05 18:55
@rupyb Currency manipulation is a reality in most countries, the Chinese are not alone in this game. As for accounting, there is certainly a great need for better standards and transparency but that will eventually come. I'm not worried about China going bust like the Soviets. Their culture is very different and their economy is much, much bigger. Also, there is a huge private business sector in China especially in places like Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Guangdong etc
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:57
Interesting
simon
2016-09-05 18:58
I am quite bullish on the USD too. The US is still way ahead when it comes to expertise. All they need is a good government that will do the right thing instead of pandering to the lobbyists
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:58
There's certainly a lot of untapped opportunity in China
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:59
What about all the money printing? How are they going to get the economy off life support without a huge disruption?
rupyb
2016-09-05 18:59
(in USA)
simon
2016-09-05 19:05
They do not have to, at least for now. As long as the USD stays the world reserve currency the US will basically have a license to print free money. I do not foresee another currency taking that place anytime soon. The main contenders would have been the EUR (situation much worse than the US) and the RMB (government simply not ready to remove currency controls and will not be for a long while due to capital flight risk). Also, people are quick to point out the 20 trillion or so debt the US has but they often forget to take into account its huge 86 trillion or so "liquid" wealth.
rupyb
2016-09-05 19:08
Thats a very good point
rupyb
2016-09-05 19:14
If any country has to worry about debt and central bank problems anyways its Japan
rupyb
2016-09-05 19:15
So USA can somewhat watch and use them as their canary in the coalmine, seeing as they are many years away from being in a position like Japan
simon
2016-09-05 19:17
Yeah Japan is in a really difficult position. Not only because of their debt but also because of their shrinking population and poor relation with China. It will be interesting to see how they adapt. If they open up the gates of migration (unlikely), robotize everything, push everyone into the big cities and re-transform the countryside into national parks etc
simon
2016-09-05 19:19
I'm also interested in how Korea plans to avoid this problem. Their debt levels have been steadily increasing in recent years and they also suffer from a "top-heavy" population tree
agalt
2016-09-05 23:38
@simon: it would certainly make things more interesting if he won. I dont vote at all (no point, but a public forum is no place to get into all that) family who worked in government used to laugh at the people who voted growing up in the states, and thsts all i should really say. The Clinton's have a long dynasty, and hopefully she will have internationally minded advisors.
rupyb
2016-09-06 04:49
@simon, have you read this article on China, this shows there is massive corruption by high ranking officials. Pretty worrying if true surely?
rupyb
2016-09-06 04:50
"Anbang?s assets had swelled to $295 billion" and all owned by a few top-officials -- holy moly. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/business/dealbook/anbang-global-shopping-spree-china-mystery-ownership.html
jase
2016-09-06 07:09
Anyone else playing the ageing population trend? I like Singapore REITS for income and some invest in healthcare facilities in the region (Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia) that focus on aged care facilities.
jase
2016-09-06 07:10
I know Australia has an issue there, I'm not sure how it will play out long term. My guess is the government will import younger workers (immigration) if families continue to have less/no children.
simon
2016-09-06 18:43
@jase A lot of countries will face this problem in the medium-term when the number of people retiring overtakes that of people entering the workforce. In my opinion some countries are royally fucked, Italy is probably the most extreme example.
simon
2016-09-06 18:44
@simon uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/simon/F28PLDKLM/italypoptree.png
simon
2016-09-06 18:47
Their population is aging rapidly, their national debt is already on the verge of being unsustainable and they can't seem to grow their economy. Not to mention the huge wealth gap between north and south.
alextrades
2016-09-06 21:10
so you going to short Italy
jase
2016-09-07 06:28
Fully agree. Old @jase used to be concerned about these things - nowadays I simply look for ways to capitalize from the trends.
maxsuur
2016-09-08 20:13
@simon: hi Simon, just to confirm my arrival to Barcelona on the 26th of September. I'll be landing at Barcelona's airport at 4.30 pm
maxsuur
2016-09-08 20:14
Looking forward to it!
agalt
2016-09-09 20:17
Problem = opportunity. Girlfriend is fluent in Italian from University onward. Thanks for posting this graph.
jase
2016-09-10 07:55
Any time I meet someone young not knowing what to do with their life I tell them healthcare. At the very least there will be demand.
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simon
2016-09-19 03:00
@jase That's if the robots do not replace humans! I recently saw a documentary about a robot they are building in Japan that will be able to do most of the work human nurses currently do. One of the best features of the robots was its ability to use the internet to "cloud-diagnose".
josh
2016-09-19 03:18
That sounds terrifying. Trolls will game the results so the solution to every illness is "massive dosage of strawberry cheesecake and Chilean merlot"
simon
2016-09-19 03:20
@josh If that's what happen I bet a lot more people will suddenly "get sick" :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
josh
2016-09-19 03:24
haha yeah that?d be the best case scenario, I didn?t want to be negative but the reality of what trolls would do?
Have you read the Wait But Why about AI? 2 parts and really fascinating, but there?s a scenario in there where the robot decides to eliminate the entire human race to be more efficient at doing it?s job?making paper clips. Kinda terrifying.
josh
2016-09-19 03:25
Both part 1 and part 2 are worth reading.
agalt
2016-09-20 15:27
Flights from sofia Bulgaria to kutiesi Georgia are crazy cheap 20 dollars in some cases. Anyone in the balkans seems to have many options for cheap flights these days. Its cheaper than asia in many cases.
simon
2016-09-21 01:49
@josh Thanks for sharing Josh. I'll read it :slightly_smiling_face:
simon
2016-09-21 01:50
@agalt Winter is coming though, I guess it gets pretty cold in Georgia and this might be a deal breaker for some
agalt
2016-09-21 09:14
Fair enough, It is very mild in Tbilisi (just rain usually). If you like to ski https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudauri the direction you want to go. Its easy to fly into doha or Istanbul if you want to go to asia or southern Europe.
jase
2016-09-23 17:16
"In 2012 the board of directors of BPA hired a Spanish corporate law firm to conduct an independent analysis on its operations to test for compliance. The report which was only discovered earlier this year and 12 months after the BPA scandal, courtesy of an un named ex director having a copy on his lap top, delivered a devastating finding of BPAs methodology. In particular it found in its subsidiary Banco Madrid in Spain ( Long since closed by the authorities, please see below in historical articles) had a system of express accounts which could be opened witout any original document being produced nor any checks whatsoever on the source of funds. The most important conclusion in para 22 stated that there is a "significant risk .......for the commission of crimes of money laundering ......... especially from income pertaining to non-residents". The Andorran authorities state that this report now forms a significant part of proving the case against 12 ex directors of BPA in that it is prima facie knowledge of criminal negligence of the ex directors in the very least. What is not commented on though in the media is the clear failure of the Andorran and in particular the Spanish authorities in their own regulatory inspections. Perhaps the letter from FinCen of the US Treasury was not just blind shooting from the hip as many would like to have believed."
simon
2016-09-23 22:19
@jase In my opinion, it's always better to bank with large banks. If something goes wrong, the government usually turns a blind eye and bail it out. The cost of letting it fail is greater than the cost of rescuing it.
simon
2016-09-23 22:19
Small banks however do not benefit from this "too big to fail" status
jase
2016-09-24 07:03
Well in this case they were basically absorbed by the government
jase
2016-09-24 07:03
But I agree.
jase
2016-09-24 07:04
It has made opening accounts in Andorra borderline impossible....
agalt
2016-09-24 11:36
Tbc in Georgia is great if need personal or corporate accounts (they still open accounts for nevis, Seychelles, panama, etc with a letter of Incumbency)
josh
2016-09-25 11:59
@agalt think they'd open for a Cook Islands llc?
agalt
2016-09-25 15:12
Yup :)
agalt
2016-09-25 15:14
Georgia is... Flexible. Another bank called capital bank in downtown Tbilisi called capital bank is more flexible if you need other options
agalt
2016-09-25 15:26
Tbc opened a bank account for my nevis ibc
simon
2016-09-25 15:53
@agalt Are they easy to bank with for someone who doesn't speak/read Georgian?
agalt
2016-09-25 18:55
Absolutely. They speak English fluently and Russian as well
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josh
2016-09-26 10:30
Interesting option thanks @agalt
agalt
2016-09-26 12:45
In sofia Bulgaria lately there are a lot more police in the subway stations. Don't know what the "papers please" mentality is all about, but they will accept a drivers license to satisfy identity document requirements (helpful hint of any others dont like carrying passports)
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josh
2016-09-29 12:30
Hey guys I?m putting together an investment conference + outdoor adventure meetup in Laos in November, there will be a lot of similarly-minded people to this group there. Also a former miss Asian America who is super dialed in at the highest levels. You can come for the full 5 days or just the 2 investment-focused days in Vientiane. https://venturopoly.com
josh
2016-09-29 12:30
Also, I talked with Simon before posting, not spamming I promise! :sunglasses:
maxsuur
2016-09-29 14:02
Sounds good!
jedijames
2016-09-29 14:02
looks awesome
jase
2016-09-30 08:10
Sounds awesome @josh. Are you behind Venturopoly or Seraph? I can't make this one work but if there's a schedule (even a rough schedule) of more events post it up.
josh
2016-09-30 08:23
I'm behind Venturopoly. There will be more, we'll see how this one goes though in terms of the adventure component and whether we can up the ante or need to tone it down. :wink: Seraph is focusing more on first world deals now so we're going to be building the "frontier" aspect in conjunction with them as that's our passion.
jase
2016-09-30 12:09
Going to be honest. I f*cking hate heights, but in most other things I'm up for a challenge.
stoplight
2016-09-30 14:12
wow..sounds like its going to be a fun time.. @josh ..
josh
2016-09-30 16:08
@jase haha that's kind of the point and you are not alone!
It should be fun though yeah. Seems like the country is opening up in some ways to infrastructure development as well ala Myanmar, but with much less fanfare.
I can update here with an overview afterwards, any of you interested in Ag or infrastructure, either as investors or going and getting involved? Tourism as well.
jase
2016-09-30 16:09
Late on a Friday, I'm tired :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-09-30 16:09
@josh I'm definitely interested in all of that. Definitely part of my investment goals to get involved in agriculture investments. My short to medium term business plans involve tourism/working with independent resorts.
josh
2016-09-30 16:25
Ah very cool. In my experience a lot of people underestimate tourism or think it's not a serious industry, but there are entire countries that thrive mainly because of it! And it's one of those things that projects can be as small as a guy at the beach making smoothies, all the way to hundred million dollar resorts.
jase
2016-09-30 16:34
Yeah absolutely. Long term I'd like to start a joint agriculture/farmstay type venture, probably in New Zealand
jase
2016-09-30 16:35
Part planning for WW3, part planning for food shortages (ag investment), part lifestyle (I could handle a yearly retreat there), part tourism income
jase
2016-09-30 16:36
We're too small to work with huge ventures at the moment by for smaller hospitality companies can provide a lot of value, so that's our core market for now
josh
2016-09-30 16:37
Yeah but there are more of that size probably anyway, and fewer objectionable gatekeepers
josh
2016-09-30 16:39
NZ sounds like a great plan! Great country, I know quite a few people there. Takes a few years for residency though if that's part of the plan. And limits travel a bit during that time. Plenty to explore there though!
jase
2016-09-30 16:45
Good news for me, I'm Australian so I can just rock up
jase
2016-09-30 16:46
4 years offshore tax free upon arrival, but the idea is to earn as much as possible before then, and suck up the high tax after then
jase
2016-09-30 16:46
Amazing place to bug out though, though I have to say the history of Andorra keeps me feeling safe
jase
2016-09-30 16:48
Are you permanently in Laos @josh ?
stoplight
2016-09-30 17:08
Since we're on the topic of New Zealand and Australia...i'm going on a short sojourn in the South Pacific in November...namely Fiji, Tonga and Vanuatu...I hear banking is ok (not great) in those island nations...they even have branches of ANZ and other good banks...so i'm just curious...how difficult is it to open a bank account there these days? Except for Vanuatu, both Fiji and Tonga aren't part of that whole OECD / AEOI list....which is fairly attractive in itself...
josh
2016-09-30 17:14
@jase not permanently anywhere! :sunglasses: Been based in Cambodia for a couple years though, I like the frenetic energy. I leave at least once a month though. Laos is cool, many years behind but has potential if the rulers decide to go the way of their dictator friends in neighboring countries and open up more.
You lucky with NZ!
josh
2016-09-30 17:15
I'm curious about the same thing as you @stoplight I have a company set up in that area but the bigger banking jurisdictions don't like my current passport
jase
2016-09-30 17:15
Living the dream! My wife couldn't hack moving around lots, though we still do a heap of travel. I'm get to properly explore SEA, only been to HK, Malaysia and Singapore. Hardly experienced it!
jase
2016-09-30 17:16
Are you guys looking to bank specifically in a smaller nation in the region?
jase
2016-09-30 17:16
Or Australia?
josh
2016-09-30 17:17
ASEAN is awesome - come if you can for a visit. I should do a little video tour of Phnom Penh, it's a microcosm of the region, cranes and towers literally on every block. Love it
jase
2016-09-30 17:17
Incredible. I was taken by Panama for a while there - still convinced it's an interesting place for investing. It's the wild west though.
josh
2016-09-30 17:20
Panama is great too - I compare PP here to Panama in about 06 or 07. Total bubble, prices ridiculous, there will be a correction. But I think Cambo will fare better than Panama has. Still bummed they never built the Arts Tower on Balboa. That was a beautiful building.
josh
2016-09-30 17:20
I was down there a couple months ago though and there are some cool new ones that have gone up
josh
2016-09-30 17:21
Soho tower I think it is, looks like a Bruce Wayne building
jase
2016-09-30 17:21
Awesome
jase
2016-09-30 17:21
Are you interested from a development point of view? Investing?
jase
2016-09-30 17:21
Keen observer?
josh
2016-09-30 17:23
Haha yeah keen observer. Not to the developer level yet though I aim to be. I'm fascinated by it. Been around it since I was young but only did some small commercial projects in the US back in the day, then went a different life route. Being around the construction all the time though is motivating!
jase
2016-09-30 17:24
Great stuff. I've dreamed of smaller scale developments back in the day but now I'm in Andorra it's not on my radar. Property is a waste of time here IMO.
josh
2016-09-30 17:25
Yeah it seems like there it'd be pretty well run by multi-nationals, yeah?
josh
2016-09-30 17:25
There will be plenty of opportunities I think for decades in Asia
stoplight
2016-09-30 17:26
it's partly one of the reasons why i'm going to that part of the world..to see how things are.. @josh ...hopefully i'll be lucky that they would like my passport..haha..
jase
2016-09-30 17:27
Rent here is very cheap - 1/30 of property prices at best. It makes no sense to buy here IMO
jase
2016-09-30 17:27
High end properties held closely by the Andorrans
stoplight
2016-09-30 17:27
hey..if you guys happen to be in the Philippines..drop me a line..let's have a bottle of beer (or two) .. :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-09-30 17:27
(large properties or up high), a lot of the apartments owned by French/Spanish/Russians with no intention of actually living here
stoplight
2016-09-30 17:28
how about the standard of living @jase ? ..is it expensive to live there?
josh
2016-09-30 17:28
Makes sense for the Andorrans to keep the property, there isn't much of it!
josh
2016-09-30 17:29
@stoplight for sure where are you at in the Philippines?
stoplight
2016-09-30 17:29
the parking lot traffic infested streets of Manila :smile:
jase
2016-09-30 17:29
@stoplight it's surprisingly cheap. Maybe not Philippines cheap, but for one of the safest, healthiest countries in the world I'd say it may be one of the cheapest?
jase
2016-09-30 17:30
We spend around 1000EUR on rent/bills/food. The real hurt is "CASS" - social security. It's around 450EUR per month, but it covers our health bills
stoplight
2016-09-30 17:31
nice..that's interesting..
jase
2016-09-30 17:31
I think it got #4 healthiest country in the world recently in The Lancet
josh
2016-09-30 17:33
Are you forced to pay CASS?
jase
2016-09-30 17:34
Our company is
jase
2016-09-30 17:36
But.. you price it into tax/total cost of living. Could be worse
josh
2016-09-30 17:36
Yeah that doesn't seem so expensive even with it, for what you get there!
alistair
2016-09-30 17:49
It seems it's no longer possible to top up a revolut card using a payoneer card. Revolut support says there are new regulations and my Revolut card can only be topped up from cards issued in the EU
josh
2016-09-30 17:51
Is payoneer US based? They cut all US top-ups several months ago.
alistair
2016-09-30 17:52
They use Choice Bank in Belize to provide the cards
jase
2016-09-30 17:52
Sorry - got caught up with work. Yeah all said and done we're still going to be under 12% tax absolute worse case scenario. In future years that will get lower and lower so I'm not losing sleep over it
jase
2016-09-30 17:53
Keen to find a new solution for cards, seems every time a quality card comes out now they screw it up 12 months later
alistair
2016-09-30 17:54
on top of that Payoneer removed the ability for me to withdraw to a bank
alistair
2016-09-30 17:54
My amazon affiliate income gets paid into Payoneer
alistair
2016-09-30 17:54
but right now the only way I can get it is in cash from an ATM
jase
2016-09-30 17:55
Thats what put me off of Payoneer. I actually didn't know there used to be a different way
jase
2016-09-30 17:55
Are you eligible for Holvi Alistair?
josh
2016-09-30 17:55
The banks probably removed that ability from Payoneer
alistair
2016-09-30 17:57
my income is in usa amazon affiliates. I am in the UK. I have 2 options to get paid. They can send me a cheque or pay into a US bank account.
alistair
2016-09-30 17:57
Payoneer offer a US bank account payments service for 1%
jase
2016-09-30 17:57
I know this too well. My banks refuse to bank their cheques >.<
alistair
2016-09-30 17:57
the amazon cheques? ))
jase
2016-09-30 17:57
Is it worth visiting to open a US account? I've heard remote opening is doable in US
jase
2016-09-30 17:58
Yeah - it's ridiculous
alistair
2016-09-30 17:58
yes it's on my to do list to visit an open a US accoutn
jase
2016-09-30 17:58
I usually rage at the banks 2-3 times a month :stuck_out_tongue:
alistair
2016-09-30 17:58
it could probably save me $200 or $300 per month in fees
alistair
2016-09-30 18:00
i'm planning on travelling a lot so cheques are not really an option
jase
2016-09-30 18:00
agreed
jase
2016-09-30 18:00
depends on your niche but shareasale was great to work with
alistair
2016-09-30 18:01
it's all Amazon affiliate stuff for my site
simon
2016-09-30 18:06
These days you can fly to New York for 300-400$ return from the UK. If you have two days off, fly in on day one, explore the city, open the account the next morning and fly out in the evening. Back at work on day 3.
alistair
2016-09-30 18:07
ha ))
alistair
2016-09-30 18:07
i haven't had 2 days off for about 2 years
alistair
2016-09-30 18:07
but soon ))
alistair
2016-09-30 18:08
I should have quit my job in 2 weeks
alistair
2016-09-30 18:08
maybe New York should be my first trip )
jase
2016-09-30 18:08
WiFi :wink:
jase
2016-09-30 18:08
I find working from Airports pretty good actually
alistair
2016-09-30 18:09
no I mean really "a job"
alistair
2016-09-30 18:09
I work in a post office )
jase
2016-09-30 18:09
oh right!
simon
2016-09-30 18:10
@alistair Has it changed much since they sold the Royal Mail?
alistair
2016-09-30 18:11
I didn't work for them back then. But the Post Office in the UK is a joke.
alistair
2016-09-30 18:11
We run 2 post offices inside convenience stores
alistair
2016-09-30 18:11
the post office used to pay a fixed sum yearly.
alistair
2016-09-30 18:12
they changed to a commission system
alistair
2016-09-30 18:12
the income isn't enough to pay staff on minimum wage
alistair
2016-09-30 18:12
Their business model is the people running post offices just need to by happy they job people in the store
alistair
2016-09-30 18:13
and try to sell them a candy bar or something if you actually want any profit )
alistair
2016-09-30 18:14
For example. We run a small post office 64 hours a week for about $10,000
alistair
2016-09-30 18:15
*they got people in the store
simon
2016-09-30 18:15
Do you also sell banking products? I seem to remember seeing a post office bank somewhere in Europe. Could be France though...
alistair
2016-09-30 18:15
in theory we do yes
alistair
2016-09-30 18:16
but in practice we don't
alistair
2016-09-30 18:16
when someone comes to buy a stamp we are supposed to harass them about home insurance ))
alistair
2016-09-30 18:17
they have a lot of insurance products and currency exchange
alistair
2016-09-30 18:18
For years the UK government has paid a subsidy to Post Office Ltd
alistair
2016-09-30 18:19
but that is being phased out meaning that they just discovered they don't really have a profitable business
alistair
2016-09-30 18:19
they don't earn enough from the products they sell to staff a post office
alistair
2016-09-30 18:19
so the entire UK post office network is moving inside convenience stores
alistair
2016-09-30 18:20
the store owners think it will be great for business to get all the traffic
alistair
2016-09-30 18:20
but it's not ))
alistair
2016-09-30 18:22
So I ended up in the situation. I wake up each day and I've earned $450 from amazon
alistair
2016-09-30 18:22
and the go work 10 hours in a post office for free to help my dad out )
alistair
2016-09-30 18:22
*then go
simon
2016-09-30 18:23
In my hometown in Canada the post office is in a drug store (similar to Boots). They only sell stamps and mailing products though, no insurance. Few people use it though, every neighborhood have automated mailing boxes (where you can send and receive stuff).
alistair
2016-09-30 18:23
yeah that's the way it's going
alistair
2016-09-30 18:23
in the UK the post office used to be like a community service
alistair
2016-09-30 18:23
it's going to fade away to nothing over the next 20 or 30 years I think
alistair
2016-09-30 18:25
We do a lot of small personal banking
simon
2016-09-30 18:25
Nobody sends mail anymore. It's the shipping industry that will thrive in the future, especially if they can automate everything (delivery drones and all that).
alistair
2016-09-30 18:25
withdrawing money and depositing money
alistair
2016-09-30 18:26
because the banks are all shutting down
alistair
2016-09-30 18:26
the high street banks in smaller towns are all closing
alistair
2016-09-30 18:26
but there are still a lot of older people that don't use the internet
alistair
2016-09-30 18:26
they come to us
alistair
2016-09-30 18:28
shopping returns is a big part of the shipping business
simon
2016-09-30 18:28
I read somewhere that some UK banks now have mobile branches (vans) that go 1-2 days every week to smaller towns to provide banking services to those who do not want to use online banking. It's a pretty good idea.
alistair
2016-09-30 18:28
yeah they have them
simon
2016-09-30 18:31
Have you ever had people come to your post office to return something they bought from you on Amazon? :stuck_out_tongue:
alistair
2016-09-30 18:32
haha
alistair
2016-09-30 18:32
I won't know even if it happened ))
alistair
2016-09-30 18:33
tiny chance
alistair
2016-09-30 18:34
probably only had about 10 returns ))
alistair
2016-09-30 18:34
most of my traffic is in the us
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:34
I use payoneer for amazon affiliate
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:35
amazon => payoneer account => withdraw to HSBC bank in HK
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:35
it works fine, except you ahve to manually withdraw each month, and they're taking a ton of money every time. Easily $1000 a year I'm losing
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:35
There's a cost for receviing, a cost for withdrawing i believe
alistair
2016-09-30 18:35
1% for recieving
alistair
2016-09-30 18:36
and they screw you on the exchange rate for the bank transfer
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:36
I had a talk with folks from amazon a while back, they were doing some survey for top affiliate or something it seems (been with them since 2007) . Appearently it was highly requested feature to have bank transfer outside of US too from top affiliates. They said they were goingto work on it, but nothing so far clearly (this is several months ago, earlir this year)
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:36
yeah payoneer asses
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:36
Does opening US bank account establish US presence? I'd rather not having anything to do with that country :slightly_smiling_face:
alistair
2016-09-30 18:37
yeah that's something I'm worried about ))
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:37
nothing to do except selling to US customers :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:37
outside of that nothing :slightly_smiling_face:
alistair
2016-09-30 18:37
i'd need to be sure before hand
alistair
2016-09-30 18:38
I don't really want to transfer all the money into my UK bank account
alistair
2016-09-30 18:38
I'm still planning to go to Malta
alistair
2016-09-30 18:39
but then I don't trust Payoneer with too much money sitting in the account
alistair
2016-09-30 18:40
so I need a solution to move it somewhere
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:40
what's issue with payoneer?
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:40
besides the fees?
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:40
never had any issues with them in 2 years, they just take a a lot + it's not automated
simon
2016-09-30 18:41
@kl5340dc To open a US business bank account you'll need to apply for an EIN (from the IRS). This doesn't necessarily means that you will have to pay taxes in the US but it will make compliance more complicated. Opening a personal account on the other hand is very easy and doesn't have any tax implications (except for US-sourced interest income).
alistair
2016-09-30 18:41
I went to withdraw the money and the withdraw option has gone
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:41
AH you're spending the money with your card - okay that's expensive I gues
alistair
2016-09-30 18:41
they said it's a "technical issue"
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:42
@simon okay thanks, I think it's best to just keep paying that 1k fee from payoneer for a while, amazon might faciilate payments in the future from the talk I had with them
alistair
2016-09-30 18:42
i also don't trust them to have a lot of money in the account. Generally I've had few problems with them but when I do the support is terrible
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:42
I withdrew this week money so definitely not general - they're doing some check on your account maybe? I remember it was blocked when I made account in the beginning
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:42
yeah they suck
simon
2016-09-30 18:42
@kl5340dc I hope so, it's a damn shame that a global company like them can't send wires to other countries.
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:43
I like amazon quite a lot, was very surprised they called like that to get feedback. They said another thing that's hugely requested is the GEO tagging that currently requires plugins, they said they'd work on that too
alistair
2016-09-30 18:45
@kl5340dc Genius Link is the best option at the moment I think
alistair
2016-09-30 18:46
I added 5% to my income by using that service
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:46
Ah
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:47
they take howmuch?
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:47
Been lazy about it, never done it
alistair
2016-09-30 18:47
you pay per click
alistair
2016-09-30 18:47
about $1 for 1000 clicks
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:48
ok
alistair
2016-09-30 18:48
I used to use Easyazon but they don't redirect to the correct product just a general search in the http://amazon.ca store for example
alistair
2016-09-30 18:48
GenuisLink maintain a database of linked products
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:48
ah, that's nice
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:48
yeah I saw easyazon andddin't like it's general search
alistair
2016-09-30 18:48
if possible they redirect to the exact product on the foreign store
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:49
that sounds cool
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:49
okay, thanks for tip
alistair
2016-09-30 18:49
that's why I added 5% )
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:49
which country added the most out of the 5%?
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:49
UK?
alistair
2016-09-30 18:49
yeah UK
alistair
2016-09-30 18:49
then Canada
alistair
2016-09-30 18:49
then germany
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:50
makes sense
alistair
2016-09-30 18:51
a few euros for france, italy and spain
alistair
2016-09-30 18:51
i'll just let it build up and take the amazon gift voucher
alistair
2016-09-30 18:52
if you have normal amazon urls
alistair
2016-09-30 18:52
and wordpress
alistair
2016-09-30 18:53
the geniuslink wordpress plugin will do all the work for you.
alistair
2016-09-30 18:53
it uses javascript to automatically change the urls so you don't need to edit all your posts
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:54
really?
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:54
just replaces the amazon links?
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:54
I was thinking it would be a ton of work to replace it all!
alistair
2016-09-30 18:54
yes
alistair
2016-09-30 18:55
you can set it all up in about 15 mins )
alistair
2016-09-30 18:55
but I should say it's not officially sanctioned by Amazon (nothing is)
alistair
2016-09-30 18:55
and amazon are notoriously trigger happy for banning affiliate accounts
alistair
2016-09-30 18:56
haha ) I'm going bet if you set GeniusLink up you can offset the cost of those payoneer fees ))
kl5340dc
2016-09-30 18:58
yeah
jedijames
2016-10-01 00:28
hi Simon. what company do you recommend for holding stocks (apple, Microsoft etc). RAK, Belize etc?
josh
2016-10-01 09:39
I shouldn't laugh but los comentarios jajaja. That made the video. Damn though that is sketchy construction there wasn't even any flow just standing water
josh
2016-10-01 09:40
I came across this today @jase thought you might be interested for your business, it looks pretty cool http://www.adventuretravel.biz/
josh
2016-10-01 09:43
I thought this was interesting as well, haven't researched it fully yet but it didn't seem like it's totally globalist like they usually are from a quick scan. http://www.accountabilitylab.org/
jase
2016-10-01 09:43
Thanks, I am making a list of events I want to attend for next year. They look good!
josh
2016-10-01 09:45
Yeah someone I know was in Alaska at this years and sent it to me, she said it was awesome
jase
2016-10-01 09:45
Accountability lab is a cool concept. For a while we were talking about starting a retreat in Panama and as part of it teaching about healthy cooking/diet (turns out fried dough isn't so healthy!)
jase
2016-10-01 09:46
I have been talking with some friends locally about "what next" after we ideally all make our medium to big exits
jase
2016-10-01 09:46
Ironically it's probably tougher than the money making business itself
josh
2016-10-01 09:46
That is the mindset man, love it. Gotta know your passion
josh
2016-10-01 09:47
Be you, the doing will follow. Especially when money is no issue
jase
2016-10-01 09:48
Completely random but have you heard of seawater greenhouses?
jase
2016-10-01 09:50
This is also extremely interesting to me. I am from the driest part of Australia (driest continent in the world). Setting up some of these desalination farms in Aus is another idea I can't shake
josh
2016-10-01 10:12
Sorry had a call - checking the link
josh
2016-10-01 10:14
Wow! That looks brilliant. I wonder if they could set something like that up on the machine they are building to clean the pacific gyre, take care of two things at once!
josh
2016-10-01 10:15
If you do a seawater greenhouse farm you have to show up to the office in a seawater sports car
stoplight
2016-10-01 13:52
wow...that looks very pretty! :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-10-01 13:52
Sitting at dinner now in Tbilisi. Two brittish diplomats are discussing how to "civilize" the georgians. Long story short there really isnt any word on if Georgia will join the eu, but there is significant interest in Georgia by brittian.
agalt
2016-10-01 13:53
Im at the next table over.
jase
2016-10-01 15:54
Anyone know if there is a country in SEA that doesn't suck for property ownership? Not just apartments, but land. I know most in the region require a resident majority owner.
ibello
2016-10-01 16:55
has joined #random-chat
simon
2016-10-01 19:09
@jase Malaysia allows foreigners to buy freehold properties. http://mm2h.com/common-questions-answered-for-expats-investing-in-malaysian-property.php
simon
2016-10-01 19:12
If you guys are interested in sustainable agriculture, you should check out what Spread is doing in Japan. http://spread.co.jp/en/sustainable-farming/
rupyb
2016-10-01 19:19
Does anyone here have any experience with Chinese capital controls?
rupyb
2016-10-01 19:19
For example; if you have a business bank account, held in the name of a foreign company, and its holding RMB, are you allowed to remit that overseas freely, or do you have to provide reasons etc...?
simon
2016-10-01 19:55
@rupyb From the HSBC guide on mainland Chinese banking for businesses:
simon
2016-10-01 19:55
Restriction on outbound remittance: Repatriation of cash is strictly controlled. The only way a company can transfer profits out of the country is to pay an annual dividend. Supporting documents must be submitted to banks for cross-border profits transfers. Meanwhile, for payment amounts exceeding US$30,000 or equivalent, tax clearance certificates should also be presented for remittance purpose.
simon
2016-10-01 19:57
@simon uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/simon/F2JANN0EB/icbc.png and commented: Speaking of Chinese banking, if you want a good laugh check out ICBC's online banking!
simon
2016-10-01 19:57
And that's personal banking, business banking is even more confusing.
rupyb
2016-10-01 20:18
Oh gees
rupyb
2016-10-01 20:19
So forget about profits, but just wanting to move RMB out of the account, and into another foreign bank, via a wire is not gonna happen?
rupyb
2016-10-01 20:19
How would a tax clearance work for a non-resident though?
rupyb
2016-10-01 20:20
Hahha ICBCs internet banking looks pretty old school and feature packed wow!
simon
2016-10-01 20:59
@rupyb Yeah not gonna happen. There are ways you could "smuggle" the cash out of the country but those are not entirely legal.
simon
2016-10-01 21:00
The tax clearance just confirms that you do not owe any taxes. If you are running a business and can prove that taxes have been paid, you should be able to get it.
stoplight
2016-10-01 21:32
I've heard of stories of wealthy mainland folks bringing out money in their luggage.. :smile: ..yup...we can definitely call that "smuggling" :joy:
rupyb
2016-10-01 21:33
Haha
rupyb
2016-10-01 21:33
I've heard the rich smuggle their cash by (a) register Chinese company (b) purchase shares in other companies
rupyb
2016-10-01 21:33
But thats kinda roundabout way
stoplight
2016-10-01 21:35
there was a loophole with having a second residency route before...couldn't quite remember how it worked...that you could bring money to your second place of residency..like Hong Kong...but they closed that a long time ago..maybe Simon would know more...
rupyb
2016-10-01 21:36
Thats certainly interesting, considering I'm living in HK for now (not a resident though)
rupyb
2016-10-01 21:41
You're surely allowed to send out CNY though to buy stuff, right? So they will surely send CNY if you provide an invoice or a reason for the transfer right? Like say you were importing something
rupyb
2016-10-01 21:41
Just wondering how it all works
simon
2016-10-01 22:42
Sure, but only if you really intend on importing stuff into the mainland. The government verifies the validity of such invoices and can block the transfer if it deems it suspicious. The CCP is very good at this sort of things.
simon
2016-10-01 22:43
If we are talking about less than a million RMB you could withdraw it over a period of time in HK. There's plenty of RMB ATMs.
simon
2016-10-01 22:43
If more than a million, well things get a bit more tricky.
josh
2016-10-02 01:03
Nice link on Spread @simon. I did a lot of research on vertical farming and different technologies last year, seems like it has a long way to go still to do more than grow nice lettuce. I'm more bullish on it though than most people in ag I know. For personal gardens though, like prepper style, there is a lot that can be done worthwhile.
agalt
2016-10-02 10:39
Not sure if this is legal or applies to the question regarding China, but a guy in the states I worked with was in the precious gems business, and he would carry diamonds and other gems in toothpaste tubes that had enough aluminum content to block the scanners in the airports. put a little toothpaste in the top to keep it looking legit if they open your bags. So if you buy diamonds, or whatever in the mainland, you can carry it out.
stoplight
2016-10-02 14:05
@agalt ..damn..that's the way to do it! haha..living dangerously..
maxsuur
2016-10-02 14:11
A very higienic way to transport material cross borders
rupyb
2016-10-02 18:32
@agalt Hahah that is brilliant
rupyb
2016-10-02 18:32
Not sure if its for me though lol, but brilliant nonetheless
rupyb
2016-10-02 18:35
How would it work on the other side though; surely when you sell the diamond outside the country questions get asked?
rupyb
2016-10-02 18:37
Ive often wondered about this sort of thing, I mean if you have a yacht it must be hilariously easy to move around precious metals etc...
josh
2016-10-02 19:52
Or private jet.
jase
2016-10-02 20:06
Isn't this how the rich move stuff? Wear a Rolex, travel with a spare and get your wife to wear a bunch of diamonds then flog them on the other end?
simon
2016-10-02 20:07
@jase That's a dangerous strategy, the wife might not want to give the diamonds back :stuck_out_tongue:
jase
2016-10-02 20:08
Touché.
jase
2016-10-02 20:08
Anyone here had first hand experience with Cape Town?
jase
2016-10-02 20:09
I am heading there at the end of the year, the warnings online are... Blunt. Panama was toted as a super safe, developed country and clearly wasn't. Makes me wonder how sketchy CT is
rupyb
2016-10-02 20:41
I lived in Cape Town for 15 years
rupyb
2016-10-02 20:41
:slightly_smiling_face:
rupyb
2016-10-02 20:41
Atlantic Seaboard is the best place to be
rupyb
2016-10-02 20:42
Pricey, but worth it
rupyb
2016-10-02 20:42
CBD area is great too
rupyb
2016-10-02 20:43
@josh omw yeah private jet even easier haha, ultra-rich always have it good
rupyb
2016-10-02 21:02
@jase Hah, love the Rolex idea!
agalt
2016-10-02 22:36
Great ideas here. Really enjoy the humor. Remember to keep the toothpaste tubes small. A security lady in croatia threw away a larger toothpaste tube i had and i started to argue with her as an experiment and she didnt care. I started complaining that it was exlensive and i didnt want to buy it again. She just rolled her eyes as i was standing there with a sport coat and a briefcase. :grinning:
simon
2016-10-02 22:51
Imagine if that happened with a toothpaste tube full of diamonds :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
simon
2016-10-02 22:52
I'd be digging through the airport trash for days to get it back!
rupyb
2016-10-02 22:53
ROFL
josh
2016-10-03 00:41
I have a very good friend in Cape Town - looking for every possible angle to leave the country. Other acquaintances that post on fb - looks sketchy in a different way than Latin America...
jase
2016-10-03 06:47
Agreed @josh. Seems pretty messed up down there. Going for a wedding so I can't really bail on it but I'm a bit confused why it is so desirable/accommodation is so expensive.
rupyb
2016-10-03 08:53
@josh Yeah I dont recommend to live in Cape Town, its sad really, i grew up there and had a blast, but the government is incompetent and corrupt and ruining the place . But to visit Cape Town (on holiday etc..) its pretty awesome, if you stay in the right areas
jase
2016-10-03 09:03
@rupyb it's tricky finding the areas. So far I think we'll be in Tamberskloof and Sea Point. Staying on a vineyard for the wedding itself and only have a few other days to book up.
jase
2016-10-03 09:04
Interestingly enough though, I've read some good stuff about hiring South Africans - high quality workers, excellent English, they get Aussie jokes (bonus for me) and because the rand is worth nothing, extremely affordable.
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 09:22
How's dubai for living?
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 09:22
Seems expensive, but outside of that?
agalt
2016-10-03 09:59
How do south Africans compare to eastern Europeans for hiring in fields like online marketing or small web ui/ ux projects?
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:00
I've hired from poland, romania, ukraine, russia
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:01
it's been mixed
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:01
ukraine, romania has been terrible
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:01
russia one guy great, one guy terrible
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:01
poland has been great
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:01
another designer from romania ok
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:02
russians can be very upfront/blunt, not very willing to help a lot, can be annoying to work with for westerner, takes a bit to get used to
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:02
That said, I think you can't generalize the country, there's good/bad everywhere
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:02
Actually had terrible experience with designer from poland, but now have really great dev from poland (but he worked at google previously, so that's a great filter)
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:04
What do you do @kl5340dc ?
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:04
*for a living
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:10
websites, apps
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:10
main thing now is apps for iphone/android
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:10
so working with devs and designer
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:10
I do product
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:11
quite fun, great margins, well automated, etc
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:11
what do you do?
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:12
That sounds nice
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:13
I do online marketing selling books and courses
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:13
I have been learning quite a lot over the past year, and now it seems to be taking off
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:14
great business digital products
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:14
I did that too at first, somehow ended up in software
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:14
went online marketing => subscription/membership site => apps
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:15
Nice
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:15
I love the margins too, and the endless possibilities
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:15
Joint venture partners, fb ads and so on
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:16
I like everything I can have control of
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:16
Ecommerce (physical products) is also appealing to me
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:16
ecommerce rough :slightly_smiling_face: smaller margins :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:16
the issue I saw wth digital products is that i was doing a lot of free stuff to attract people
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:17
so selling them courses when there's already so much free is tough
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:17
never did ads, frugal mindset )
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:17
software is more like - hey I told you what to do in the free content, this software will help you doing it
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:17
it's logical next step
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:18
the drawback with apps is that it's tough to sell stuff for more than $100 and that requires subscription whcih is quite complex
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:18
so it's a lot of volume
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:18
with google/apple 30% tax!
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:18
but it's okay
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:19
Definitely
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:21
What I am experiencing right now is that overtime we (business owners) are going to be needing more and@more software, and most of it involved a suscription rate that adds up to a huge bill at the end of the month
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:21
If you are profiting off it, no big deal.
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:21
yeah
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:22
I see some sort of dematerialization in society
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:22
and that is if you can find a product that does what you want - if you have to build it yourself, it's nightmare
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:22
People more willing to pay for access to services than the actual physical products
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:22
yeah
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:22
anotehr issue is price of software seems to be going to zero, just like price of content to zero
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:23
people are getting used to paying zero for google/facebook products
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:23
getting use dto pay 10$ a month for netflix and spotify for unlimited everything
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:23
"why do you charge more?"
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:23
Yes..
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:23
But these channels are aggregators
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:23
get as much as you can while you can :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:24
If the content creators did not receive compensation, these channels would be unsustainable
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:24
Great advice
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:25
not the consumer's problem
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:25
that's the thinking, esp with the young kids
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:25
not their problem
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:26
But what incentive would the@content creators have?
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:26
I agree, it' sjust what I'm seeing
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:26
I guess some content creators like the attention more than the moneys
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:26
I do see it too
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:26
fame/attention
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:26
Probably more amateurish work
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:26
Everyone singing songs in youtube
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:27
I've seen people building decent following,but not being able to make money out of it. But they seemed fine because now they're "popular"
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:27
:))
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:27
silly but hey...
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:27
I also think that customization, personal services, one on one, are going to thrive in the future
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:27
and people block ads now, heh
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:28
Personal touch
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:28
yeah
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:28
and dot it for me
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:28
And services for the rich
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:28
And ultrarich
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:28
yeah
maxsuur
2016-10-03 10:30
Gotta go now. Nice chat we have had. Talk later!
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 10:32
k
agalt
2016-10-03 12:35
thrive content builder purchase for wordpress stuff: yes or no? Looking to speed up the site I am working on and get more hands on with it.
maxsuur
2016-10-03 12:49
Definitely
maxsuur
2016-10-03 12:49
If I were you I'd purchase the thrive suite entirely
maxsuur
2016-10-03 12:49
Their products are superior
maxsuur
2016-10-03 12:50
Customer support and educational materials top notch
maxsuur
2016-10-03 12:50
The best marketing investment I have made this year
maxsuur
2016-10-03 12:50
To speed up your site, check this plugin out: wp rocket
maxsuur
2016-10-03 12:51
It has reduced my site's loading time from 2.5 secs to a mere 0.5 secs
agalt
2016-10-03 12:53
thank you! much appreciated.
maxsuur
2016-10-03 12:54
You are welcome man
rupyb
2016-10-03 13:07
@jase Tamberskloof and Sea Point are top notch, good choices
rupyb
2016-10-03 13:08
South Africans are very hard workers, and yeah hella affordable right now with whats happened to the Rand
agalt
2016-10-03 13:10
aha. Had good luck and some bad luck along the way with workers. Hired 2 americans (one garbage, and one good) one georgian (wasted time and money), a slovenian (cant make sense of whats taking so long, but the price is reasonable long term)
agalt
2016-10-03 13:11
russians will do marketing via social media for 3 dollars an hour and most are quite good at it
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 13:12
wp rocket better than w3 total cache? @maxsuur
jase
2016-10-03 13:17
Good to know @rupyb !
jase
2016-10-03 13:18
On the topic of workers, I find Canadians good if you are working with US. Slightly cheaper at current exchange rate, good timezones for US and they understand the culture.
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:31
@kl5340dc: after using wp rocket, I wont go back to any other caching plugin
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:32
There used to be a coupon code you can use: Siteground20 or siteground25
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:32
In caps
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:33
I can't remember which one (20/25% discount)
jase
2016-10-03 13:35
@maxsuur are you hosting yourself or using a managed WP host? I've been moving everything to Flywheel (lots of client sites, saves me a heap of time). Is WP rocket still worth it on a host like that?
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:35
I only have a website I am hosting with Siteground
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:36
Shared hosting but managed wordpress
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:36
I'd bet yes
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:37
I use Siteground's caching plugin (supercacher) along with wp rocket
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:37
My results have been stunning
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:37
And their support staff is quite responsive
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:38
Just try for yourself
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:38
You get a 30-day-money-back guarantee
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:39
Around 30 usd using the discount
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:39
There are good reviews on it on the internet, and configuration is as easy as it gets
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:40
I have also heard very goos things of Traffic Hosting Planet
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:40
But it is considerably more expensive than my current host
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:41
Will try in the future
jase
2016-10-03 13:42
Cool I will check it out. Literally my only reason for not wanting to get on board with plugins like these are the yearly subscriptions. It adds hassle to client sites.. but when speed is the outcome it's worth it
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:44
It is not a suscription-based plugin
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:44
Although they offer you the possibility
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:45
For me more speed, means: a greater customer experience, more interaction, more conversions, and ultimately less hassle and more in the bank
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:45
*money, moolah, dough
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:45
Haha
jase
2016-10-03 13:45
Yearly renewal, no?
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:45
If you fancy
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:46
But you can use the plugin as is forever
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:46
At least that is what they claim on the site
jase
2016-10-03 13:47
ok
agalt
2016-10-03 13:52
flywheel was recomended recently by someone. was on http://orangewebsite.com out of iceland for awhile but flywheel is looking more appealing.
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:53
I just switched hosts from orangewebsite to siteground
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:54
To be honest, orangewebsite has a been a freaking nightmare
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:54
Very quick customer support
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:54
But useless
agalt
2016-10-03 13:54
orangewebsite was recomended by someone whos information was not always thoughtful for the long term.
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:54
They would never solve any issue
agalt
2016-10-03 13:55
lots of support tickets answered, but lots of problems and slow load times
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:55
The same
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:55
My site would time out
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:55
It was down multiple times, it would not load in a million years
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:56
I liked the idea of the offshore hosting
agalt
2016-10-03 13:56
yep, but it was all hype
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:56
Because of my tendency of doing alternate things
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:56
But, awful
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:56
I would not recommend them
agalt
2016-10-03 13:56
:slightly_smiling_face: think that goes for many of us here
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:56
I saw many good reviews on thise guys
agalt
2016-10-03 13:57
switched one site to digital ocean because it required more hands on stuff
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:57
Sure
agalt
2016-10-03 13:57
the other will go to flywheel or something else
maxsuur
2016-10-03 13:59
Cool
maxsuur
2016-10-03 14:00
Tell us your experience with your new hosting providers later on
jase
2016-10-03 14:50
Flywheel I support. I do believe you can get better performance elsewhere, but their hosting is the most reliable I have ever had. My other sites are on a small orange and their support is woeful.
jase
2016-10-03 14:50
I am firmly in the camp of "pay more for quality" nowadays - cheap/quality hosting providers never last.
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 14:55
flywheel looks nice
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 14:55
but seems for designer/agencies?
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 14:56
how does it compare to synthesis? Last time I checked they're up thre with wp engine, but synthesis cheaper
jase
2016-10-03 15:02
not at all for designers/agencies
jase
2016-10-03 15:02
though it is good for client handover
jase
2016-10-03 15:03
i haven't used synthesis
agalt
2016-10-03 17:24
Threw something together in 4 hours with elementor page builder. It isnt sexy but it works and the site takes payments so im happy. Ill put up a link to the download and templates set. The service i do isnt about looking sexy, functions come first. Perhaps it is an intj Myers brigs thing. :neutral_face:
jase
2016-10-03 18:56
what are you selling @agalt ?
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 19:06
flywheel 350$/month they just quoted me, for 800k sessions a month (we actually have 1000K sessions). Synthesis is 400$ per quarter
kl5340dc
2016-10-03 19:06
flywheel looks nice but fuck it's triple the price
agalt
2016-10-03 19:11
i sell concierge packages when you land in a new city: flat prices include different levels of service. When you land there will be a local waiting for you at the airport with, water, coffee or tea, gas water, an alcoholic beverage if you wish, local currency, a local sim card, restaurant and cafe recommendations, a tour of the city, a taxi ride back from the airport to your hotel, and other ala-cart services that will be added soon. I really like people, and want to help others be in comfortable when they land by plane, bus, or train in a new place.
agalt
2016-10-03 19:13
the site is a work in progress, but the delivery has been executed successfully already. It is a small venture so far.
jase
2016-10-03 19:47
Interesting. Cool product man!
agalt
2016-10-03 19:51
Thank you. Just starting out/ crossing my fingers. What type of business do you do @jase
jase
2016-10-03 19:52
Mostly digital marketing. Currently building an agency. Not specialised yet but working towards specialising in digital marketing for independent hotels and resorts @agalt
agalt
2016-10-03 19:53
sweet!
jase
2016-10-03 19:54
But with that said I am also selling cycling products on Amazon and teaming up with a manufacturer in China I have known for some time so we can sell better products for higher margins. The goal to be a huge name in the cycling industry and be sold in stores and on all sales channels online.
jase
2016-10-03 19:54
Then a side project with a friend for a SaaS product which is a direct need for my agency, but it may be too much of a distraction, I don't know.
agalt
2016-10-03 19:55
awesome. Dad and I just got back from a cycling trip in Wales. He is a nut about it. Hes 57 and rides 30-35 miles a day
jase
2016-10-03 19:55
Good on him!
jase
2016-10-03 19:56
My mum rode from Sydney to Melbourne to Adelaide a few years back.
agalt
2016-10-03 19:57
Thants awesome about your mom! i buy him bike jersey's when I travel for fun. Got him a Nevis one, that he was wearing constantly in wales. It was kind of funny because he didn't realize the significance of a nevis IBC. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make them drink it.
agalt
2016-10-03 19:59
sounds like your second hobby is a a business. thats not a bad thing.
jase
2016-10-03 20:01
Yeah we will see. Passive or at least semi passive income is a huge goal. I find it hard to say no to ideas.
jase
2016-10-03 20:02
The saas project is probably the one I am most likely to bail on, mainly because I can't see my partner putting massive effort into it.
jase
2016-10-03 20:02
Whereas my partner from China will work 100 hour weeks if he has to.
jase
2016-10-03 20:03
And e-commerce is fairly easy. At least it is for my brain (also INTJ)
jase
2016-10-03 20:06
Where are you based @agalt ?
maxsuur
2016-10-03 22:46
Lots of intjs here
maxsuur
2016-10-03 22:47
Simon is intp
maxsuur
2016-10-03 22:47
And I am an Entp
maxsuur
2016-10-03 22:47
The rationals-analyst type
rupyb
2016-10-03 23:45
Im ENTJ
rupyb
2016-10-03 23:45
Quite an NT party up in here :smile:
maxsuur
2016-10-04 00:06
Haha. Gary Vaynerchuk is entj too
maxsuur
2016-10-04 00:06
That guy is friggin relentless
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 08:25
intj too
jase
2016-10-04 13:00
Anyone know Michael Rosmer?
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:04
I had calls with him twice
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:04
he seems knowledgable
jase
2016-10-04 13:05
Seems to know his stuff. Word is he was the one anonymously abusing Streber over the lost forum data lol
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:05
heh
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:05
lost all the backlinks to his site:)
jase
2016-10-04 13:06
Hahah too true
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:06
he seems a little weird on the phone. something about those tax lawyers, none of them can be trusted 100% it seems!
jase
2016-10-04 13:06
So true. Same with residency agents.
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:06
nothing bad out of my conversation with him,he was helpful, just a weird vibe, can't explain
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:07
You're in andorra, right?
jase
2016-10-04 13:07
I guess it comes with the industry. "If you are poor, we can save you 5k a year in taxes... Don't ever do anything illegal. If you are wealthy sure we can hide your 1bn"
jase
2016-10-04 13:07
Yeah
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:09
yeah, industry acts as filter :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:09
how do you like andorra?
jase
2016-10-04 13:10
I mostly love it
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:10
I'm in bulgaria - great for taxes here, internet really good/fast, everything cheap, sunny summer, but small language to invest in learning it, food not that good quality, winter's coming
jase
2016-10-04 13:10
There are a heap of stupid admin things that I need to finish off
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:10
company registered in andorra or abroad?
jase
2016-10-04 13:10
Both
jase
2016-10-04 13:11
Can't get an effing account for my Andorra company though
jase
2016-10-04 13:11
The banks here are insane after one got done for money laundering
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:12
taxedonforeign income?
jase
2016-10-04 13:13
yep
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:14
got link with more info?
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:14
ah, you said yes
kl5340dc
2016-10-04 13:14
:slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-10-04 13:40
quick update on georgia stuff: they dont tax income on exported software sales
agalt
2016-10-04 13:43
tldr: don't sell to georgians and no taxes on software sales for you. There is a big Isralie investment project in a technology center here recently. A friend who does software development here mentioned he sees georgia where Ukraine was 5 years ago.
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:52
@agalt Is that a good thing? Was Ukraine a good place to do business? (genuinely asking as I have no knowledge about Ukraine)
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:52
So you think Georgia is a good place for banking + business? I've been hearing its good
agalt
2016-10-04 14:52
it was until america started stirring stuff up
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:53
Haha a usual story
agalt
2016-10-04 14:53
Georgia is good for me because things work for business, banking, and daily life for a reasonable price
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:53
Whats your view on Latvian banks, they seem very popular these days?
agalt
2016-10-04 14:53
It works for me but may not work on others.
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:53
Oh, you live in Georgia?
agalt
2016-10-04 14:53
sitting in Tbilisi, right now
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:54
Amazing! What a diverse group we have here haha
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:54
And banking is easy there?
agalt
2016-10-04 14:54
im a resident here but as many of us do, I travel frequently
agalt
2016-10-04 14:54
super easy
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:54
How awesome
agalt
2016-10-04 14:55
online banking, offshore company banking, personal banking, merchant accounts,
agalt
2016-10-04 14:55
not a lot of questions, just bring your passport. no proof of residency in any country needed
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:56
What a breath of fresh air! Banking these days in most places is such a headache
agalt
2016-10-04 14:56
then you can have your documents sent to a po box in another country and emailed to you via a service
agalt
2016-10-04 14:56
fly here from sofia bulgaria for 40 euros
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:56
Is Georgia considered part of the EEA though? We do a lot of wire transfers around Europe, and i know you get cheaper rates for other banks that are in the EEA right?
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:56
What do you usually pay if you want to do wire transfers to say Slovenia, Poland, etc... ?
agalt
2016-10-04 14:57
they are not eea that i know of
agalt
2016-10-04 14:57
honestly, i send small ammounts from paypal and skrill
agalt
2016-10-04 14:57
did a wire transfer to HK and it was not expensive from tbc bank
agalt
2016-10-04 14:57
you can get residency here easily also
agalt
2016-10-04 14:58
see for yourself though. come here and spend a week. it is easy to get stuff done and very cheap to live
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:58
And its a nice place to live?
agalt
2016-10-04 14:58
I like it
agalt
2016-10-04 14:58
it is like a mix of zagreb and belgrade
rupyb
2016-10-04 14:58
Cool, I'm going to look it up a bit, thanks
agalt
2016-10-04 15:00
Glad to see your looking into it. It works for me but it may not work for another person. the metro here costs half a lari and the 1 euro = 2.5 lari
agalt
2016-10-04 15:00
you can live on 20 euros a day very easily including housing
agalt
2016-10-04 15:00
apartments are 250-300 euros a month
agalt
2016-10-04 15:02
you can rent a room in an apartment for 50 euros a month if necessary
rupyb
2016-10-04 15:20
Wow
agalt
2016-10-04 15:33
it is a very reasonable country when you consider the prices and quality of life along with the banking + company structure available. Some things are simply broken sometimes, but if you pay a little more you can live near western standards if you wish.
agalt
2016-10-04 15:34
montenegro is also very reasonable with prices if you prefer a different cultural flavor.
rupyb
2016-10-04 15:37
Interesting, thx for the info!
maxsuur
2016-10-04 17:52
Given the diversity of this group, I was wondering which languages you guys speak
maxsuur
2016-10-04 17:52
Apart from English
agalt
2016-10-04 17:54
Any other foodies fans here? It would be cool if there was a food section. Have a feeling that many of us enjoy the food on the road. Instagram food pic links. Just an idea.
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:29
nice inputs @agalt ...if Georgia wasn't half way across the world from me..it would be nice to visit and explore possibilities...you mentioned easy residency...how about for citizenship? Are they like Paraguay where you can apply, get residency, leave then come back every now and then, then after a few years apply for naturalization?
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:30
saw the names Streber and Michael Rosmer...wow..I miss that forum...a lot of very good information...
agalt
2016-10-04 19:31
residency permit took me 2 weeks. you can apply for citizenship in 6 months through a special program where you pay 200 dollars extra. You have to explain to the goverment how you being a citizen will help them. It is a fairly easy process.
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:32
Citizenship in 6 months? woah.
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:32
Caribbean level...but at poor mans price?
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:32
That is amazing. But as far as I now Georgia is not a territorial taxation country
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:33
But I guess you have to live there for all those 6 months I suppose...when do they count you as a tax resident?
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:33
How often do you have to be there to be counted as a tax resident?
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:34
I know Paraguay it is once every 2-3 years
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:35
Here's some info from Deloitte .. https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/ge/Documents/tax/Guide%20to%20Taxation%20and%20Investment%20in%20Georgia%202016.pdf
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:36
Nice
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:45
It seems that you either need to be in the high networt bracket or spend at least 183 days in the country every calendar year
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:46
Probably better to have a paraguaian residency and hop around
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:50
yup..looks like it..interesting though what @agalt said...if you can be a citizen in 6 months..by not selling an arm and a leg or a whole torso...Georgia is applying for EU visa-waiver..read some article on that somewhere..if approved..Georgian passports could be ok once they get that EU approval..
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:52
Yes. For me it'd some kind of insurance policy
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:52
I am already an european national
agalt
2016-10-04 19:52
its a very relaxed process especially if you are from the states or a western european country
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:53
But it could be beneficial to open international bank accounts and companies
agalt
2016-10-04 19:53
also this. they opened an account for a nevis ibc without blinking an eye
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:54
That is awesome
agalt
2016-10-04 19:54
tbc bank is what i went with
agalt
2016-10-04 19:55
then they don't really care how you use the money in the account so um do as you wish with it :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-10-04 19:55
5.5% interest on checking account deposits last time i checked
agalt
2016-10-04 19:55
and you can fly into georgia with a european id card (no passport needed)
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:56
That is quite an interest!
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:56
They are definitely making it easy for europeans to step in there
agalt
2016-10-04 19:57
i watched a girl from portugal in the line in front of me talk with the immigration people for a couple minutes and they finally let her in.
agalt
2016-10-04 19:57
you can get in from turkey by bus as well which is nice
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:58
Yess
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:58
I checked flights from@Bulgaria
agalt
2016-10-04 19:58
the goverment just want's your money. they run it like a business
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:58
They were extremely affordable
agalt
2016-10-04 19:58
40 euros was what my gf in sofia paid
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:58
Good price
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:58
Lowest price 10 eur
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:59
Which is almost nothing
agalt
2016-10-04 19:59
holy cow? 10 eur?
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:59
The same I paid for a beer in Switzerland
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:59
amazing!
maxsuur
2016-10-04 19:59
Yes!
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:59
found the article on EU visa-waiver.. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-eu-visas-idUSKCN11B23L
agalt
2016-10-04 19:59
georgian passports have visa on arrivial now with russia if im not mistaken
stoplight
2016-10-04 19:59
damn..
agalt
2016-10-04 20:00
the eu didn't let them have visa on arrivial so russia opened up. let me double check
agalt
2016-10-04 20:01
wait no, think im wrong
maxsuur
2016-10-04 20:03
Interesting. Georgia is coming closer to the EU
agalt
2016-10-04 20:04
here is the visa info for russia https://russia.visahq.com/requirements/Georgia/?js_widget_requirements_link
jase
2016-10-05 08:43
5.5% return on GEL with TBC... shame the GEL has lost so much value in the last decade
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 09:32
Flywheel quoted me 350/month for 1 million unique a month
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 09:32
I responded they were crazy expensive compared to what I was paying now with synthesis
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 09:33
they counter-offered 250$/month now
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 09:33
worth negotiating
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 09:34
don't think I'm going with it at the moment, but if I did would probably try to get it down further with quarter/6 months/annual payment
jase
2016-10-05 12:15
no shit. nice one. I don't know if they are set up for a site of your size. Seems you aren't their target market. I thought with your size site you'd be going dedicated?
kim
2016-10-05 12:50
Hey @kl5340dc they?re probably giving you a high price because they don?t know your average page size. 1 million unique visitors could be hitting a 2mb page or a 300kb page. If you can give them your monthly bandwidth usage maybe they will lower the price for you. Hope that helps. :wink:
kim
2016-10-05 12:55
btw i?m not an expert so someone correct me if I said something wrong
agalt
2016-10-05 14:04
Term Deposit - TBC Bank http://www.tbcbank.ge/web/en/term-deposit2 (Share from CM Browser)
agalt
2016-10-05 14:05
Status Banking - TBC Bank http://www.tbcbank.ge/web/en/web/guest/tbc-status (Share from CM Browser)
simon
2016-10-05 14:15
@jase Do you have experience with the big cloud hosting companies? (Azure, Amazon etc) They offer website hosting plans and their prices are very attractive.
jase
2016-10-05 14:17
I used to do a lot of work for resellers of these services. I also used to be a sysadmin... really, my opinion is that SMBs shouldn't be using these services. The only scenario where it makes sense for you to use digital ocean/AWS/etc is for instance like some of the guys in here that are technical people and also internet marketers.. they are getting massive amounts of traffic but they also need to keep overheads low.
jase
2016-10-05 14:18
SMB owners end up spending so much time maintaining these systems/their sites when for a small amount (eg: flywheel - $50mo or so) they can outsource the hassle.
jase
2016-10-05 14:18
But then, I'm kind of obsessed by the question "what is my time worth?" right now :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:34
@kim good tip!
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:35
@simon used amazon s3 for email for a bit, as well as amazon aws. Cheap, reliable but complicated to setup. With parse shutting down we had to switch to different back end and we're hesitating to go with amazon aws. Decided to go with firebase instead to avoid needing a dedicated back-end engineer for maintenace
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:48
looks nice
jase
2016-10-05 14:48
That's kind of my beef with these services though - sure, it makes setting up easier... but if you don't have the time/knowledge to install everything yourself, how are you going to fix it when it fails?
jase
2016-10-05 14:49
Maybe I'm too much of a cynic :stuck_out_tongue:
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:49
it saves money here but ends up costing more there
jase
2016-10-05 14:49
Yeah exactly
jase
2016-10-05 14:49
And of course, tech people cost more when your system is down and you need it fixed yesterday
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:49
right
jase
2016-10-05 14:50
Or you lose a bunch of data because backups haven't been running for 9 months :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:50
or you have to stop them doing what they're working on to fix something with the backend
jase
2016-10-05 14:50
yep
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:51
Parse screwed us royally by shutting down
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:51
Months of work to integrate with parse
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:51
the week after we were done they announce they shutdown
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:51
mofo's
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 14:52
amazon too much work, choose firebase, but firebase owned by google, hoping they don't shut it down at oine point:)
jase
2016-10-05 15:03
Oh damn that's a shame.
jase
2016-10-05 15:03
Yeah it's funny, Google can't decide what they are doing with cloud IMO
jase
2016-10-05 15:04
Even their speed optimization service, I've forgotten what that was called.. shut that down too
simon
2016-10-05 15:07
Google is a ship without a captain. They are one of the largest companies in the world yet constantly change direction and they seem to run into a perpetual beta state. Have you seen the phones they announced yesterday? To replace the Nexus line. Let's just say that if it's the best they can come up with, it doesn't inspire confidence.
jase
2016-10-05 15:09
:disappointed: haven't seen it yet.
jase
2016-10-05 15:10
I'm still waiting for Google Fi to:
1. be eligible for Google Apps users
2. roam to Andorra
:slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-10-05 15:18
Anyone played around with populating Google Sheets using different data sources? I'd love to be able to enter a website URL then get scores such as pagespeed, YSlow, Instagram followers, Facebook page likes... Beginning to think Excel might be better for this.
simon
2016-10-05 15:48
For those who were not watching, Blue Origin has just landed successfully their 5th rocket after a crew escape test, 2 minutes ago in Texas. A major milestone for space exploration :)
agalt
2016-10-05 17:18
Not a big fan of Google, its like sleeping with a hot chick and wondering if you will find out later that you got some hybrid std that replicated with 2 dormant stds that were undetectable.
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 17:20
hihi
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 17:20
you sound experienced )
agalt
2016-10-05 17:25
Not too much :) they push these updates out and its always a question of what information they are selling that they have on you to marketing firms to give you a better "user experience"
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 17:28
they can be creepy
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 17:29
youtube recommendation engine for example, I've discovered cool stuff through it but sometimes it's creepy
jase
2016-10-05 17:32
Hey hey hey, I make money from that creepiness :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-10-05 17:38
So you have warm feelings fir thise of us that use vpns, ghostery, and addblock on linux machines with occasional faked broser identifiers?
simon
2016-10-05 17:41
To be honest I don't get the online privacy thing. I'm absolutely fine with Google using my search and browsing data to improve their service and target me with ads. What I do not want them to know, I simply do not put online.
simon
2016-10-05 17:43
If I was someone working with highly sensitive data I'd probably worry more but my day to day browsing history simply isn't worth protecting at all cost
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 17:44
I didn't get it either, until I read this book: https://www.amazon.com/No-Place-Hide-Snowden-Surveillance-ebook/dp/B00E0CZX0G/
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 17:44
The thinking is that they can collect so much data about where you are, what you buy, etc that if one day they want to use it, they will
kl5340dc
2016-10-05 17:45
Ther's a bit too much paranoia around it I think,but there's valid points there too
agalt
2016-10-05 17:48
its a simple standpoint of not liking what google does with information and peacefully choosing not to participate. Its more of a way to check out of the digital human farm than being big enough for them to care about.
agalt
2016-10-05 17:50
its either dont participate or flood them with so much useless data that they collect useless data and it throws off their algorithms
agalt
2016-10-05 17:59
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F2KQ8B726/p_20161005_185018.jpg and commented: The old party that used to be in power is still campaigning. The old president went to Ukraine and is not allowed back in. It is entertaining to see elections in other countries.
jase
2016-10-05 18:14
@agalt I'm more paranoid than most. But I'm also with @simon - if you want it to stay private, keep it offline. Plus I search for so much random stuff for work (keyword research) they'd probably think I have malware all through my machine
agalt
2016-10-05 18:29
@jase agreed regarding keeping stuff offline. that and simply keep it in your head and not on a computer. moleskin notepads are great for short plane flights in my experience for business stuff
jase
2016-10-05 18:31
I keep a lot online now and I use Google wherever it makes my life easier. I used to go the hard way but it's only now I realize I was sacrificing money for perceived safety. I'd trust Google/Apple with my data than some small time web host now.
jase
2016-10-05 18:32
When I have my money I'll check out to an undisclosed location with no internet :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-10-05 18:33
you can rent a garrage in sofia bulgaria with 50 euros that has electricity and internet
agalt
2016-10-05 18:33
can pay it in cash if you ask nicely
agalt
2016-10-05 18:33
then you put your computers in there for a personal machine and rent it under a gypsy's name
agalt
2016-10-05 18:34
65 meg fiber internet is 10 euros a month
simon
2016-10-05 18:34
@jase The best place if you want to get away from it all: http://www.immigration.gov.pn/immigrate/index.html
simon
2016-10-05 18:35
hehe
jase
2016-10-05 18:35
I know where, I just need around $20m to buy it :wink:
jase
2016-10-05 18:35
boat/helicopter/hiking access only
jase
2016-10-05 18:35
Pipe dreams! hahaa
simon
2016-10-05 18:39
Dreams do come true :wink: Personally mine is a nice sailboat. I'll anchor it in remote atolls and I'll be diving every day, enjoying life. I just have to wait for Iridium to launch their next gen constellation.
agalt
2016-10-05 18:40
im not opposed to the cloud, its just using google that I have a problem with. Spideroak one fills my needs for online backup. jotta cloud out of norway works for mobile devices, and evernote does the stuff that i write during the day, and backs it up automatically
simon
2016-10-05 18:42
The new constellation will deliver up to 8mbps, anywhere in the world. Using two antenna, it'll be possible to get work done in the middle of the ocean without any problem. Currently speed is a deal breaker hence the wait.
agalt
2016-10-05 18:42
dreams do come true indeed. 4 years ago about this time of the year mom kicked me out of the house, told me not to come back, and i lived out of a car for 2 months. life does get better, but it takes busting your b*lls to get there some days
agalt
2016-10-05 18:43
8mbps is enough :slightly_smiling_face:
simon
2016-10-05 18:46
It's not fast by broadband standard but it's plenty enough for what I do. Currently you can get this kind of speed using a KVH antenna but the cost is prohibitive. If you want a good laugh, http://www.kvh.com/~/media/Site%20Documents/Airtime%20Rates%20Fees/mini%20VSAT%20Broadband/V11IP%20Rate%20Sheets/TracPhone%20V11IP%20V11%20Rate%20Sheet%200916.pdf
simon
2016-10-05 18:46
And yes, the 150GB plan costs 14999 USD :stuck_out_tongue:
agalt
2016-10-05 18:48
its satellite.... it is going to be expensive -shrug-
simon
2016-10-05 18:49
It currently is expensive but with the next gen constellation, it'll be 159 USD for unlimited access. A massive difference.
agalt
2016-10-05 18:49
thats not a bad deal monthly to be honest
simon
2016-10-05 18:51
It will be a game changer for nomads. All those "middle of nowhere" destinations will now become possible. You want to work from a small deserted island, no problem. You want to work from cruise ships, no problem. You want to work from a cabin in the middle of the Siberian tundra, no problem.
jase
2016-10-05 18:52
That sounds like a quality dream @simon. I told my wife we should get a yacht and sail to Montenegro each year
agalt
2016-10-05 18:53
montenegro built a new dock for yachts recently that is quite large
jase
2016-10-05 18:53
I've had trouble "escaping" the last few years. Now I crave being disconnected. Hopefully will be more of a reality at the end of next year.
agalt
2016-10-05 18:54
it is an amazing place. waterfront properties are still "reasonable" there as well
jase
2016-10-05 18:54
I did a heap of hiking in the New Zealand mountains a few years ago. 4-7 days without electricity, all self sufficient (carrying everything). It was awesome for the brain!
simon
2016-10-05 18:55
@jase Automation and having competent people to handle things while you are off the grid is key.
jase
2016-10-05 18:55
This one has been on the market for some time now. I'm keen to get over there and check it out: http://www.ntrealty.me/index.php/en/properties/property/128/muo-2-bedroom-apartment-in-stone-house-with-terrace-and-views-to-kotor-old-town-for-sale
jase
2016-10-05 18:56
@simon agreed - I am building a business to make myself redundant right now.
simon
2016-10-05 18:56
@jase Nice, and very cheap! Lots of potential to improve the place and resell for a profit if you are the DIY type.
jase
2016-10-05 18:57
@simon there is much cheaper around the place, but proximity to Kotor is a good idea IMO
agalt
2016-10-05 18:57
good info on here about montenegro properties https://www.facebook.com/nekretnina.me/?fref=ts
jase
2016-10-05 18:58
It's around a 10 minute walk to the old town = tourist stuff
jase
2016-10-05 18:58
Thanks @agalt
agalt
2016-10-05 18:58
(disclaimer) lawyer friend runs the page, but is very well connected if you want a company setup there, or are interested in starting a NGO
agalt
2016-10-05 18:59
she is honorable and fair which is refreshing in the offshore world
simon
2016-10-05 19:00
I'm not used to seeing prices like that, I usually consider anything below half a million to be a bargain (or a dump in places like HK, SH etc) :stuck_out_tongue:
agalt
2016-10-05 19:00
LOL
agalt
2016-10-05 19:01
many good deals to be had there. I'd fly down and have dinner with her and talk. You might learn some more interesting things over a glass of wine
jase
2016-10-05 19:01
Yeah same. Montenegro is a crapshoot though - could go very well or the other way. I'd like to remain optimistic but...... who knows!
jase
2016-10-05 19:02
Lots of tourism happening there, they may end up in the EU soon enough
agalt
2016-10-05 19:02
they are trying to join the eu, but they are so currupt, so who knows what will happen
jase
2016-10-05 19:02
Yeah exactly
agalt
2016-10-05 19:02
its an act for them to "play nice" while they attempt to join the eu
agalt
2016-10-05 19:03
it is similar to living in sofia bulgaria for almost 3 months. they are an eu country, but it is "balkan business as usual"
agalt
2016-10-05 19:04
residency permits are a couple weeks of running around, forms, and 800 euros in legal fees
simon
2016-10-05 19:05
What I'm worried about is quality. I've always struggled to find quality food, services etc in eastern Europe. I might score a great bargain with the waterfront property but I know I won't enjoy living there if I can't have a decent meal, a good night out etc. If it was in a big city I'd be less worried but these all seem to be small towns.
agalt
2016-10-05 19:06
quality does suffer sometimes, but if you stay near the top 20% of income earners areas, you don't notice many differences.
agalt
2016-10-05 19:07
but then again, we all have different standards. St. louis was kind of gritty growing up
jase
2016-10-05 19:08
Agreed @simon. I think they're the sort of places you go to stay on the coast, drink good wine, good coffee, fresh bread and olives for a week or two..
jase
2016-10-05 19:08
Obviously can make it work though and like agalt says if you're in the expat areas there's always quality available.
jase
2016-10-05 19:09
Sometimes it defeats the purpose though!
jase
2016-10-05 19:09
Quality meal in Panama was over twice what I used to pay in Vancouver!
simon
2016-10-05 19:13
With the current exchange rate, there are some fantastic bargains to be had in Canada if you earn in USD. In the UK too!
jase
2016-10-05 19:13
Agreed
jase
2016-10-05 19:13
Anyways, time to switch off. Talk again soon
jase
2016-10-06 08:20
Anyone have experience/opinions on sweat equity from the perspective of the earner. In this case it would be my agency earning equity in exchange for services.
kl5340dc
2016-10-06 09:18
@agalt do you know tax advisor in Bulgaria? specialized in international tax with foreign entities etc
josh
2016-10-06 09:29
Interesting conversation it's I always seem to miss them.
@jase sweat equity partnerships should have vesting benchmarks over time otherwise that's a straightforward road to resentment in my experience. Especially never go 50 / 50 with partners. Also depends on the purpose - is the equity going to pay off in short order with an exit, or is it just ownership in the company for dividend payouts?
To me it seems like that ad in airline magazines, you don't get what you're worth, you get what you negotiate. i.e. totally arbitrary.
jase
2016-10-06 09:30
@josh thanks for the feedback. I have a heap to learn with partnerships and actually I think in future I'd prefer to go 3 ways - there is never any ties.
jase
2016-10-06 09:30
So if 2 cofounders are starting up, you think they should still have vesting benchmarks/
josh
2016-10-06 09:33
I'd have vesting shares in a deal with my mom! Spell it all out, incentivize, but everyone should earn it. It gets muddier too when one party is bringing the funds but doing no work, and the other doing the work. Personally I'm not a fan of partnerships but that's likely a personality flaw haha.
jase
2016-10-06 09:42
Sorry, was on a call. Yeah - tricky stuff for sure. I was always like you but I'm coming around to it now
jase
2016-10-06 09:43
My core business has me at the top but these new opportunities involve others.
josh
2016-10-06 09:44
It's great if everyone is dedicated. Maybe I've just gotten old so now everyone I know has different priorities.
jase
2016-10-06 09:44
Yeah, I fully understand that. It's actually my biggest concern with the SaaS project. I think my partner wants the DN dream of "big money" (100k) and life at the beach
jase
2016-10-06 09:45
I want to sell for a few million at least!
josh
2016-10-06 09:45
If both / all partners are really determined and dedicated and willing to work though then it can be exponentially more powerful than going at it alone, because you can maximize everyone's strengths. Just seems really difficult to find that. In my experience and from observation.
josh
2016-10-06 09:45
Yeah both have to be on the same page for the goal for sure
jase
2016-10-06 09:46
For sure, it's been my friend's challenge too. Has been in multiple ventures with others, the last one was a doctors clinic and he was 1/5 that was dedicated
jase
2016-10-06 09:46
The rest had money and couldn't be bothered
josh
2016-10-06 09:47
Ouch. Been there. That sucks. I know exactly how that is. It's like they want it to happen, but, meh, they're already comfortable so getting the actual work done rather than just talking about it...
josh
2016-10-06 09:48
The people I respect the most are those with money but who work like they're broke because they want to maximize every bit of their life.
jase
2016-10-06 09:49
...that's my friend from Canada. Close to retirement age, I'd hate to think how wealthy she is and still working 80 hours a week to finish her latest project
josh
2016-10-06 09:49
Balance is good but if you are going to start a project be all in or go sit in the beach and smoke Cuban cigars. No judgement either way but pick one
josh
2016-10-06 09:49
That's awesome
jase
2016-10-06 09:49
Yeah agreed
josh
2016-10-06 09:49
That looks sweet!
jase
2016-10-06 09:50
Yeah, they motivated me to get earning so I can become an accredited investor
josh
2016-10-06 09:53
That's great motivation - so much more opens up. Been surrounded by that world the past year and it has been eye-opening. Also motivating.
jase
2016-10-06 09:53
Awesome - agreed.
jase
2016-10-06 09:54
Where are you located again? I need to start taking notes in this Slack :joy:
josh
2016-10-06 09:55
Based in Phnom Penh. In Laos for the next week.
josh
2016-10-06 09:56
Have you heard of the title iii jobs act?
josh
2016-10-06 09:56
It's for non-accredited investors
jase
2016-10-06 09:56
Just having a quick read now
josh
2016-10-06 09:56
I think it might only be in the us though
jase
2016-10-06 09:56
Yeah
josh
2016-10-06 09:57
Being accredited opens up so many more opportunities
jase
2016-10-06 09:57
Ironically I don't think I could do software startup funding. I've consulted for a few businesses and the money they spend, it is insane.
josh
2016-10-06 09:57
Right!
jase
2016-10-06 09:57
I'm more interested in infrastructure
josh
2016-10-06 09:57
It's nuts!
jase
2016-10-06 09:57
I mean, it's awesome from a consulting point of view haha
josh
2016-10-06 09:57
The money they burn through blows my mind.
josh
2016-10-06 09:58
Yeah easy money if you are on their contractor list haha
josh
2016-10-06 09:58
I have questioned that many times in recent months
josh
2016-10-06 10:00
I understand the need to pay the best engineers good money (although now there are companies killing it hiring engineers from Colombia and Venezuela) but coming from a bootstrapping background the rest of what they spend seems obscene
jase
2016-10-06 10:01
I guess I see it from both sides - the time spent trying to find a diamond in the rough is worth a lot to them.. so go and hire the best tomorrow
jase
2016-10-06 10:02
Same with advertising - you can do a bunch of backlinking, writing blog posts yourself, posting on reddit/etc
jase
2016-10-06 10:02
Or just use AdWords/Facebook to get off the ground
jase
2016-10-06 10:02
But often they just chuck fistfulls of cash.. I think there's a good mid-range
josh
2016-10-06 10:02
But do the founders really need to immediately be making 6 figures? Do they really immediately need a fancy office? Do they really need to fly business class and stay in 5 star hotels? Make some money first, then maybe you won't have to go raise more money so quickly...
jase
2016-10-06 10:03
I'm with you there
jase
2016-10-06 10:03
I work from home, keep most of the cash in the company, stay in hostels and cheap hotels and fly economy :joy:
josh
2016-10-06 10:04
The richest guy I personally know flies economy. Stays at the Four Seasons, but flies economy haha
jase
2016-10-06 10:05
I had a moment of realization when meeting a bunch of school friends for a wedding recently. I was the only one that flew economy.. fairly confident I'm say top 3 earner now, maybe the top.
jase
2016-10-06 10:05
They all flew business.. and that's when I realized I don't think it's as big of a deal as it once was!
josh
2016-10-06 10:08
I think a lot of things are like that. Nothing wrong with enjoying it if you've got it. But for me when someone invests in your company, to spend it that way seems questionable. If you have a 12 hour flight and a meeting as soon as you land ok I get it. But I've seen execs blow half a million in a year flying their families around etc. unethical imho
jase
2016-10-06 10:09
Maybe it's just something we don't understand yet :slightly_smiling_face:
josh
2016-10-06 10:09
Haha maybe. But I've seen execs get removed for burning up too much too quickly, so I don't think so. :wink:
jase
2016-10-06 10:10
I read a post on /r/entrepreneur a while back about a guy in the UK that had his business fold
jase
2016-10-06 10:11
Said he had a great couple of years, he had a Porsche 911, his wife a Cayenne, business class everywhere, high end dinners every night
jase
2016-10-06 10:11
Then they got their accounting done.......... oops!
jase
2016-10-06 10:11
He didn't even have VC from memory
jase
2016-10-06 10:11
Madness
josh
2016-10-06 10:13
Oh man. Honestly I think having it and blowing it all would be the worst fate possible. Pro athlete "Broke" for example.
jase
2016-10-06 10:14
Agreed
jase
2016-10-06 10:14
It's why I still drive a VW Golf >.<
josh
2016-10-06 10:17
I ride a mt bike in Phnom Penh. Most efficient transport as traffic is insane. When I move to an actually drivable city though I will get a vehicle again
josh
2016-10-06 10:17
Moto or bike is sufficient and way more fun in PP
josh
2016-10-06 10:17
And no more paying bribes to the cops every day
jase
2016-10-06 10:18
hahahah
jase
2016-10-06 10:18
Yeah I miss commuting on a bike sometimes - used to do it a lot when I worked a 9-5
jase
2016-10-06 10:18
But now I enjoy not working a 9-5 :slightly_smiling_face:
josh
2016-10-06 10:18
Haha yeah - thanks technology!
jase
2016-10-06 10:19
So true
josh
2016-10-06 10:20
I saw Simon commenting on satellite internet, that will be awesome. When I started out I was paying $350 a month in the jungle in Costa Rica to get poached Internet from Venezuela (supposedly)
josh
2016-10-06 10:21
It was less than 1mbps
jase
2016-10-06 10:22
Sounds like living in a city in Australia lol
josh
2016-10-06 10:22
Seriously?
jase
2016-10-06 10:22
It can be bad
josh
2016-10-06 10:22
I would think it'd be good there
jase
2016-10-06 10:22
It's a real mix
jase
2016-10-06 10:23
They were going to run fibre to exchanges across the whole country, then copper to each house
jase
2016-10-06 10:23
Some houses have cable
jase
2016-10-06 10:23
most have ADSL
josh
2016-10-06 10:23
So it's only on the big cities where it's good
jase
2016-10-06 10:23
Then a lot of the country is stuck with 128k ISDN
josh
2016-10-06 10:24
Noooo
josh
2016-10-06 10:24
Still?
josh
2016-10-06 10:24
How is that even functional for anything besides plain text email? Gmail wouldn't even load at that speed
jase
2016-10-06 10:24
I used to live around 15km from the CBD of a big city and the best I could get was ADSL2+.. but being around 7km from the exchange speeds were worse than 1500 ADSL
jase
2016-10-06 10:25
Yeah I mean it's basically a connection for getting important business tasks done.
jase
2016-10-06 10:25
It's a big country I guess. Massive project to get the right infrastructure everywhere
jase
2016-10-06 10:26
In the country most would be on satellite - it's heavily subsidised
josh
2016-10-06 10:27
Why don't they go the route of the developing world?
josh
2016-10-06 10:27
I get up to 10mb via LTE but can only get real 5mb for like $200 a month at home
jase
2016-10-06 10:28
It's political
josh
2016-10-06 10:28
Gaaaa of course
josh
2016-10-06 10:29
Seems like they could solve the issue fairly simply, people only really live in a few cities scattered around the edge I thought
josh
2016-10-06 10:30
Maybe they will figure it out once North Korea and Iran have faster internet for their proles. Iran might already, actually.
jase
2016-10-06 10:31
There are actually a lot of people living elsewhere, but the majority are along the coast
jase
2016-10-06 10:31
I find it amazing what other countries can achieve though
jase
2016-10-06 10:32
Even Canada was interesting - great speeds in Vancouver, but drive a few hours North and reliability/speed drops quickly
josh
2016-10-06 10:33
Yeah that's true. I guess when you take into account population per sq km it changes things compared to say SE Asia
josh
2016-10-06 10:34
Although much of Africa still seems to be figuring it out
jase
2016-10-06 10:35
Randomly enough, I put a job on slavelabour on reddit
jase
2016-10-06 10:35
Been getting a lot of messages from people in Kenya
jase
2016-10-06 10:35
Good English!
jase
2016-10-06 10:35
Better than the US people :joy:
josh
2016-10-06 10:35
Yes for sure. Had a friend that lived there for a while
josh
2016-10-06 10:36
lol wut u meen
josh
2016-10-06 10:36
What is slavelabor? I haven't heard of that
josh
2016-10-06 10:36
I've used Elance / now Upwork for years
jase
2016-10-06 10:37
Quality is average but it's good for VA type tasks
jase
2016-10-06 10:37
Main thing for me is how quick it is
jase
2016-10-06 10:37
Make a post, 2 minutes later there are 10 people asking to do it
josh
2016-10-06 10:38
How do you decide on who to hire?
jase
2016-10-06 10:38
Usually I start with "are they coherent"?
jase
2016-10-06 10:39
To be honest I tend to choose people that say they are from Eastern Europe/South America/somewhere developing because I'm paying them good money
jase
2016-10-06 10:40
Whereas if they are from US/Canada/Australia/Western Europe they are either a kid or a recently laid off Walmart employee
josh
2016-10-06 10:41
So true. I rarely hire from the US and it almost always turns out they get fired before the job is done.
jase
2016-10-06 10:41
Canada is my go-to if I need someone in North America
josh
2016-10-06 10:41
Eastern Europe has been the best on average for me
jase
2016-10-06 10:42
Can't say I've had any luck there yet
josh
2016-10-06 10:42
I've found different regions excel at different things
josh
2016-10-06 10:42
Eastern Europe and Russia for video editing or animation seems to work well
josh
2016-10-06 10:42
Philippines or India region for simple web
josh
2016-10-06 10:43
Random places have been good designers - Guatemala for example
jase
2016-10-06 10:43
Philippines I have had the experience that they are quite good.. but then just go offline for a week or two. No warning.
josh
2016-10-06 10:43
I will check out that reddit link thanks, see how it goes. You use paypal with them?
jase
2016-10-06 10:43
I thought it was just my people and I've since heard this from a heap of different people
jase
2016-10-06 10:43
Yeah PayPal
josh
2016-10-06 10:44
Yeah phillipines that happens because of internet problems I'm told
josh
2016-10-06 10:45
One guy I've worked with for like 15 years in the Philippines has tried to explain he's not flaky things just go down
josh
2016-10-06 10:45
Have to pay more attention to storms in the area etc now
jase
2016-10-06 10:45
That part is true. I know one guy that is reliable as hell. He has 3g for when it goes down
jase
2016-10-06 10:45
But some other people I work with, loads of excuses.
jase
2016-10-06 10:46
Anyway, it's a cultural thing - once you learn it, it's fine
josh
2016-10-06 10:47
Yeah exactly but it's enlightening to figure out the cultural norms related to work and excuses and priorities and keeping your word etc.
josh
2016-10-06 10:47
Which is why I don't hire los gringos
josh
2016-10-06 10:48
I would if I had a job that required a rural American over age 50
josh
2016-10-06 10:48
They can get er done.
josh
2016-10-06 10:49
But I rarely hire cowboys or farmers on upwork.
jase
2016-10-06 10:49
hhahahaha
jase
2016-10-06 10:50
ok Josh I need to stop procrastinating :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-10-06 10:50
Cheers for the chat
josh
2016-10-06 10:50
Haha no worries my flight got delayed so thanks for keeping me company
jase
2016-10-06 10:51
Hopefully not for too long. Catchya!
agalt
2016-10-06 15:27
@kl5340dc: personally, i don't know one but a friend who has been on the ground for the last 5 years in Bulgaria may be able to connect you with one. He will be in Georgia soon following @simon residency guide. It is 10% corporate income tax in Bulgaria + 5% dividends tax in Bulgaria if im not mistaken. Some have said that its easier to have an offshore Corp open a branch office there to avoid tge inefficient Bulgarian government getting in the way of your work.
agalt
2016-10-06 19:11
"EU states have agreed to grant Georgian nationals visa-free travel to the Schengen zone, once new safeguards are in place to suspend the deal in case of abuse.
"The council takes the view that the entry into force of visa liberalisation for Georgia should be at the same time as the entry into force of the new 'suspension mechanism'," they said in a statement on Wednesday (5 October).
The news comes ahead of parliamentary elections in Georgia on 8 October and could give a bump to pro-European parties in the poll." https://euobserver.com/justice/135372
kl5340dc
2016-10-07 09:10
@agalt yeah I'm aware of tax rates. Rosmer recommended setting up a local company here but I don't want to deal with all that overhead if there's a simpler way. Simplest is straight dividend from offshore company over here. But the 183 days rule in BG isinteresting - if not 183 days here + no vital interests here => then not tax resident here. Quite compelling to avoid any extra overhead
agalt
2016-10-07 16:28
Bulgaria has a lot of perks, many multinational companies have buildings in sofia. Georgia is changing their tax system soon also, hopefully for the better. Supposedly they are modeling it off of Estonia, but we will see how far they bend over and spread their cheeks for the eu. Im hoping for the best, but you can always sell company shares to a corporation in Montenegro or somewhere else from Georgia.
agalt
2016-10-07 16:32
Georgia also allows an offshore Corp to own a company here, so my travel site was founded and is directed by a corporation in an island country. If tgey do something dumb ill switch jurisdictions. Starts playing, "... One foot on the platform, the other on the train..." - house of the rising sun (song)
simon
2016-10-07 17:02
Georgia and Bulgaria are both interesting for personal residency but not to run businesses. They offer no tax advantage over jurisdictions like Hong Kong, US, UK, Canada etc, have poor international reputation and business banking is less than ideal (and poorly supported by the likes of Stripe).
simon
2016-10-07 17:03
A properly structured online business in Canada will pay 11% in taxes. Same in Ireland. In the US and UK, non resident corps pay no taxes at all.
simon
2016-10-07 17:05
And if you are going to run a business in a not-so-reputable jurisdiction you might as well choose one that has no taxes. Like the Cayman Islands or the BVI.
agalt
2016-10-07 18:01
Appreciated. Im here to pay taxes until i get citizenship then moving elsewhere fir business.
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:05
where are you from originally @agalt?
agalt
2016-10-07 18:06
USSA
agalt
2016-10-07 18:07
land of the fee, home of the slave
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:07
United Soviet States of America
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:07
land of the free
agalt
2016-10-07 18:07
:joy:
agalt
2016-10-07 18:09
"i lothe the, sweet land of tyranny, of the i sing..."
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:10
But you can bee fee-free!
agalt
2016-10-07 18:10
Lol
agalt
2016-10-07 18:12
Ill be georgian in 2 months, then marry the Bulgarian gf eventually, become Bulgarian, renounce, then work on a south American residency and citizenship.
agalt
2016-10-07 18:12
Where are you from @maxsuur
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:13
you are becoming a true citizen of the world
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:13
I am originally from Southern Spain
agalt
2016-10-07 18:13
That's not a bad passport
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:13
That's what they say
agalt
2016-10-07 18:14
Ill become Jewish also if it gets me another passport
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:14
hahaha
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:14
you are on "give me all of the passports" mode
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:14
and now religions
agalt
2016-10-07 18:15
Really like Israeli people. Quite a few are in Georgia running software conpanies that export software and dont pay taxes on profits
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:16
me too. I met several of them in playa del carmen (mexico), they were pretty laid-back people
agalt
2016-10-07 18:16
Escazu costabrica is popular among many as well
agalt
2016-10-07 18:17
*costa rica
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:17
I remember this 26 years-old guy having the time of his life. He said to me: "man, I just had a threesome yesterday night with these two canadian girls!" and we are all going down to belize now
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:17
life could not be better
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:17
and Honduras
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:17
all the hype nowadays
jase
2016-10-07 18:28
To confirm, the Canadian girls are in Costa Rica?
jase
2016-10-07 18:28
:joy:
agalt
2016-10-07 18:36
Lol
agalt
2016-10-07 18:37
Eastern European women are amazing, but pick your poison and get a prenup!
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:40
i lived in Romania for a year back in 2011
maxsuur
2016-10-07 18:41
Had a blast. Girls coming in every single day.
rik
2016-10-07 18:58
has joined #random-chat
kl5340dc
2016-10-07 19:10
Rosmer basically advised me to create a "consulting" company in BG that would bill the company in HK. This to get moneyz from HK to BG but only get taxedon the stuff inBG. Makes sense but unless absolutely necessary I prefer to not have to create another compnay which then adds accountancy and all other bs admin. Straight dividend from HK to my account is easier
kl5340dc
2016-10-07 19:11
I did notice BG has this nice rule of 183 days - if 183 days outside of country and BG not center of vital interests, then notconsidered tax resident
kl5340dc
2016-10-07 19:12
winter is harsh they say, and rent is quite cheap, residency easy to get (took me 1 day), so sounds like I could just keep BG as homebase, be out of the country 183 days a year, and not having to bother with any BS in BG itself
kl5340dc
2016-10-07 19:16
One thing I'm wondering about - BG has tax on worlwide personal income. Let's say you live whole year in BG, and take 30k dividend from offshore company, pay 5% tax on that, etc all good. If you then take an additional dividend out of HK company and put that in saving/investment account abroad - it seems like you'd have to pay the5% BG dividend tax as well as it falls under worldwide personal income - or not? If so, could this be avoided by creating a company that owns your investment/savings and gets the dividend?
simon
2016-10-07 20:07
If you are a Bulgarian tax resident, you will have to pay taxes in Bulgaria on your worldwide income.
simon
2016-10-07 20:07
Also, the personal income tax rate is a flat 10%.
simon
2016-10-07 20:08
Withholding taxes can be applied on top of that 10% depending on the origin of the funds (EU, non-EU, tax treaties)
simon
2016-10-07 20:09
@simon uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/simon/F2LSPKQJJ/bgtaxcodediv.png
simon
2016-10-07 20:10
Using a BG company to receive payments from HK would not be ideal as those payments could be considered taxable income in BG.
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 09:48
But if you take no personal income (no salary) but only take out a dividend - then it would seem you don't pay 10% but 5% tax. This guy who has a BG company here told me he doesn't take any salary out of his BG company but a dividend - this way avoids the 10% personal income tax and pays 5% dividend tax instead (also keeping his social security to the minimum as a result)
maxsuur
2016-10-08 13:14
@maxsuur uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/maxsuur/F2M23243U/slack_for_ios_upload.jpg
simon
2016-10-08 13:48
@kl5340dc Dividends from Bulgarian companies are indeed exempt from income tax. Dividends from HK are subject to income tax however. If the HK company pays your Bulgarian company a dividend, that dividend will be subject to Bulgarian corporate income tax. What I mean is that it doesn't matter whether you receive the money from HK or your Bulgarian company does, in both cases you have to pay Bulgarian income tax (either at the company or personal level).
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:08
No I get that
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:10
the most interesting scenario is to avoid setting up a BG company at all, and just receive a straight dividend in person from the HK company. It seems than this is then taxed at 5% on personal level as it falls under the 5% dividend rate vs 10% personal income rate. Or do you mean the rate is 10% when receiving a dividend as a person from a nonBG company?
simon
2016-10-08 14:11
The 10% income tax applies regardless as the company paying the dividend is non-EU.
simon
2016-10-08 14:12
Bulgarian companies receiving dividends from non-EU companies also have to pay income tax (also at 10%)
simon
2016-10-08 14:19
So if your HK company pays out a 100000$ dividend to your Bulgarian company, the Bulgarian company has to pay 10% income tax on it (minus expenses). To distribute what's left as a dividend to you, it then has to pay the 5% dividends withholding tax.
simon
2016-10-08 14:22
Using this example, if your company has no expenses you would get 85500$ after all taxes have been paid.
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:23
right
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:23
now how does it look without a BG company => HK company pays 100k dividend to me as a person that is tax resident in BG?
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:24
it's 5% of 100K here or 10% of 100k?
simon
2016-10-08 14:26
10% of 100k. It's simply considered part of your personal income.
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:26
ok makes sense
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:27
seems totally stupid then to create a BG compnay - not just because it's more tax but also all the overhead that it adds, makes no sense
jase
2016-10-08 14:29
asset protection maybe
simon
2016-10-08 14:29
Yeah it does seem pointless to me too.
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:30
well assets are protected in HK structure and
jase
2016-10-08 14:31
@simon do you know how to book long layovers on Singapore Airlines? I'm flying BCN>PER later in the year, but there's a conference I want to go to mid way. Years ago I managed to make a booking with SA getting a 2 week layover but I can't figure out how to do that nowadays
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:32
and I get taxed on worlwide means : you can't just get 30k in BG and then 70k in SG savings account, with only paying 10% on the BG stuff. I think there's no way for them to actually know you're doing something like this - stashing money abroad. But it's not according to the book
jase
2016-10-08 14:33
yeah i don't understand enough about asset protection
jase
2016-10-08 14:33
and i'm pretty sure i would have messed up and pierced my corporate veil too many times
jase
2016-10-08 14:33
likely also comes down to how badly the other party hates you
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:35
and how much money they're willing to spend on a lawyer ))
simon
2016-10-08 14:44
@kl5340dc Yeah legally you have to pay 10% on your worldwide income regardless of whether the money is actually remitted to Bulgaria. Would they find out if you did not? Maybe, maybe not. In my opinion, better play by the rules.
simon
2016-10-08 14:45
@jase I'm not familiar with SQ's stopover policy. You could post your question of Flyertalk though, I'm sure someone there will know. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/singapore-airlines-krisflyer-500/
jase
2016-10-08 14:46
Thanks, I'll check it out
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:47
Yeah I prefer playing by rules, sleep better :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-10-08 14:47
10k tax on 100k for living in eastern europe makes malta more intersting :slightly_smiling_face:
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2016-10-09 04:04
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kl5340dc
2016-10-09 17:09
Flywheel gave me another discount after further being difficult: now 225$/month (down from 350 to 250). With first 3 months 20% off
kl5340dc
2016-10-09 17:09
I've asked them what their discount is when paying per quarter/semin-annual/annual hihi
maxsuur
2016-10-09 21:32
Lucky you :)
jase
2016-10-10 08:38
ha, nice
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:01
I installed that wp-rocket plugin + imagify - removed w3 total cache. One of the main pages went from 2.2s/1.3mb to 720ms/442kb - faster than 94% of sites now. Thanks for tip @maxsuur
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:19
Always the best information :) glad you liked it bro ;)
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:23
flywheel service includes tweaking wprocket?
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:23
they saymanaged wordpress => does it include stuff like that?
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:23
what do you think of using CDN?
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:23
quite a bit of images on our site
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:23
Siteground included their own caching plugin
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:24
"Supercacher"
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:24
Not sure about flywheel
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:24
ah, you're with siteground not flywheel - @jase you with flywheel, know if they tweak wprocket too?
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:24
I use the free version of Cloudflare
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:24
Siteground is bulgarian it seems - located herein sofia
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:24
I think it is always a good idea
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:25
Maxcdn is widely recommended
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:25
Their staff
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:25
But I think they are american
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:25
Support is very quick
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:26
I manage a rather small site, but I am happy with them so far
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:26
no HQ here in sofia it says - their about us is all bulgarian names
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:26
hosting all over world yeah
kl5340dc
2016-10-10 11:26
seems flywheel partners with maxcdn
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:26
Cool
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:27
Hooray for Bulgaria :)
maxsuur
2016-10-10 11:27
For a good reason I think
agalt
2016-10-10 14:57
Fascinating real estate market here in batumi, Georgia on the black sea. Spoke with an Israeli guy who was here looking at the property market. He recommended Kazakhstan also. Does anyone have experience in Kazakhstan?
agalt
2016-10-10 17:24
today the girlfriend and I walked into TBC bank in Batumi, Georgia and the account opening was super easy for her. they wanted to see a passport and asked us where we were staying in town (they did not care that it was a guest house) They also offered her a card the same day without a name on it but a limit of 2,000 dollars a month of withdraws. they offered a muti-currency account in dollars, euros and lari
stoplight
2016-10-10 22:03
I'm just curious folks..is there still any possibility to open an account in SG without big $$$?
david99
2016-10-11 07:06
@agalt Thanks for sharing :)
jase
2016-10-11 07:57
@stoplight a trick I have been told from OCBC staff that have had their hands tied :slightly_smiling_face: Apply for an OCBC securities trading account. When you have that, apply at OCBC for an account in Singapore to make it easier for you to transfer money in/out of your trading account.
stoplight
2016-10-11 08:18
wow..sounds good! :slightly_smiling_face: ..will be visiting SG in early December...i'll see if that will work..thanks very much!
agalt
2016-10-11 10:03
Questions regarding having a mailing address for the majority of my mail (business and personal): if i were to pick only one service for now out of the general reach of the ussa, what address service should i use from simons guide on http://freedomsurfer.com?
maxsuur
2016-10-11 11:26
I read his books
maxsuur
2016-10-11 11:27
Very enligthening
jase
2016-10-11 11:38
Yeah I've read a few. I'm on the fence. It makes life hard.. but then, so does internationalization and that's been worth it
maxsuur
2016-10-11 11:53
Yesterday I was rereading one of my favorite books, and this came out:
maxsuur
2016-10-11 11:54
@jase:
maxsuur
2016-10-11 11:54
@maxsuur uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/maxsuur/F2MSB4K4M/slack_for_ios_upload.jpg
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:03
hah, good one
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:03
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:03
is that where you also quoted that other thing the other day? (think it was you)
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:03
Yes
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:03
That one
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:04
no kindle fuck
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:04
I highly recommend this book
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:04
I have the PDF version
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:04
You can find copies for nearly no money
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:05
nah, can't read on pc
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:05
I need the instant gratification
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:05
Ehejeh
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:05
Yes...
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:05
I also own a kindle and it is almost on fire
jase
2016-10-11 12:06
I haven't done this type of reading for a long time
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:06
yeah I barely ready anymore
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:06
What is the book you guys would recommend to anyone willing to give this lifestyle a go?
jase
2016-10-11 12:07
I think PT was interesting, though it's very dated
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:07
I could never grabbed a copy of that book
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:07
*grab
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:07
how to be free in an unfree world was quite englightening
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:07
Read that one too
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:07
Fantastic read
jase
2016-10-11 12:08
Ha, I was just typing that
jase
2016-10-11 12:08
One of my fav books of all time
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:09
I think Harry Browne is from another planet
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:09
Or was
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:09
Such a guy!
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:09
I like his chapter anti-marriage
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:09
then teh appendix - okay I remarried
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:10
my ex-gf didn't like Harry's ideas re marriage hihi
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:10
Her wife recently wrote his biography which I bought
jase
2016-10-11 12:10
Hahaha yeah my wife took a big gulp when I discussed the marriage chapter
jase
2016-10-11 12:10
Oh, how is that @maxsuur ?
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:11
this one was interesting - long and repetitive, but interesting: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GEAN7Q/
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:11
I have only read the first chapter
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:11
So far so good
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:11
Seems dense that one
jase
2016-10-11 12:11
Might be a good one to give to my wife for Christmas
jase
2016-10-11 12:11
Might help her with some coping skills lol
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:12
Hahaha
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:13
That title is currently unavailable for purchase
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:13
Could you send me a digital copy?
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:15
how?
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:15
I bought that one actually as couldn't find it for free
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:15
hmm - available fo rpurchase here
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:15
Forward me the .mobi file
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:16
You can link it up here
kl5340dc
2016-10-11 12:18
don't have my kindle here at the moment
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:19
No problem man. :) another time
jase
2016-10-11 12:41
Currently I'm reading Choose Yourself! - James Altucher
jase
2016-10-11 12:41
It seems to be an updated How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World
jase
2016-10-11 12:45
Just looked at the channels list. That took a while to join :joy:
jase
2016-10-11 12:45
I'm going to start spamming #invest
maxsuur
2016-10-11 12:56
Choose yourself! A classic
jase
2016-10-11 16:06
Man, what a day. Cofounders are tough!
vc813692
2016-10-13 02:29
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stoplight
2016-10-13 03:19
folks, what are your thoughts on this? How close are we to WW3?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1962638/putin-orders-all-russian-children-and-relatives-studying-abroad-to-return-to-the-motherland-as-he-prepares-for-wwiii/
agalt
2016-10-13 05:33
This is very crass at times but some may find it funny. The Single Dude's Guide to Life & Travel? ? The definitive single mens' guide to living the dream of a location independent lifestyle and making the most out of their lives. https://www.singledudetravel.com/ (Share from CM Browser)
maxsuur
2016-10-13 07:32
That is one more reason to secure a couple of residencies though
maxsuur
2016-10-13 07:32
And or neutral citizenships
kl5340dc
2016-10-13 07:42
they're really hammering on russia lately
kl5340dc
2016-10-13 07:42
need a new bad guy since middle east has been dealt with
kl5340dc
2016-10-13 07:50
Which dns hosting do you use?
kl5340dc
2016-10-13 07:50
namecheap privacy claims any good?
heyhaneef
2016-10-13 12:16
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jase
2016-10-13 17:01
Anyone doing p2p lending
rjmarsden
2016-10-13 17:08
yes, i have a small P2P spread across Zopa, Ratesetter and Funding Circle (all based in the UK) to see how it goes before I give them any serious money
jase
2016-10-13 17:17
I have heard good things about Ratesetter
jase
2016-10-13 17:19
Also Mintos and Fellow Finance
jase
2016-10-13 17:20
No skin in the game though
maxsuur
2016-10-13 17:37
Me neither
maxsuur
2016-10-13 17:37
Last year I checked beehive
maxsuur
2016-10-13 17:37
Very interesting
jase
2016-10-13 17:46
Some have withholding taxes. I think the one in Latvia wanted to charge me a withholding tax. Bumbow
rjmarsden
2016-10-13 17:55
they all seem good, funding circle has the biggest potential gains but is the riskiest. i guess time will tell. all of them were very easy to get started with though which is good.
bastianernst
2016-10-15 23:30
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jase
2016-10-17 16:20
Anyone have a Revolut Referral Code? Do they have any benefit nowadays?
simon
2016-10-17 16:31
@jase mine is simongy but I don't know if it offers any benefits
jase
2016-10-17 16:31
cool i'll give it a try
jase
2016-10-17 16:36
Ah damn, they don't like an Australian passport
gammahammer
2016-10-17 20:46
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titusblair
2016-10-18 03:27
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agalt
2016-10-20 14:05
They used to give them to anyone. I used w Republic of Georgia address last time.
agalt
2016-10-21 09:19
for those of you in asia :slightly_smiling_face: @simon and others http://agenda.ge/news/60138/eng
stoplight
2016-10-21 12:34
wow..that?s interesting..
jase
2016-10-21 14:54
Anyone have a fav web scraper?
jase
2016-10-21 14:55
I need to figure out how to make a list of say 1000 hotel URLs around the world
jase
2016-10-21 16:39
Free plan, perfect! Thanks @titusblair
jase
2016-10-21 16:39
Titus doesn't happen to be a mountain bike reference?
titusblair
2016-10-21 16:40
thats my name :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-10-21 16:41
Ahh! Unique name :slightly_smiling_face: Nice to "meet" you :slightly_smiling_face:
titusblair
2016-10-21 16:42
you too man!
jase
2016-10-21 16:52
Mind me asking where you are from @titusblair ?
jase
2016-10-21 16:53
I think I've spruiked it enough but if you haven't read it yet I'm in Andorra
jase
2016-10-21 16:53
From Australia
titusblair
2016-10-21 22:31
@jase right now in New Mexico from the USA
titusblair
2016-10-21 22:31
Andorra sounds awesome
florian79
2016-10-22 07:03
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kl5340dc
2016-10-22 09:31
Not been impressed with flywheel. Site does run a lot faster than with websynthesis. But their support is super slow - over 24h response time. It's been a week now and everything is stil not setup properly because their support is so slow. Pita. This for 200$/month. Synthesis was half the price with better support.
kl5340dc
2016-10-22 09:32
it seems kinsta even faster than flywheel, and it's the most used hosting for site with over 100k visitors a month. Flywheel seems to be popular with sites between 1-5k visitors a month.
kl5340dc
2016-10-22 09:33
Seems kinsta would be cheaper than flywheel as well
maxsuur
2016-10-22 11:13
It seems than migrating back is quite the choice
maxsuur
2016-10-22 11:14
I have heard good things of Traffic Planet Hosting
jase
2016-10-22 17:07
Over 24h? Surprising
jase
2016-10-22 17:08
I've never waited longer than ~2 hours for non-urgent tasks
maxsuur
2016-10-22 17:15
Me neither, with siteground you chat real time even if it's 2 am on a saturday night
kl5340dc
2016-10-23 06:00
no idea, they're jackass
kl5340dc
2016-10-23 06:00
open ticket now since 2 days
kl5340dc
2016-10-23 06:00
they enabled cdn but images on our site have their flywheel crap http://links.com vs our http://cdn.oursite.com
kl5340dc
2016-10-23 06:00
asking them to change this for several days now and ticket stays open
kl5340dc
2016-10-23 06:00
second time sending them a ticket with no reaction, this is bs
kl5340dc
2016-10-23 06:00
switching over to kinsta
kim
2016-10-23 06:20
@kl5340dc that?s a long time for a ticket? I?m with Kinsta and they replied to me in 13 minutes, saying they fixed the problem. That?s the only ticket so far, and it was because I messed up something... lol.
kl5340dc
2016-10-23 06:30
I have a thread of 15 emails with them since migration started, andstil not complete - ongoing for 9 days. They're ridiculous
kl5340dc
2016-10-23 06:32
the intercom chat with keycdn is nice - can actually talk to a human
maxsuur
2016-10-23 17:42
How much is it for keycdn? I have heard that you are charged in terms of bandwith you consume
kl5340dc
2016-10-24 06:11
it's like 20$ for 450gb
kl5340dc
2016-10-24 06:12
we're having 500gb/month bandwith. So the 100$ plan of kinsta covers 50 (which is all inbound), then 450 through keycdn at 20$/month == 120$/month
kl5340dc
2016-10-24 06:12
flywheel was 225$/month and it seems kinsta is even faster
markosjk
2016-10-24 17:54
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maxsuur
2016-10-24 20:43
It seems that kinsta is the way to go.
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 06:55
support has been really good, liking them so far
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 06:56
they're blocking a bunch of plugins though
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 06:56
wp-rocket they don't allow as they're doing caching themself on the server level
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 06:56
can use it just for lazy loading /minification though
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 06:57
for support they use http://intercom.io - cool as you can chat with them if not online get an email
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 06:57
very nice overall
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 06:57
slightly faster than flywheel (not much, just slight)
rik
2016-10-25 15:47
Hey everyone! Do any of you have experience with Malta residency, or live there?
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 18:16
Flywheel has offered 3 months free + dedicated account manager because I said I wasn't happy with support and asked for cancel
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 18:16
nice offer but everything works well with kinsta, and kinda too late
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 18:17
no guarantee it will be better later
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 18:17
but if they grant a full refund I'd be impressed
kl5340dc
2016-10-25 18:39
well they gave full refund, nice
agalt
2016-10-25 18:41
:slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-10-26 09:17
Today is a good day
jase
2016-10-26 09:17
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F2U9K1CAX/pasted_image_at_2016_10_26_11_17_am.png
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:23
dell xps?
jase
2016-10-26 09:24
yeah. the laptop i've had my frustrations with
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:24
heh
jase
2016-10-26 09:24
but the monitor rocked up today and is great
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:24
been using windows for 20y, thinking of switching over to mac now when new macbook comes out
jase
2016-10-26 09:24
i gave it strong consideration
jase
2016-10-26 09:25
was seriously considering switching to ubuntu at one stage, but i don't have the time
jase
2016-10-26 09:25
right now whatever makes me money fastest = winning
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:25
jase
2016-10-26 09:25
when i have time i'll make the swap
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:25
yeah - I don't have time/patience to mess arond with computer either, just has to work
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:25
all the tools we use is in the cloud, so doesn't really matter anymore
jase
2016-10-26 09:26
i've been trying to move everything there
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:26
what was issue with the laptop?
jase
2016-10-26 09:26
not loving google docs tbh
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:26
use google docs quite a bit, but it slows stuff down
jase
2016-10-26 09:26
it's great when docs are in there, but it's a pain when a website makes me download a CSV, then I have to upload it before opening it
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:26
it seems to slow down computer every 30ùins, need to restart browser
jase
2016-10-26 09:27
The XPS 13 has massive driver issues
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:27
right drivers - that's so 1998
jase
2016-10-26 09:27
my wife has the low spec model, it's fine. mine's the top of the range one and it's a nightmare
jase
2016-10-26 09:27
yeah i used to do hardware support - i know what i'm doing and this has been a POS
jase
2016-10-26 09:28
it took around a month for me to get the thing to sleep or shutdown
jase
2016-10-26 09:28
it would just sleep/shutdown then turn back on
jase
2016-10-26 09:28
whether it was plugged in or on battery
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:29
heh - I used to work in support too before starting this business :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:29
hell jobs!
jase
2016-10-26 09:29
whats your business?
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:29
apps mostly now
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:30
make apps - not for others, ourselvs, ownt he apps/monetize it
jase
2016-10-26 09:30
honestly i had tons of fun with it.. i was lucky by the end of it i was a sysadmin/data center manager.. i'd ask my boss if i could buy stuff and he said if it's less than 6 zeros, go for it
jase
2016-10-26 09:30
infiniband networking then! :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:30
heh
jase
2016-10-26 09:30
yeah thats awesome
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:30
I was doing support for customers who called in :slightly_smiling_face: crazy
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:31
lots of dumb questions :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-10-26 09:31
oh yeah that was my first IT job -the worst
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:31
my only job I ever had:)
jase
2016-10-26 09:31
couldn't figure out why a woman's dial up internet wouldn't work.........
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:31
disgusted after taht hhehe
jase
2016-10-26 09:31
she didn't have a modem!
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:31
hehe
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:31
classic
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:31
worst were wifi issues
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:32
no internet because wifi falls out
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:32
try explaining it's not the physical connection but wifi that is the problem
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:32
"I don't care, my interent doesn't work!!!"
jase
2016-10-26 09:32
ha, yeah
kl5340dc
2016-10-26 09:32
you can put a cable.....
maxsuur
2016-10-26 09:41
I switched to ubuntu months ago never to look back. You get a better understanding of computers but the learning curve is somehow steep
jase
2016-10-26 09:41
yeah i used to use ubunto and centos a lot for work a few years back
jase
2016-10-26 09:42
compatibility and drivers are the main reason why I CBF now
jase
2016-10-26 09:42
I'm sure it's better though
maxsuur
2016-10-26 09:47
CBF?
jase
2016-10-26 09:58
ah! can't be f'd
jase
2016-10-26 09:58
May be an Aussie abbreviation
maxsuur
2016-10-26 12:13
Hehehe probably :)
jase
2016-10-26 12:17
There's also SFA
jase
2016-10-26 12:17
"I've done SFA today"
jase
2016-10-26 12:17
Sweet F-all
jase
2016-10-26 12:18
NFI
jase
2016-10-26 12:18
No f'ing idea
maxsuur
2016-10-26 12:22
I'll take notes just in case I ever head to Australia, seems to be useful though
jase
2016-10-26 12:22
In person we just say the words
maxsuur
2016-10-26 12:39
It makes sense
maxsuur
2016-10-26 12:40
When I was living in Mexico, I learned a lot of mexican slang just by chatting with mexican friends on whatsapp groups
jase
2016-10-26 15:02
It's funny, I thought Australians were offensive before I learned some Spanish ones
jase
2016-10-26 15:03
They put some real effort into it
agalt
2016-10-27 11:10
question: clickfunnles vs leadpages a checkout process that is simple and easy to up-sell?
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:11
I'd go with thrivecart
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:12
Before the public launch there is this lifetime promo you can take
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:12
Possibly the best value out of there
agalt
2016-10-27 11:12
hmm. good info. thanks for the alternate option. will take a look
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:13
As always
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:13
Here is the link with the discount: https://checkout.thrivecart.com/thrivecart-lifetime-special/
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:14
Beautiful checkout pages and integrates well with most of the other services
agalt
2016-10-27 11:15
thank you
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:15
And
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:15
And for you landing page creation efforts
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:16
I'd take a look at the Thrive Content Builder/Thrive Leads
agalt
2016-10-27 11:17
will do. IIRC we spoke about this in the past. thank you for this info.
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:17
You are welcome man
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:18
I am very up to date with all of this stuff
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:18
:)
agalt
2016-10-27 11:19
product delivery works well so far, but the page setup and checkout process is the difficult part.
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:19
Yes..
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:20
Another alternative is SamCart
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:20
But, it is a monthly suscription
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:20
Clickfunnels is also a monthly suscription, and it is a complete suite
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:21
You got the options, you decide
agalt
2016-10-27 11:24
will do. thank you for your time
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:24
You know? I am happy that things are difficult, because if it was easy, everyone would do it
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:24
More competition, less market share :)
maxsuur
2016-10-27 11:25
I guess I am growing old.. haha
agalt
2016-10-28 07:36
Good news after the Philippines played china and japan against the ussa Duterte Japan trip yields Toyota, Mitsubishi deals in $1.85-B package | ABS-CBN News http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/10/27/16/duterte-japan-trip-yields-toyota-mitsubishi-deals-in-185-b-package (Share from CM Browser)
kl5340dc
2016-10-28 08:09
@maxsuur that looks great the thrivecart - that from thrivethemes?
maxsuur
2016-10-28 08:12
These are 2 different companies:
maxsuur
2016-10-28 08:12
1. ThriveCart (shopping cart, checkout pages)
maxsuur
2016-10-28 08:14
2, ThriveThemes, its products are (Thrive Leads, Thrive Content Builder, Thrive Ultimatum, Thrive Ovation and themes)----> Wordpress visual editor, building landing/sales pages, opt in forms, countdown timers, collecting testimonials...
maxsuur
2016-10-28 08:14
Hope it helps!!
kl5340dc
2016-10-28 08:22
ok
simon
2016-10-28 15:18
@agalt The investment deal is great for the Philippines. That said, Duterte is a bloody disaster. He's more of a gangster than a president. Back when he was mayor in Davao, the city had so many (sponsored) murders you'd think it was an active war zone.
stoplight
2016-10-28 15:31
Well folks, as probably the only Filipino in this group and also a broadcast journalist for the last 20 years, this new president is our version of Donald Trump.
stoplight
2016-10-28 15:32
This so called deal with Toyota & Mitsubishi has been in the works way even before he became president. Toyota has been building cars here for several decades while Mitsubishi bought the former Ford plant two years ago to ramp up its production. So this news clip, from my professional perspective is ?old news?.
stoplight
2016-10-28 15:39
Duterte is also a leftist. He has proudly said so many times and among his personal friends is a man called Jose Maria Sison who founded and still the current chairman of the Communist Party of the Philippines. He has been in exile in the Netherlands since 1987 and there has been talks that Duterte will probably bring him back. He has been identified as a person supporting terrorism.
simon
2016-10-28 15:48
@stoplight In a move typical of most politicians, he will obviously claim all credit for the deal though.
stoplight
2016-10-28 15:48
I personally don?t like the U.S. myself but getting into a pissing contest isn?t really the best way to market the country. In the last 7 years, this is the only time the Philippine Peso dropped tremendously against the U.S. dollar and because of this, gas prices and common goods have increased. And all he is doing is prioritizing his anti-drug war. Thailand did something way back in the early 2000s with Thaksin Shinawatra and look where that got them. And what kind of president can you be to young children when all that comes out of your mouth are kill, death, kill, death. F* you?and all expletives one can think of. Sorry @agalt ?but as much as many folks like his angst over the U.S., the real truth is, he isn?t doing a good job. I should know, because a good friend of mine works for the Presidential Communications Office and they have the worst job in the world which is trying to make him look good and ?interpret? all the expletives that comes out of his dirty mouth.
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2016-10-28 15:51
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agalt
2016-10-28 16:11
Fair enough. It is appealing to see America loosing influence in the region. That is the main idea.
stoplight
2016-10-29 03:28
That?s true?the reality of things is that sooner or later, all of us have to start learning how to speak Mandarin. China has undoubtedly more money than pretty much everyone else..hahaha...
agalt
2016-10-29 06:42
politics are not something I take interest in. The exciting part was the economic activity. Not a fan of the drug war or laws. what people put in their bodies is their personal business. Where we go and do business boils down to what suits us personally at a given time, and if we don't like it then we leave.
kl5340dc
2016-10-29 09:54
@maxsuur https://checkout.thrivecart.com/thrivecart-lifetime-special/ => that's a discount for lifetime account at2000$ :slightly_smiling_face: got a regular link?
maxsuur
2016-10-29 09:55
You only pay 495 usd for the software
maxsuur
2016-10-29 09:55
And it is yours 4 life
maxsuur
2016-10-29 09:57
Check the thrivecart site for the regular one
kl5340dc
2016-10-29 09:58
that link shows 2000$
maxsuur
2016-10-29 09:59
Generally you pay it monthly
kl5340dc
2016-10-29 10:06
k
simon
2016-10-29 19:33
@stoplight It is indeed ridiculous that he takes such a stance against the West. His main priority in my opinion should be the economy / wealth distribution and pissing off half the global GDP is just not a good business move. If he likes China so much, he should take a page out of their book and maintain neutrality with everyone.
stoplight
2016-10-29 20:03
absolutely agree with you @simon ?it?s just that he wasn?t built that way?and he?s such a narcissist that he doesn?t care to listen to other people?s opinion except his own?and when he eventually fails..he half heartedly says sorry...
kl5340dc
2016-10-30 13:28
what's health care like in thailand ?
kl5340dc
2016-10-30 13:29
just broke my tooth filling - okay fixing stuff like this in chiang mai/bangkok?
kl5340dc
2016-10-30 13:29
can fix it in my western home country this week as well where I'm always been okay with it, but might be waiting list
stoplight
2016-10-30 13:35
Thailand?if you have the money?they can fix anything..haha.. :smile: ..kidding..
rik
2016-10-30 14:15
dental is generally good and cheap in Bangkok @kl5340dc
rik
2016-10-30 14:17
hospitals can be cheaper than dental 'shops' though a lot of the time
rik
2016-10-30 14:18
but for just a filling, you're looking at $50ish
kl5340dc
2016-10-30 14:24
ok
simon
2016-10-30 17:55
@kl5340dc I've done a few annual checkups (and consultations) at Bumrungrad in Bangkok. The service is very good and their facilities were definitely world-class. I probably wouldn't recommend it for an open-heart surgery but for routine stuff it's great.
kl5340dc
2016-10-31 07:10
ok
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2016-10-31 11:12
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kl5340dc
2016-10-31 11:21
so I ended up going here in bulgaria, neat service - called at 9:30, by 12:30 it was fixed. 300? for what costed 750? in be last time. going again
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2016-10-31 12:21
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jase
2016-11-01 16:11
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F2WVCMK3N/dsc04930.jpg
maxsuur
2016-11-01 17:15
I think if you look far enough you can some bank building
jase
2016-11-01 17:30
Banks everywhere :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-01 17:30
I was told yesterday my account is "almost open"
jase
2016-11-01 17:31
It's taking time to adapt to the culture :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-01 17:31
mañana time
maxsuur
2016-11-01 21:03
Hehhee, and here it is eficient compared to mexico
maxsuur
2016-11-01 21:03
Mañana sometimes means in one week or even never
kl5340dc
2016-11-02 11:48
here everything open every day until 10-11pm
kl5340dc
2016-11-02 11:48
they don't seem to do holidays or whatever, yesterday nov 1 people just working, everything open
kl5340dc
2016-11-02 11:49
I was used to stores open until 6pm only, sunday closed, having to take a day off to do things because opening windows are small
kl5340dc
2016-11-02 11:49
hard to go back after getting used to this
agalt
2016-11-02 12:11
There is a new hospital near my place in Georgia. Didn't expect to try any of them out. Last night after dinner i fell and hit my head and passed out. Some friends took me to the emergency room, they did a ct scan of my head and pumped me full of iv fluids. 150 dollars without insurance. No stupid forms to fill out. I just told them i was leaving and they removed my iv and i payed with a tbc bank card and friends picked me up. They do this stuff really efficiently.
stoplight
2016-11-02 13:56
wow?glad your ok...
etienne
2016-11-02 14:05
It wouldn't be that fast in Canada... but it wouldn't have cost you a penny too :p
jase
2016-11-02 14:50
Yep glad all is good :+1:
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2016-11-02 22:51
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josh
2016-11-03 10:45
alright @agalt I might have to make a winter trip, it?s been a few years since I?ve seen snow. http://georgia.travel/skiing-snowboarding
agalt
2016-11-03 10:45
gudari is a great place to snowboard if you are into that
josh
2016-11-03 10:47
they really have a lot of blue-sky days like that pic? I?m googling for info - what?s the tip for NOT getting Georgia, USA results?
brab
2016-11-03 10:48
lol
brab
2016-11-03 10:49
Bet Trump 5 to 1 last week, will prob hedge closer to election date once Hillarys odds get even worse with some new scandal
simon
2016-11-03 10:50
@agalt @josh Damn I almost want to go heli-ski just to ride that soviet-style chopper! http://georgia.travel/en/heli-ski
josh
2016-11-03 10:51
That might be a bigger adventure than the actual snow!
simon
2016-11-03 10:53
@brab I bet they won't show that on CNN :stuck_out_tongue:
agalt
2016-11-03 10:55
for georgia searches it is helpful to put in "caucuses" https://duckduckgo.com/?q=georgia+caucus+ski+locations&t=h_&ia=web
brab
2016-11-03 10:56
the mainstream media is pretty bad
brab
2016-11-03 10:56
@brab uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/brab/F2WRE5MCZ/pasted_image_at_2016_11_03_06_56_am.png
brab
2016-11-03 10:56
NY times has a running counter on their front page every day
brab
2016-11-03 10:56
latest email scandal brought it from 91% to 87% lmao
brab
2016-11-03 10:56
yeah.... I think every bookie in the world has an opinion about that
agalt
2016-11-03 10:57
life gets easier when you don't pay attention to politics.
brab
2016-11-03 10:57
yeah i was never one for politics, this is more of a circus
simon
2016-11-03 10:58
Would be nice though if Trump gets in and lowers the corporate tax rate to 15% like he promised...
brab
2016-11-03 10:58
Best thing I heard him say which will probably never happen - remove 3 regulations for every 1 regulation created or something along those lines
maxsuur
2016-11-03 14:26
Hey guys
maxsuur
2016-11-03 14:26
Paypal, stripe, revolut and now...
maxsuur
2016-11-03 14:26
Amazon
maxsuur
2016-11-03 14:26
"Amazon payments"
maxsuur
2016-11-03 14:26
What do you guys think?
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2016-11-03 15:17
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simon
2016-11-03 15:17
Could be an interesting option if they launch in more countries. For now their site only shows US, Japan and a few EU countries.
maxsuur
2016-11-03 15:52
It includes Spain as well
jase
2016-11-03 17:39
Meh, 2.9% same old rate
jase
2016-11-03 17:40
3.9% for cross border
maxsuur
2016-11-03 18:07
I remember The revolut business account launch was due to November
simon
2016-11-03 18:31
@maxsuur Yes, it is still supposed to launch later this month. What is unclear at this point is how it will work and which countries will be accepted.
jase
2016-11-03 18:32
Yeah I'm hanging for that news
jase
2016-11-03 18:32
I need to rationalize my payment system
jase
2016-11-03 18:33
Now that Hang Seng are charging for incoming wires it may be worth working with a payment gateway
jase
2016-11-03 18:41
jase
2016-11-03 18:42
10 min walk to Kotor Old Town (tourist spot)
simon
2016-11-03 18:46
@jase For that price you would have a broom closet on the California coast / Gold Coast / French riviera! Is Kotor nice?
jase
2016-11-03 18:47
Haven't been, just dreaming from afar :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-03 18:47
Seems to be growing fairly steadily as a tourist spot
jase
2016-11-03 18:47
Meaning Kotor Old Town will probably become miserable in peak season
jase
2016-11-03 18:47
but Muo is close enough for tourists to stay while being far enough removed to relax
jase
2016-11-03 18:47
Kotor is where the cruise ships come in
jase
2016-11-03 18:49
bbl
simon
2016-11-03 18:51
Looks nice and maybe there's some good mountain biking in the hills we see in the background!
simon
2016-11-03 18:51
I haven't paid that part of the world much attention. I always seem to end up in Asia or western Europe. I need to "explore" a bit more in 2017.
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2016-11-03 18:53
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maxsuur
2016-11-03 18:58
Definitely it is worth a visit
jase
2016-11-03 19:08
I've been told there is @simon. It's not well documented/explored though.
jase
2016-11-03 19:10
Some friends building https://christchurchadventurepark.com/ have done some ground work into a project there
maxsuur
2016-11-03 20:09
In less than two weeks i will be in Madrid to pick up my new e-residency card
maxsuur
2016-11-03 20:09
Powered by the high tech estonian govt
jase
2016-11-03 21:12
nice!
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:06
This is something we have barely spoken about here, but when you first mentioned to your family and friends that you'd go on your own, chasing that crazy idea that you were obsessively thinking about and ultimately running a business, how was that? Was it an easy transition in a fully supportive environment or most likely the opposite? I am interested in knowing your thoughts on the subject matter
jase
2016-11-04 18:10
By the time I did this I'd already told me family I was a mountain bike coach (that didn't last), vegan and sick of inefficient high tax. Starting a business was not really a big deal to them :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:14
Mountain bike coach, that would make for a website name
simon
2016-11-04 18:18
Both of my parents + most of my extended family members are business owners so starting a business was pretty much something they expected of me. Perpetually traveling wasn't however and that is still something many struggle to understand, even after five years on the road. I think it's one of those things you can only understand if you do it yourself. It's a new thing too, we are pioneers. The first generation of nomads after ten thousand years of sedentary life.
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:21
That last paragraph would make for an amazing marketing message ;)
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:21
Would you like to become part of...?
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:22
Here we I come from there is no business mentality at all, everyone wants to grab some lifelong government job
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:23
There is no entrepreneurial mentality, and it is something that invariably drags in some alternate conceptions of what It could be.
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:23
And the nomad lifestyle is even less understood
simon
2016-11-04 18:27
@maxsuur That is surprising, considering Spain is pretty much the biggest nomad hub in the western world.
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:29
Yes, with no locals in them
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:30
Full of non-spanish nationals
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:30
Britons, germans, americans, aussies, scandinavians...
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:31
Probably there is more of a entreprenurial mindset in Barcelona and Bilbao
josh
2016-11-04 18:31
I travelled a lot growing up, and then on my own after college, as my parents also had when they were younger. Everybody is also entrepreneurial so me being gone for a decade doing my own thing is normal - we actually meet in various places around the world for holidays, however it works out. Couldn't imagine a non-nomadic life. I go stir crazy after a month in one place. :smile:
josh
2016-11-04 18:33
What Simon said though is very true - luck of technology at our time in history allows for the life of your making, wherever.
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:33
That is awesome Josh, that would be the life in the future for the many
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:34
But they have not realised that yet
simon
2016-11-04 18:39
@josh Nice ad! It's funny how I've been to each of the locations shown in the video! Most of them in Shanghai.
josh
2016-11-04 18:39
I think it doesn't fit for most people honestly. They like the idea of the Instagram life, but being a PT can be exhausting in a lot of ways! Sometimes it is nice to actually unpack the bags and get a little routine going for a few weeks in one spot. :nerd_face:
josh
2016-11-04 18:40
Baller you
josh
2016-11-04 18:40
You are that nomad!
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:40
Please invite that guy to Slack haha
josh
2016-11-04 18:43
Haha considering the ad client he's probably a model that travels more than any of us even!
jase
2016-11-04 18:44
Agreed that we're just the first of a generation that live this way
jase
2016-11-04 18:44
I'm yet to read the book but I'm on board with the notion that "the end of jobs" is near
jase
2016-11-04 18:44
jobs as we know them anyway
jase
2016-11-04 18:44
Also agreed with you @josh that most people don't have the energy for this life
jase
2016-11-04 18:44
It comes with a bucket full of hassles
simon
2016-11-04 18:46
@josh You should see the jobs some nomads have in China. I know a guy who is paid to "show up" at condo viewings to pretend he lives there. This makes the condo building look international and the owners can raise the price (Chinese love international stuff).
josh
2016-11-04 18:47
That's an awesome gig
josh
2016-11-04 18:47
Hang out with his hot significant other all day
simon
2016-11-04 18:47
For sure there are hassles but most can be mitigated with money. The main reason many nomads give up, in my opinion, is that they simply do not have the cash flow to sustain the lifestyle.
josh
2016-11-04 18:47
Work in a different condo with epic views every day. That'd be fun for a bit
jase
2016-11-04 18:48
My wife's dad (over 60, Australian) gets paid to stand in trade show booths for products he has nothing to do with
jase
2016-11-04 18:48
*in China
josh
2016-11-04 18:48
Yeah Simon exactly
josh
2016-11-04 18:48
I was going to say you have to be a little weird and very determined, or a multimillionaire
jase
2016-11-04 18:49
Also agreed that money is an issue - one thing I dislike the most about the Digital Nomad title is that it's all about bootstrapping on the road in Chiang Mai making a wage that isn't actually enough to live one in your home country
jase
2016-11-04 18:49
basically, you're not getting ahead
jase
2016-11-04 18:49
brb
josh
2016-11-04 18:50
They're catering to that though.
josh
2016-11-04 18:51
But yeah there are a bunch of those it seems like - I've been on my own too long and I'm too anti-collectivist to join a shared workspace commune in Bali. Though I do love Bali!
josh
2016-11-04 18:53
Honestly that's what I found cool about Simon's angle - not trying to sell me a farm in South America to escape Armageddon, and not a collectivist workgroup. But like-minded
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:54
I agree with @simon
simon
2016-11-04 18:54
@jase We have to thank the bloggers who keep pushing the 1000$ a month figure for the mess so many would be nomads end up in. Sure you can survive on that but you won't be living the dream life you think you will!
josh
2016-11-04 18:55
Where can you even get by on a grand a month? Without living in a hostel?
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:55
In many places @josh
simon
2016-11-04 18:56
@josh Not trying to sell you anything actually :stuck_out_tongue: Other than the Club, I do not sell anything on the site.
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:56
Southern Spain to be more exact
josh
2016-11-04 18:57
I guess I haven't tried very hard but it seems like you'd be living pretty low-end, unless it was literally in a hammock on a beach in the Philippines or something.
josh
2016-11-04 18:57
I like my western luxuries in exotic places thanks! :grin:
agalt
2016-11-04 18:58
you can live on 600 a month in tbilisi georgia (not to whore out my favorite country or anything)
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:58
Absolutely, you gotta start somewhere hehehe, but always striving for a more comfortable lifestyle
simon
2016-11-04 18:58
In HK you could not even live in a hostel for a grand :stuck_out_tongue:
josh
2016-11-04 18:58
But are you including rent in that figure? Organic food? Adventure?
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:58
Yes
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:59
I think you could
maxsuur
2016-11-04 18:59
But dont include babies and porsches please
agalt
2016-11-04 18:59
rent in TBS is 150-250 depending on a room or a small apartment + utilities + food at local markets
jase
2016-11-04 18:59
I am very torn about frugality
jase
2016-11-04 19:00
It can give so much freedom when combined with an average or higher wage
jase
2016-11-04 19:00
But when people then limit their earning potential they end up just as trapped if not worse than before
agalt
2016-11-04 19:00
it is all about how you are comfortable living
maxsuur
2016-11-04 19:01
I am with you on that @jase
josh
2016-11-04 19:01
Yeah @jase
simon
2016-11-04 19:01
It's also about how fast you travel. The faster, the more you will spend (in part due to transport, in part to offset the hassles)
jase
2016-11-04 19:02
I've heard many times where guys are living comfortably in a country due to cost of living... But they can't afford to fly home to visit family as that is 10% of their yearly income
jase
2016-11-04 19:02
Yeah that's right @simon
josh
2016-11-04 19:02
Yeah I know a lot of people like that
jase
2016-11-04 19:02
It's interesting as things change for me.. I used to fly when the flights were dirt cheap. Now I am thinking "what impact does that have on my earning?"
jase
2016-11-04 19:03
Extra 8 hours in transit means 1 extra day offline or trying to work from an airport while I am tired
josh
2016-11-04 19:03
Time has a value to it...
agalt
2016-11-04 19:03
agreed, taking the train in europe is a hassle now in southern europe
simon
2016-11-04 19:04
@jase Not just your earnings but also quality of life. Nothing sucks more than being stuck in an airport, tired and waiting for a plane.
jase
2016-11-04 19:04
It's interesting to see how wealthier friends (not always nomads) do these things. Private airport transfers etc
agalt
2016-11-04 19:04
public transport vs private taxi is worth it most of the time depending on where you are
simon
2016-11-04 19:05
@agalt Except in Asia. There the trains usually get to town faster than cars. Or are much safer! I've had some scary taxi rides in places like BKK...
josh
2016-11-04 19:06
Haha did it take you 4 hours?
jase
2016-11-04 19:06
Taxi to Georgetown in Penang, nice and quick, fairly sketchy!
agalt
2016-11-04 19:06
lol @simon you should see georgia :slightly_smiling_face: half the taxis are missing front and rear bumpers. most of the windshields are cracked
josh
2016-11-04 19:07
I'd rather take a crazy taxi driving on the sidewalk in Latin America than a public bus...
simon
2016-11-04 19:07
@josh No, quite the opposite in fact. The driver confused his toyota car for an F1 and maxed it on the elevated highway.
jase
2016-11-04 19:07
Hahaha
agalt
2016-11-04 19:07
LOL
simon
2016-11-04 19:08
I spent the whole ride wondering if my life insurance would cover me if I didn't make it :stuck_out_tongue:
josh
2016-11-04 19:08
Ah yeah on the toll roads with no traffic they fly. I kinda enjoy it though unless it's an old guy who is clearly a terrible driver
jase
2016-11-04 19:08
Realistically, this is now me in Europe
jase
2016-11-04 19:09
Not sure if I have told you guys but the EU does not have access to the Andorran numberplate database
josh
2016-11-04 19:09
I think Colombia has the scariest drivers at high speeds. Blind corner passing is just what you do...
josh
2016-11-04 19:10
So you can speed?
jase
2016-11-04 19:10
Ok that is concerning
jase
2016-11-04 19:10
I try and wave for the cameras
agalt
2016-11-04 19:10
first ride from the airport was 80mph in the rain in an 2000 mercedes e class with the windows rolled down halfway so he could smoke. He was swerving 3 lanes back and forth telling me how wonderful georgia was in russian (because i didnt say anything but a few russian words)
agalt
2016-11-04 19:11
been in a few car accidents, and being in a mercedes is prefferable to an old toyota if you are going to hit something hard
josh
2016-11-04 19:12
Lol good to know
agalt
2016-11-04 19:12
@jase do you still drive?
agalt
2016-11-04 19:13
getting hit in a volkswagon hurts less than a subaru also
jase
2016-11-04 19:14
Yeah I drive a bit
jase
2016-11-04 19:14
I have a lame Golf right now, sacrificed some fun stuff for a few years to make some business/investing progress
simon
2016-11-04 19:15
My scariest ride ever was in Cuba, I took a cab from the nightclub back to my resort (20 km or so away). The car did not have a floor, at least not on the passenger side, it also did not have a windshield. What it did have is a massive plasma tv screen on the dash and some disco lights! As soon as I sat down (and my feet went directly to the road), the driver started playing some hip hop videos on the tv which was so bright it made him (and me) completely night blind. He seemed drunk too. For the whole ride I had to hold my feet up hoping a tree branch or something would not impale me. That and praying we would not crash. I still don't know why I did not ask for another taxi...
agalt
2016-11-04 19:15
agreed @jase I don't drive because investing in depreciating assets will burn me. So the less stuff i have the less struff owns me
agalt
2016-11-04 19:16
lol. that is always fun @simon
josh
2016-11-04 19:16
Haha @simon and was it an old 50's American muscle car?
jase
2016-11-04 19:16
Haha Simon, ridiculous
agalt
2016-11-04 19:17
in malaysia one of the taxi drivers was smoking something funny and acting kind of goofy, i pointed and smiled. he and i drove around for another 10 minutes and passed until it was out :slightly_smiling_face:
simon
2016-11-04 19:17
@josh Yeah although nothing like the ones in the tourist brochures!
jase
2016-11-04 19:17
Well I have stupidly expensive hobbies. Cars, bicycles (and I typically get them half price), show sports, camping/multi day hiking
jase
2016-11-04 19:18
But you have to live too
agalt
2016-11-04 19:19
do what you love. life is no fun if you suffer the entire time.
jase
2016-11-04 19:19
Agreed that buying things you don't need is generally a good rule, but in the grand scheme of things, spending a little extra on a dining table that makes you smile is no big deal
jase
2016-11-04 19:19
The trap I see most friends making is that they have to have the best of everything, now
jase
2016-11-04 19:19
I like buying high quality stuff that lasts, but it means I have 1/10th of what everyone else has
jase
2016-11-04 19:20
The Aussie culture anyway seems to be too "chuck it on the mortgage"
jase
2016-11-04 19:20
Buy a house, renovate, buy a bunch of things you can't afford, get a new car too
agalt
2016-11-04 19:21
the americans are like this especially in the middle class
jase
2016-11-04 19:21
You mean the lower class? :)
agalt
2016-11-04 19:21
hahahaha
josh
2016-11-04 19:21
Savage
agalt
2016-11-04 19:21
brilliant
jase
2016-11-04 19:22
It's so sad, the greatest market in the world is shrinking
agalt
2016-11-04 19:22
high end or low end it is then
jase
2016-11-04 19:23
From a business point of view, that is my markets
jase
2016-11-04 19:23
High volume, low cost or high quality, low volume
jase
2016-11-04 19:23
Shrinking opportunity in between
josh
2016-11-04 19:24
Not in Asia
jase
2016-11-04 19:24
Yeah Asia is the perfect middle class market
josh
2016-11-04 19:24
Middle class is going to add a billion people over the next decade
jase
2016-11-04 19:24
Also Africa
jase
2016-11-04 19:25
Have you guys ready the citigroup plutonomy letters?
simon
2016-11-04 19:30
@jase No, what are they about?
jase
2016-11-04 19:31
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F2ZA789UP/plutonomy-1.pdf
jase
2016-11-04 19:31
This is one of them
jase
2016-11-04 19:32
Basically they are saying about extreme high end wealth and the products that best serve that market
simon
2016-11-04 19:32
@jase Thanks for sharing! I will add them to my ebook reader.
jase
2016-11-04 19:32
It's quite old now, that is only one of two from memory
jase
2016-11-04 19:33
But it's a good trend I like to follow
jase
2016-11-04 19:34
I don't consider myself to know much about investing but if there were trends that I follow it is:
1. Invest in food
2. Invest in aged care in most developed countries
3. Invest in luxury/extreme high end companies
agalt
2016-11-04 19:36
it is one of those topics that will get you asked to leave a public high school classroom during a debate if you look at it analytically
josh
2016-11-04 19:37
1. Crickets!
josh
2016-11-04 19:38
Don't get me started but bugs are the food of the future. Invest in crickets.
simon
2016-11-04 19:39
@josh That would make a great quote :stuck_out_tongue:
agalt
2016-11-04 19:39
fishing with crickets for catfish works quite well :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-04 19:39
I don't think you can go wrong with high quality, organic, high calorie fruit/veg
josh
2016-11-04 19:39
Lobster are just giant roaches of the sea, people will learn to eat crickets too!
jase
2016-11-04 19:39
Mangos/avocados
josh
2016-11-04 19:39
But for protein
jase
2016-11-04 19:40
Like it or not a lot of people are going to need to eat less meat
josh
2016-11-04 19:40
Compare a kg of beef to a kg of crickets
jase
2016-11-04 19:40
Calories that aren't empty can be a challenge.
josh
2016-11-04 19:41
The amount of water, space, overall impact etc, cost, and the nutrient profile...crickets win
jase
2016-11-04 19:41
But considering I am already a veg eater I am biased
jase
2016-11-04 19:41
Huge culture shift though
josh
2016-11-04 19:41
So as a vegetarian would you eat bugs?
agalt
2016-11-04 19:41
has anyone else here had cricket bars with fruit and chocolate?
josh
2016-11-04 19:41
I always am curious - some will some won't
agalt
2016-11-04 19:42
it is not bad as you think
simon
2016-11-04 19:42
@josh The moral of the story is that if you can bio-engineer a large, red roach you will get rich, eventually.
jase
2016-11-04 19:42
I have been doing fine without them, why would I?
jase
2016-11-04 19:42
Hahah crab roach
josh
2016-11-04 19:42
Ha just curious if you consider an insect an animal or no
josh
2016-11-04 19:43
Not to get personal
jase
2016-11-04 19:43
I consider it an insect
jase
2016-11-04 19:43
FYI I am not an animal rights activist
jase
2016-11-04 19:43
Lol
josh
2016-11-04 19:43
Some vegans / vegetarians will eat bugs though. Like a step down from pescatarian
josh
2016-11-04 19:43
lol I won't judge
agalt
2016-11-04 19:44
those globe fish farms out in the sea are promising for food.
jase
2016-11-04 19:44
I just tested diet changes on myself for a good decade or so, what I am doing now seems to work
simon
2016-11-04 19:44
I've had a beetle a couple of years ago, wrapped in chocolate. Courtesy of a friend who "failed" to tell me what was inside the chocolate. Tasted fine actually. It only started tasting horrible when I learned what was in it.
josh
2016-11-04 19:44
All in your mind
simon
2016-11-04 19:45
Josh is right, if you can get past the psychological barrier insects are fine. Some insects anyway lol
jase
2016-11-04 19:45
This reminds me of the time we used to put blue food colouring in friends' scotch and coke
jase
2016-11-04 19:46
After a half dozen drinks they wouldn't catch on until they saw themselves in a mirror or a member of the public told them their mouth was bright blue
josh
2016-11-04 19:46
@josh uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/josh/F2ZA5HY6S/bbq_something_._null_
agalt
2016-11-04 19:46
interesting
simon
2016-11-04 19:46
If you guys ever find yourself in the picturesque city of Phnom Penh, remember to give this fine dining establishment a try! https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g293940-d1217419-Reviews-Romdeng-Phnom_Penh.html
jase
2016-11-04 19:47
Ok movie time
jase
2016-11-04 19:47
Enjoy the weekend everyone
simon
2016-11-04 19:47
@jase You too! Take care
agalt
2016-11-04 19:47
thanks guys. Enjoy your work.
josh
2016-11-04 19:48
Have fun!
jase
2016-11-05 08:40
Probably not going to be useful for PTs or tax optimised people any time soon, but worth a mention.
maxsuur
2016-11-05 09:15
Thanks @jase
maxsuur
2016-11-06 16:42
it'd be cool to see which structures are members using. Some kind of survey to see which LLC, IBC, etc and countries are the most popular here to run businesses from
simon
2016-11-06 16:47
Hong Kong companies are probably the most popular here. As many as half the members are registered there. There's a few IBCs and of course, US/UK/EU companies. It's a good idea though, the survey. I'll see what I can do :)
maxsuur
2016-11-06 16:56
That is quite a number. Great, thanks!
jase
2016-11-06 17:09
Please include in the survey: "If you could do it again, where would you incorporate?" :slightly_smiling_face:
simon
2016-11-06 17:09
I can already guess your answer to that one :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
jase
2016-11-06 17:10
hahah
jase
2016-11-06 17:10
Honestly I don't know what my answer would be
jase
2016-11-06 17:10
Sometimes I wonder if US is a good way to go, even though I'd have to pay some tax there
jase
2016-11-06 17:11
Been looking at a UK company for a new partnership. Considering giving a UK resident a small share to be local representative/sales - try and get them involved in Virgin Startup
simon
2016-11-06 17:15
That would take care of the non-resident bank account opening problem. Also, having a UK resident as partner will not affect the tax status of the LLP although the resident partner will have to pay UK taxes on his share of the worldwide income.
jase
2016-11-06 17:18
I didn't think of that one - another bonus
etienne
2016-11-06 19:33
maxsuur [2:06 PM]
This is something we have barely spoken about here, but when you first mentioned to your family and friends that you'd go on your own, chasing that crazy idea that you were obsessively thinking about and ultimately running a business, how was that? Was it an easy transition in a fully supportive environment or most likely the opposite? I am interested in knowing your thoughts on the subject matter
etienne
2016-11-06 19:37
I am not from an entrepreneurial family? Honestly, the fact that I want to be an Entrepreneur do not bother my friends and family at all. Where it comes slightly more complicated is when I tell them that I am leaving for HK to start A PT lifestyle? No one really understands? except the ones walking the talk.
etienne
2016-11-06 19:46
our parents want the best for us... not knowing what we do, and not being able to give us advice makes them afraid I guess?
For myself, my parents wish me the best, but really do not understands why I chose that way of life? I know they dont want to see me failing somewhere they cannot help me, so? I just have to succeed. Sooner the better!
maxsuur
2016-11-06 20:04
Totally, to be honest this is such a disruptive way of life. But once you see it, you cannot not see it. It is like the truth was revealed to you. How do you go back to a normal lifestyle after that? It is impossible. It is like going from a 140 iq to a 70 iq right on the spot. I think in the US and Canada the idea of starting a business is something better received than here in europe. Some people have even demonized the process of business creation and running a profitable company. However they purchase the latest gadgets and criticize the thing from their iphones...
anna
2016-11-06 21:00
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simon
2016-11-06 21:00
@maxsuur A good analogy would be the bird one. We are all born in a cage and location independence has allowed us to break out of that cage and go wherever we want. Going back to that cage would be possible, maybe even comfortable, but not satisfying.
maxsuur
2016-11-06 22:15
Very true @simon I always have it on the back of my mind this way of life. When I discovered it, I would tell everybody, nowadays I prefer only talking about this with like-minded people. The majority would only break out the cage when there is no other option, and it is often too late.
rjmarsden
2016-11-07 04:44
@jase I'm a UK resident with LLP experience so let me know your thoughts
agalt
2016-11-07 07:42
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F2YDCHBPT/p_20161107_113854.jpg and commented: Apparently us diplomats have an interest in Tbilisi. Chevy suburban with bullet resistant glass and lights in the grill parked in front of tge marriot hotel in Tbilisi Georgia
2016-11-07 11:29
@josh commented on @agalt?s file https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/U1L4GV56C/F2YDCHBPT/p_20161107_113854.jpg: I'm more surprised when they DON'T have a presence in a country...
kl5340dc
2016-11-08 07:16
Recommended SIM Card for hong kong? Something for 2 weeks, just need a ton of data 4G that's it
kl5340dc
2016-11-08 07:16
Same for singapore/thailand
yura-by
2016-11-08 09:04
I usually check in this wiki before going to a new country: http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Hong_Kong
yura-by
2016-11-08 09:15
However I think nobody have good "tons of 4g data" plan (even in HK/Singapore). I would recommend getting 4g + Wi-Fi plan and to use Wi-Fi for heavy content.
simon
2016-11-08 10:21
@kl5340dc Personally I use CSL. It's 136 HKD for 6GB for 14 days. They have wifi access points everywhere with auto-connect so you only need LTE when on the move.
kl5340dc
2016-11-08 10:32
thanks
kl5340dc
2016-11-08 10:32
that sounds like great deal
simon
2016-11-08 10:35
Here's the card.
simon
2016-11-08 10:36
You can even make calls at no extra cost to: https://www.hkcsl.com/u/cms/pccw/201507/09123704vypl.pdf
simon
2016-11-08 10:36
China, Canada, USA, Singapore and Thailand.
maxsuur
2016-11-08 10:46
Hi @simon any new insight after yesterday's meeting?
simon
2016-11-08 13:18
@maxsuur The meeting went well, one of the LeapIN people will even join us here in the Club :slightly_smiling_face: As for Estonia, their focus seems very much on one person companies. As far as they could tell me, there is no clear way to sell an Estonian company or scale it. It's strange because it's a country we are talking about but the feeling I get here in Tallinn is that of a startup.
agalt
2016-11-08 14:04
A year of health insurance in Georgia costs less than 200 dollars if you are a resident and with that residency they dont tax foreign earned income.
jase
2016-11-08 14:08
Agreed @simon it looked interesting but as soon as we wanted more specific things from the company it was clear it wouldn't work.
jase
2016-11-08 14:08
But they have to start somewhere, at least they are innovating!
josh
2016-11-08 14:49
Uh oh now I have to check and see if I need to scrub any posts :wink:
kl5340dc
2016-11-08 19:46
@maxsuur I've purchased thrivesleads but not liking it much. Complex shit. Know anything else? Seeing optinmonster that looks good but it's subscription - hate that!
kl5340dc
2016-11-08 19:56
jase
2016-11-08 20:10
Sumome but be weary it's not as good as installing locally - everything is loaded off site so isn't performance optimized
simon
2016-11-08 20:46
Isn't Google cracking down on sites using these pop-ups? I seem to remember reading about it somewhere.
jase
2016-11-08 20:51
Yes, but they don't always have to pop up
jase
2016-11-08 20:52
CTA bars can be non obtrusive
darwin
2016-11-08 22:53
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maxsuur
2016-11-09 00:11
Mmmm
maxsuur
2016-11-09 00:12
I find thrive leads easy to use, full-features at a very reasonable cost
maxsuur
2016-11-09 00:13
Just give it some time, you may like it
maxsuur
2016-11-09 00:14
@kl5340dc:
maxsuur
2016-11-09 00:18
They have a knowledge base and a forum, and whatever you ask, they will promptly respond to it and solve the issue
maxsuur
2016-11-09 00:19
And they are constantly updating their products.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 00:32
But to be honest, that plugin you linked looks awesome too, and full of good reviews
kl5340dc
2016-11-09 07:03
@simon yeah, half the features those plugins provide we don't even use. We prioritize UX all the time, those intent popups ruin that. So don't use that, just the two step popup etc.
kl5340dc
2016-11-09 07:03
@maxsuur ok
maxsuur
2016-11-09 13:38
etienne
2016-11-09 13:44
Hahaha what a joke!!! I knew they never been on the right side of the border...
maxsuur
2016-11-09 13:53
Sure, maybe we could sell them some african passport
etienne
2016-11-09 14:04
In that case it would be more fun to sell them UK passport. Not sure Americans will agreed though :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
etienne
2016-11-09 14:07
@agalt it Could also be a nice opportunity for you and your paradise :wink:
rjmarsden
2016-11-09 14:08
the exact same thing happened after Brexit with the Irish website, most of us Brits can find some Irish in us if needed :slightly_smiling_face:
etienne
2016-11-09 14:10
Always for the best eh? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
maxsuur
2016-11-09 14:37
Hehehe absolutely, I wish I had a more diverse ancestry, to apply for various interesting passports
agalt
2016-11-09 15:12
:smile:
jase
2016-11-09 15:17
Give it 2 weeks, they'll all forget
etienne
2016-11-09 15:18
Hahaha indeed! Easier forget than face truth!
jase
2016-11-09 15:19
i've found it fun to watch on socialmedia
jase
2016-11-09 15:19
everyone complaining also complained about brexit
jase
2016-11-09 15:19
none of these people have any control in their life
agalt
2016-11-09 15:21
its the same stuff every 4 years, different people promise better things, the peasants get screwed because the root of the problem most of the time is the culture (if I may guess), then it takes 30 years for that culture to die off and be replaced with people who remember the pain of being repressed by the people their parents voted into office.
agalt
2016-11-09 15:22
(this is why I like Balkan and post soviet countries) They remember the pain and don't want to go through it again.
etienne
2016-11-09 15:26
Never saw post soviet countries that way. Quite interesting!
agalt
2016-11-09 15:26
They are my personal favorite places to live
agalt
2016-11-09 15:27
the people are not soft and most of the time they are really sick of being treated like crap by goverment, and people very very rarely pay all of their taxes.
agalt
2016-11-09 15:28
there are very very few rules enforced in the balkans and eastern europe
agalt
2016-11-09 15:31
where do you spend your time mostly in the world @etienne
maxsuur
2016-11-09 15:39
I would bet that Canada @etienne , am I wrong?
etienne
2016-11-09 16:42
Absolutely not hehe!
etienne
2016-11-09 16:44
Do have to tell you that At least I love winter sports? Matter of facts it better that way haha
etienne
2016-11-09 16:53
@agalt I stayed in NZ for a year(in 2014) with a working Holliday Visa. That was my first real back pack experience. I became addicted. since then, I am in my home country working a way of becoming a PT! I am supposed to leave in a few days for HK too :blush:
etienne
2016-11-09 16:58
Btw, I already added Georgia and The Balkans to my list too. :wink:
agalt
2016-11-09 17:21
How was nz? Georgia is a great place to become a resident and do personal bankimg to get paid to a personal bank account via paypal. They will also open accounts for offshore companies.
agalt
2016-11-09 17:22
Bulgaria has a higher quality of life for the same $ but it is rasier to be left alone in Georgia. 360 fays visa on arrival also.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:01
that is awesome @etienne you seem to be an experienced traveler. btw @agalt does Georgia report bank transactions to other countries? that could be a good way for someone willing to start this lifestyle to offer some services/products on the internet and get paid through paypal with minimum govt interference.
etienne
2016-11-09 18:08
Nice to know! :blush: yea NZ is definitely a nice country! Part of commun welt so quite similar as Canada... vast territory and few people. Very scenic and the landscapes are breathtaking as well! I met a lot of people from all around the world. (Mostly Germans) I would love to live there. You can ride your snowboard and surfboard the same day so I would be blessed !!! The living cost just as expensive as it is in Australia though or even more expensive... that's a bummer
agalt
2016-11-09 18:14
@maxsuur the short answer to your question is "not really" they dont have the ability to look up the same name holding different accounts if they dont have your right number of your ID card vs your passport number (different numbers). They can report the information if they are asked, but you have to be moving more than 200,000 usd a year to really raise any eyebrows. Lawyers have told me this quietly but it is one of those things where the politicians don't really care as long as you are not making millions of dollars a year, and if you are, they are happy to open a bank account with merchant account services for your offshore company.
agalt
2016-11-09 18:14
@maxsuur thats what I do :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-11-09 18:16
it is not possible to link a corprate bank card to a paypal account in georgia... so if anyone complains... it was not made available to you to do.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:16
that combined with a tourist visa on arrival of 365 days is nearly unbeatable. I can see the country becoming the new location-independent hub
agalt
2016-11-09 18:17
it is a fantastic place. there are no requirements for being a resident there also as far as days you need to be here per year.
agalt
2016-11-09 18:17
most apartments are rented in cash, and most bills are paid in cash
agalt
2016-11-09 18:17
you can come here and drop off the map
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:18
I love that. It's good to know there are still some places in the world where you can relive "the good ol' days.."
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:18
*revive
agalt
2016-11-09 18:18
the georgian residency card also works for getting into turkey without any passport stamp. as soon as you get to turkey you can hop on a ship and go anywhere
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:19
last time I went to istanbul, I had to pay a 15 eur fee
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:19
so, it's quite a plus
jase
2016-11-09 18:19
Do you need to get a visa to transit through istanbul?
agalt
2016-11-09 18:20
@jase can you rephrase that question. i do not understand
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:20
well, I just entered the country
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:20
So I paid that amount of money for the visa
jase
2016-11-09 18:21
If I catch a plane from europe to africa via turkey but don't leave the airport, do i need to pay $$ to transit in the airport?
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:21
I guess not, but I am not sure
jase
2016-11-09 18:21
In US it's required from memory
agalt
2016-11-09 18:21
oh no
agalt
2016-11-09 18:21
there is no fee
agalt
2016-11-09 18:21
i fly through istanbul frequently
jase
2016-11-09 18:21
nice
agalt
2016-11-09 18:21
its a creepy place though
agalt
2016-11-09 18:22
bunch of guys in cargo pants, "shooters shirts" oakleys and beards
jase
2016-11-09 18:22
odd
jase
2016-11-09 18:22
imma see if i can get a half decent falafel plate in the airport
jase
2016-11-09 18:22
seems like the thing to do :smile:
simon
2016-11-09 18:23
I paid around 60$ I think, in Turkey. Canada and Australia had to pay this higher fee, for some reason.
agalt
2016-11-09 18:23
if you go up top past the flight information desk there is a place with a bunch of cafes including a starbucks and some other stuff
jase
2016-11-09 18:23
Dammit
agalt
2016-11-09 18:23
they used to scan your bags when you transfered, and last time i was there they didnt scan anything
jase
2016-11-09 18:23
I need that second passport
simon
2016-11-09 18:23
@jase You can transit airside in IST.
jase
2016-11-09 18:24
ah ok, awesome
jase
2016-11-09 18:24
thx
agalt
2016-11-09 18:24
come get a 2nd passport in georgia
agalt
2016-11-09 18:24
im applying for mine this month
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:24
we are fleeting a bus to get those georgian passports. The Freedom Surfer Crew
jase
2016-11-09 18:25
I'm eligible for Italian citizenship through marriage
jase
2016-11-09 18:25
My wife doesn't speak Italian though >.<
agalt
2016-11-09 18:25
come in this winter and we will get everyone in a law office and the right letters of recomendation
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:25
I guess her ancestors are italian
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:25
is she from the US, right?
jase
2016-11-09 18:25
Nah we're both Aussies
agalt
2016-11-09 18:26
australia is a decent passport :slightly_smiling_face:
simon
2016-11-09 18:26
@agalt Do keep us updated on your application. We can figure out exactly what is what when we have more info. How long it takes exactly, success rate etc. First hand experience.
agalt
2016-11-09 18:26
the general rule of thumb is apply for citizenship 6 months after you are a resident
agalt
2016-11-09 18:27
you can buy a property and run 10-15,000 usd through your business and make a bunch of friends and apply earlier
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:27
@jase the schengen area is very tempting :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-11-09 18:27
instant citizenship also if you want to buy a 150,000 dollar property (the returns are good on properties like these also)
agalt
2016-11-09 18:28
oh.... and no extradition
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:28
like Brazil
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:28
Pablo escobar would have killed for that (literally)
agalt
2016-11-09 18:28
lol
jase
2016-11-09 18:29
@maxsuur for people with big money not too adventurous, Switzerland is a good option with that EU passport
jase
2016-11-09 18:30
Italians passport holders get special visas for Panama too
simon
2016-11-09 18:31
@agalt For that price I'd recommend Dominica. It's cheaper, fully endorsed by the government and with the passport you can live anywhere in the CARICOM countries. There are true tax havens in CARICOM, like Bahamas and St Kitts.
agalt
2016-11-09 18:31
yes, agreed
agalt
2016-11-09 18:31
dominica is still like 135k
agalt
2016-11-09 18:31
with georgia you can sell your property after you get citizenship though
jase
2016-11-09 18:32
could do that anywhere, right?
agalt
2016-11-09 18:32
I love bulgaria also.... not a one country guy :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:32
you can even flip it for a profit, wouldn't that be sweet @agalt ?
jase
2016-11-09 18:32
once you're a citizen they're stuck with you?
agalt
2016-11-09 18:32
if you do something really dumb they can tell you to go away
jase
2016-11-09 18:33
for a while anyway - a few countries were considering second class citizens
agalt
2016-11-09 18:33
but you have to be absolutely blatantly stupid
simon
2016-11-09 18:33
@agalt But the Dominica passport grants you visa-free travel to Schengen, UK, Singapore etc. What bugs me with Georgia is that the program is very "uncertain" and the passport doesn't offer a lot of benefits. At 5k it's a great deal though.
agalt
2016-11-09 18:34
it is a great "starting out" digital nomad second passport
jase
2016-11-09 18:34
How much for the Dominican passport @simon? Any time commitment?
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:34
I like the idea of having a back up-insurance policy passport in case of a catastrophe or something truly unexpected
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:35
a brazilian one would be awesome
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:35
for the extradition thing
jase
2016-11-09 18:35
It sounds nuts, but I think a lot of people would have liked another passport in Germany last century
agalt
2016-11-09 18:35
yup, brazil would make it easy to dissapear into the rest of south america as well
jase
2016-11-09 18:35
Thanks @simon
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:35
sure @jase
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:35
passport party
agalt
2016-11-09 18:36
@jase it makes sense. its not the focus of our lives, but 3 decent ones makes it easier to sleep at night
simon
2016-11-09 18:38
If you can get it without having to sacrifice too much then yeah it makes sense to get a second passport. It can also help you bypass geographical restrictions. If you have an EU and a Chilean passport for example, you can live anywhere on two continents. That's pretty neat.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:38
Sure! That is what I'd like to aim for
jase
2016-11-09 18:38
Do you guys drive much? (have licenses)?
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:38
just need the south american one
jase
2016-11-09 18:38
I've been looking into the reciprocal license exchange program
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:38
I have a mexican driving licence (not valid in Spain though)
jase
2016-11-09 18:39
I think I can swap my Australian license for a UK license
jase
2016-11-09 18:39
not sure if I have to prove residency or not
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:39
there is this international driving licence thing
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:39
you apply for this, and it is valid up to a year
jase
2016-11-09 18:39
you need an underlying license though
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:39
like in 163 countries or so
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:40
you'd need your australian licence and this international one
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:40
applying in your country
agalt
2016-11-09 18:40
chile is very interesting.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:40
and show that to the police officer while sober
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:40
and then, no problem
jase
2016-11-09 18:40
yeah - I want to get rid of the Australian license - best to sever the ties to Australia for tax purposes
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:40
ahh I understand now
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:41
cool
agalt
2016-11-09 18:41
you can get a driving liscense in georgia...
agalt
2016-11-09 18:41
there are no rules on the road so it is very difficult to fail the test
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:41
I'd go to Georgia just for that
agalt
2016-11-09 18:41
then use that to get the international liscense
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:41
but you need to get a residency right
agalt
2016-11-09 18:41
correct
agalt
2016-11-09 18:42
so come here and follow simons guide
simon
2016-11-09 18:42
@jase Are Australian licenses like in Canada, issued by provinces/states?
jase
2016-11-09 18:42
@simon yes
jase
2016-11-09 18:42
I actually exchanged one for a BC license
jase
2016-11-09 18:42
Then got a reprint :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:42
that is what happens in Mexico, and that's why they are not valid in the EU for more that 6 months or so
jase
2016-11-09 18:42
But my BC license expired - I might try and renew it when I'm back in Canada, but it's been expired for at least 3 years now
agalt
2016-11-09 18:42
ill help you get a lawyer and take care of stuff when you land @maxsuur after that you just walk into the goverment offices and smile and nod while the lawyers speak for you
maxsuur
2016-11-09 18:43
I can do that pretty well @agalt
agalt
2016-11-09 18:43
usually ill walk in with tea and pull out my phone and pretend to be busy with something
agalt
2016-11-09 18:43
then when they ask questions i shrug my shoulders and look at my attorney so he can answer them for me
simon
2016-11-09 18:44
I'd recommend going for a UK license though. It's much easier to use it in foreign countries, in fact it can even be used in a lot of countries without an international license.
jase
2016-11-09 18:44
Yeah, that's my plan
agalt
2016-11-09 18:44
how do we get a uk liscense?
jase
2016-11-09 18:44
There's no mention of residency in their exchange program
agalt
2016-11-09 18:45
can someone walk in with an american liscense and swap it?
agalt
2016-11-09 18:48
most of the us id cards look fake. it is kind of embarrassing. Mine does not have a chip in it like most of the euro id cards
simon
2016-11-09 18:49
@simon uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/simon/F2ZRM6X40/license.png
simon
2016-11-09 18:50
@jase They ask for your residency status on the site but I'm not sure how thorough their checks are. If simply having a UK proof of address would be enough or if you absolutely need to show a residence permit.
jase
2016-11-09 18:51
Really I should just go for this Andorran driving test
jase
2016-11-09 18:51
It's just a pain - no one seems to know what I need to do
agalt
2016-11-09 18:51
are you a resident of andora @jase ?
jase
2016-11-09 18:51
yep
simon
2016-11-09 18:51
@jase Seems like a lot of the processes we take for granted are a pain in Andorra :stuck_out_tongue:
jase
2016-11-09 18:52
Well yes and no - getting residency took 2 weeks
agalt
2016-11-09 18:52
resideny is a deposit and starting a company?
jase
2016-11-09 18:52
It's incredibly efficient for a very bureaucratic country :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-09 18:53
Was also thinking next time I'm in NZ I'll swap an Aussie license for one as Australians can become NZ residents without any paperwork
agalt
2016-11-09 18:54
found it. nvm. it looks like an interesting process
jase
2016-11-09 18:54
(not selling anything)
jase
2016-11-09 18:56
Some tax information was omitted - the general public doesn't like to hear about that stuff
jase
2016-11-09 18:56
? Personal income between EUR 0 and EUR 24,000: 0% (first EUR 24,000 is tax-exempt);
? Personal income between EUR 24,001 and EUR 40,000: 5%;
? Personal income exceeding EUR 40,000: 10%.
jase
2016-11-09 18:56
Andorran company tax, 10% before deductions. 2% for holding companies. Seems to be a lot of exemptions happening to get the rate to 2%.
simon
2016-11-09 18:59
@jase That's great, even lower than Bulgaria. And your photos are great (the ones on Instagram too), it looks like a beautiful country. Is French widely spoken?
jase
2016-11-09 19:00
French is widely known and spoken a lot
jase
2016-11-09 19:00
Typically they'll speak Catalan - when you tell them in terrible Spanish that you don't speak Catalan they ask if you speak French
jase
2016-11-09 19:01
I'm sure 75%+ speak French
jase
2016-11-09 19:02
Anyone under the age of 30 knows at least broken English, Anyone under 20 is fluent English/Catalan/Spanish/French
jase
2016-11-09 19:02
Government employees only speak Catalan :smile:
simon
2016-11-09 19:05
Awesome! Although I bet they do not understand Canadian French anyway. The French from France already struggle to understand me. Sometimes I just default to English as its less trouble.
jase
2016-11-09 19:05
Lots of Portugese here too
jase
2016-11-09 19:06
Surely it would help
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:45
@simon so you are completely bilingual in english and french? which canadian region is good to grown up at to attain that?
simon
2016-11-09 19:51
New Brunswick, Quebec and Ontario are the only provinces with a significant French-speaking population. Personally, I lived in Montreal QC for many years. You can walk into any shop there and speak in either English or French. It's up to you, nearly everyone speak both. Outside of Montreal it's all French though. Spanish is widely taught in schools too, at least in Quebec.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:53
That is amazing. I am fascinated with languages. For many people here (not basques or catalans) the idea of speaking another language (especially english) is some sort of magic. Even for people here speaking catalan or basque, they often struggle with foreign languages
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:54
it also makes sense, that spanish is taught in Canada. Especially if they want to get a south american passport
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:54
:stuck_out_tongue:
simon
2016-11-09 19:55
Yeah it's the idea that if you can speak French, English and Spanish you can live anywhere in the Americas (they always forget about Brazil :P)
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:56
sure! but man, knowing spanish, you learn portuguese in a month or two
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:56
it's that easy!
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:57
I am currently reading Pablo Escobar's biography written by his son in portuguese, and I understand it completely (never read in portuguese before though)
simon
2016-11-09 19:57
Nowadays some schools have started teaching mandarin too. My cousin who's in primary school is learning all four. I'm super jealous :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
simon
2016-11-09 19:57
It's that similar?
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:58
85% or more
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:58
it is unbelievably easy
simon
2016-11-09 19:59
You can probably understand French too, at least written French. A lot of words are similar in French and Spanish.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:59
and if you know french, you'll get a greater advantage when learning portuguese to a monolingual english speaker
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:59
absolutely
maxsuur
2016-11-09 19:59
I understand a lot
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:00
I have also learned a bit of french back in my school days
simon
2016-11-09 20:01
So I guess Portuguese is the most common second language in Spain?
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:01
at all
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:01
People underrate the portuguese language because Portugal is our neighbour
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:02
I'd say that the most common second language could be English (taught in schools nationally), French too
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:02
but by region is catalan and basque
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:02
*it is
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:03
I see languages just like the residency/passport thing
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:04
one language leads to another. If you know english, you can learn german more easily, once you know german, swedish becames much more manageable, and then norwegian, and so on
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:04
so everytime you add some understanding of a new language to your knowledge base you open a vast array of untapped potential/possibilites/connections
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:05
but you know, people prefer keep paying high taxes at home, getting screwed by the govt and being monoliingual..
simon
2016-11-09 20:05
Some are challenging though. I really struggled when I first moved to China. The way their language works is completely different.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:06
yes... it could be mind-breaking
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:06
asian languages are way more different than indo-european ones, though
simon
2016-11-09 20:08
I guess for you going to the Americas is a bit like me going to France, language-wise. You can understand each other but it's not entirely the same language.
simon
2016-11-09 20:09
Lots of local words too, and expressions
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:09
the same thing. there are some misunderstandings. Lots of slang, accents, implied meanings, puns, local jokes etc
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:10
and that's just in Mexico (where I lived for a while), I am sure If I went to Argentina, I would acquire a new lingo there, given I am patient enough for thar
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:11
*that , If I weren't for the Americas, the spanish language would be as spoken as italian is nowadays
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:11
pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
simon
2016-11-09 20:17
Yes, like French. French used to be a big deal back in the days but now it's only spoken in France, parts of other countries and a few African countries. English, Spanish, Chinese and Arabic are pretty much it nowadays.
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:19
sure, relieving to know that at least a 50% of the world is covered :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:20
I always wanted to learn to speak russian because of its beauties
maxsuur
2016-11-09 20:20
but the winter there is tough and the language too. although women are a huge motivator...
simon
2016-11-09 21:22
Definitely :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: what's funny is when you go somewhere that speaks the same language as you but you pretend you don't. I do that all the time in France. People speak their mind in front of me thinking I can't understand. That gives me a great advantage hehe
simon
2016-11-09 21:23
Russia would be an interesting place to do that :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
maxsuur
2016-11-09 21:36
hahaha, I have done it too a number of times. A few years ago I pretended to be a portuguese guy who'd only speak english, in a nightclub. I ended up flirting with a spanish girl, and i overheard her saying to a girl friend of her that she'd bang me that night. And she was right. got her home and the rest is history. Sometimes, it gives you a rather unfair advantage over them :stuck_out_tongue:
etienne
2016-11-09 22:20
I hope you spoke with her in Spanish just right after she got what she deserve :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
maxsuur
2016-11-09 22:33
Hahaha, with a perfect southern spanish accent. She inspired me to learn the language overnight. Literally.
etienne
2016-11-10 00:03
Hahaha I can't wait to learn a language overnight :stuck_out_tongue:
harvie
2016-11-10 03:14
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agalt
2016-11-10 06:55
Understanding a little bit or Russian is enough to be charged a fair price for cab. Last night the driver was lazy and didnt hear the 3rd "1" on my addres, so he charged me 5 lari for a 7 lari cab ride. He was swearing the rest of the way there when he realized it was "edin, edin, edin" not "edin edin" good times.
maxsuur
2016-11-10 09:15
@agalt: how widespread is the use of the English language in Georgia?
agalt
2016-11-10 09:27
in the younger generations, and people at public offices, banks, resturants, stores, etc it is very good 90% however with the common people it is quite bad if they are older than 40 years
agalt
2016-11-10 09:27
knowing a little russian goes a long way
maxsuur
2016-11-10 09:28
Yes, the same thing happened in Romania, i'd say that most of eastern europe is that way
maxsuur
2016-11-10 09:30
It'd be cool if you did a guest post on simon's blog talking about Georgia. You know a lot of the benefits for the Digital Nomad and are very passionate about it
maxsuur
2016-11-10 09:33
Cool! I was not that misguided then hehe
agalt
2016-11-10 09:33
I have another article I can post that is more about the people, culture and food, ease of life, etc
maxsuur
2016-11-10 09:34
Yes, that's what I was thinking about
agalt
2016-11-10 09:34
ill post it on my site though, and if he wants to share that is his decision.
maxsuur
2016-11-10 09:35
Sure man, PM please your site, I'd love to check it out
agalt
2016-11-10 13:34
this looks a lot like St. Louis where I grew up, only it is Chicago, Illinois instead.... http://www.infowars.com/shock-video-black-mob-viciously-beats-white-trump-voter/
jase
2016-11-10 15:30
WhatsApp is used so much in Europe, I need it on my PC
rik
2016-11-10 15:56
I just use the windows whatsapp app, not tried Franz though
maxsuur
2016-11-10 16:15
Mmm sounds cool
maxsuur
2016-11-10 16:16
Even for linux, I may give this a go...
maxsuur
2016-11-10 16:17
Have you used it @jase ?
jase
2016-11-10 16:44
Been in a conference call since I discovered it :disappointed:
maxsuur
2016-11-10 16:44
Ahhh cool
maxsuur
2016-11-10 16:53
Just got a chance to try it and it is working seamlessly
maxsuur
2016-11-10 16:53
Too good to be true ;)
agalt
2016-11-10 19:43
Wait what... Works in linux :smiley:
maxsuur
2016-11-10 19:57
Yes man, i downloaded the 64bit version for ubuntu
maxsuur
2016-11-10 19:57
So unusual!
agalt
2016-11-11 17:42
looking for a vote of thumbs up or thumbs down. Which people in this group like to ski or snowboard?
etienne
2016-11-11 21:22
Don't tell me your planning on coming here in Canada for winter?
maxsuur
2016-11-11 22:35
probably a georgian winter sports retreat :wink:
stoplight
2016-11-12 08:46
Hi @etienne ..which part of Canada are you in? Will be in B.C. next month for the holidays.. :slightly_smiling_face:
etienne
2016-11-12 14:26
Hey @stoplight, I'm in Qc (The province of Quebec) on the East Coast. There is no snow yet. Would have been nice to have a few drinks but I'll be in HK or Thailand. I am swapping the snow for a warm beach... :blush:
etienne
2016-11-12 14:30
If your journey brings you in Thailand we could meet there too!
darwin
2016-11-12 17:09
:coffee:What are your favorite locations to pick up coffee beans?:coffee:
etienne
2016-11-12 17:11
A coffe shop ? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
etienne
2016-11-12 17:12
Where you from bro?
agalt
2016-11-12 17:53
depends on where you are in the world. The Balkans, and the Caususes have amazing coffee. The best double espresso to date has been in Slovenia or the Republic of Georgia :slightly_smiling_face:
darwin
2016-11-12 19:29
I'm based in the US but always interested in bringing some beans home or shipping them in if they're worth it.
yamahoto
2016-11-13 00:23
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stoplight
2016-11-13 01:19
@etienne ..oh too cold for me?haha?currently enjoying the warm South Pacific weather now..will be trading it for some bit of cold come next month..hehe.. :slightly_smiling_face:
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:48
I'm from Quebec City guys!
simon
2016-11-14 13:51
@yamahoto Me and @etienne are both from Victo :wink:
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:51
Glad to hear that I'm currently in my Tesla driving to Granby
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:52
Right next to Victo
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:52
:wink:
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:52
There was a funny TV show from Victo which I loved before
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:52
don't remember the name!
simon
2016-11-14 13:53
Les Chick'n Swell?
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:53
Yes!
simon
2016-11-14 13:54
They are quite famous in Victo, the local celebrity! Are you using the auto-pilot?
simon
2016-11-14 13:54
I've always wondered if it would be able to handle Quebec roads + winter :stuck_out_tongue:
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:54
Unfortunatly I have a 2013
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:54
They dont have the hardware
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:55
2014+ all have it
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:55
So yeah, my wife is driving
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:55
that's my autopilot
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:55
She can handle everything
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:56
BTW, I'm gonna start you course soon
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:56
I'm wondering where I shall move in 2-3 years
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:56
to lessen the taxes
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:56
and be in good confort
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:56
and no storm problems
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:56
and good schools for kids
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:56
:wink:
simon
2016-11-14 13:57
Yeah and better weather? :slightly_smiling_face: That was an even bigger motivation than taxation, for me.
agalt
2016-11-14 13:57
you could look at Simon's article on the republic of georgia. it is 60* fahrenhight most days so far this week durring the day https://www.freedomsurfer.com/georgia/
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:58
yeah weather is important
agalt
2016-11-14 13:58
no taxes on foreign earned incomd as a resident. then live in europe and asia during the winter and still be a tax resident in georgia and earn all of your incomd overseas
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:58
i love california weather
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:59
without the drought
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:59
id stay in americas if possible
yamahoto
2016-11-14 13:59
to ease the family visits
yamahoto
2016-11-14 14:00
especially considering the unsure political tensions that could arise in europe anytime soon
simon
2016-11-14 14:00
@yamahoto After you've completed the course, come and talk to me in private here on Slack. We can do a voice call in French, could even do a conference call with @etienne.
yamahoto
2016-11-14 14:00
Great !
yamahoto
2016-11-14 14:00
Yeah
yamahoto
2016-11-14 14:00
Enjoy your day guys
simon
2016-11-14 14:01
@yamahoto You too!
etienne
2016-11-14 15:32
Yeaa would be nice indeed guys!
btw, speaking of Chick'n Swell, a mom of one of the members often stop to my bloc appartment to see her friend whos my tenant :stuck_out_tongue:
Have a great day too guys! @yamahoto & @simon
agalt
2016-11-15 09:16
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F3203PHK3/screenshot_2016-11-15-13-14-42.jpg
simon
2016-11-15 09:28
@agalt that is indeed a great deal, especially if the wi-fi is fast!
agalt
2016-11-15 09:35
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F31UTJZNU/speedtestcafe.png and commented: slower than usual today but the enviroment is good
agalt
2016-11-15 09:37
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F32NRE9PF/screenshot_2016-11-15-13-35-15.jpg
agalt
2016-11-15 09:39
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F320BTNTB/2016-11-15_13.38.03.jpg
alexanderhay
2016-11-15 16:13
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jase
2016-11-15 17:16
Anyone interested in farmland/agriculture?
agalt
2016-11-15 17:17
always :smile: where are your favorite 3 places to look at land @jase
jase
2016-11-15 17:18
I look at lots of things, not sure where I'd buy to be honest.
jase
2016-11-15 17:18
With population growth, you know farming is going to be important in the future, yet farmers everywhere still seem to be struggling
agalt
2016-11-15 17:24
a few times ago in slovenia there was a guy who was working for a startup in the UK that was farming in old computer factories in china trying ot utilize AI to grow food more efficiently
agalt
2016-11-15 17:25
not a bad grow method for the masses, but i think that countries that have rich soil will still fill the niche high end market with traditional farming methods
jase
2016-11-15 17:26
Yeah I think greenhouse is as advanced as I'd consider
agalt
2016-11-15 17:27
geodesic domes like buckminster fuller?
jase
2016-11-15 17:27
Still keen on the idea of desalination greenhouses... buy land where clean water is hard to come by, but it's next to the ocean
agalt
2016-11-15 17:27
Africa....
jase
2016-11-15 17:28
Possibly
jase
2016-11-15 17:28
Even Spain could be an option
jase
2016-11-15 17:28
Australia definitely
maxsuur
2016-11-15 18:55
I may inherit some land in Spain in a non very distant future
maxsuur
2016-11-15 18:55
So let's see
agalt
2016-11-15 19:10
Inheritance of land is fun until you realize your family did tax planning for themselves and thought it was your responsibility from a young age to create trusts, partnerships, and corporations by yourself to protect assets you didnt know about.
maxsuur
2016-11-15 19:18
Absolutely and that is what I plan to do
maxsuur
2016-11-15 19:19
Thankfully I am more aware than the rest to make it happen properly
jase
2016-11-15 19:42
Whereabouts @maxsuur ? (general region is fine)
etienne
2016-11-15 21:01
Maybe not really lucrative, but still interesting!
agalt
2016-11-15 22:06
Awesome ideas in that concept! Exit strategy plan in South America anyone https://permies.com/forums?
agalt
2016-11-15 22:07
Earth ships are fantastic concepts :)
maxsuur
2016-11-16 00:43
@jase in andalusia (southern mainland spain)
jase
2016-11-16 07:20
Is it for farming? Is tourism possible @maxsuur ?
maxsuur
2016-11-16 09:07
Cuerrenty It is being used especially for for farming, but I can see the tourism option working out well too, due to not being very distant from the city
maxsuur
2016-11-16 09:08
My uncle is planting almond trees which he says in a five year period will provide him with a substantious ROI
maxsuur
2016-11-16 09:09
I am open to new possibilities, especially interested in learning the sophisticated techniques the israeli farmers employ to cultivate in such harsh conditions in the neguev desert and so on
maxsuur
2016-11-16 09:10
Maximum eficiency with as little water as possible
jase
2016-11-16 11:00
Yes @maxsuur ! You're on the money with Israeli techniques and also check into permaculture in Jordan
jase
2016-11-16 11:01
In another life I'm going to buy some absolutely "worthless" land and turn it into profitable crops that actually helps the landscape
jase
2016-11-16 12:55
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F339JLL1Y/-.txt and commented: I am in no way affiliated with this ad, but thought it may be useful to people in the group having trouble getting established.
maxsuur
2016-11-16 12:56
Thanks @jase I am willing to even do a workaway stay there to learn the techniques ;)
agalt
2016-11-16 16:31
started using http://bitrix24.com for company and task management. it make things very easy to assign tasks to co-workers and employees. synchs with google callendar, google drive, generally makes things simple to work on projects. Anyone else have experience with this product?
maxsuur
2016-11-16 19:51
Haven't used it, but looks fine
jase
2016-11-16 20:00
I read the website and couldn't figure out what it did
jase
2016-11-16 20:01
Then I watched the video and all I could think about was his lips weren't sync'd
jase
2016-11-16 20:01
Then the video ended, I still don't know what it does
maxsuur
2016-11-16 20:06
So many apps, sometimes it just gets overwhelming
maxsuur
2016-11-16 20:06
And I am often the type of guy who cannot resist what's new
agalt
2016-11-16 20:07
it is a web client/ android/ ios app to manage employees, tasks, google callendar, and your emails for a company, it alllows you to keep track of everything you need in a business
jase
2016-11-16 20:08
Sounds like Google Chrome
jase
2016-11-16 20:08
:joy: :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-11-16 20:08
@alexanderhay recomended it to me, and it gives me piece of mind that it is based out of russia instead of the ussa
agalt
2016-11-16 20:10
guess we don't have a lot of americans in here, but I am looking forward to renouncing my us citizenship in a couple of years
jase
2016-11-16 20:11
I'm confused
jase
2016-11-16 20:12
It links Google Calendar/Gmail, has iPhone/Android Apps
jase
2016-11-16 20:12
All data stored in the USA
agalt
2016-11-16 20:13
if you dont use google's services on there and use others it is alright
agalt
2016-11-16 20:14
some of you may like that it uses google stuff that is why i mentioned it
agalt
2016-11-16 20:14
here is a screenshot
agalt
2016-11-16 20:14
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F347J31GX/bitrix.png
maxsuur
2016-11-16 20:42
It seems nice, the "bit" thing kind of related to bitcoin, at first sight though
theremotetrip
2016-11-17 10:51
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agalt
2016-11-18 09:34
Would moneygram or payoneer be the best way to pay employees in Turkey (PayPal and skrill are blocked)
jase
2016-11-18 18:30
Happy Friday all :+1:
etienne
2016-11-18 19:55
:+1:
scorps
2016-11-19 15:24
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maxsuur
2016-11-19 18:41
Regards freedom fellas from Madrid, not as warm as the canary islands though
agalt
2016-11-19 18:42
in soviet georgia... temper keeps you warm :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-11-19 18:44
(typical Russian and old soviet block jokes) about weather and harsh conditions
maxsuur
2016-11-19 19:13
Hahha, vodka can help as well
jase
2016-11-19 19:14
Amazes me how much outrage there was over Brexit on social media, but not one single comment about this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/extreme-surveillance-becomes-uk-law-with-barely-a-whimper
gary
2016-11-19 19:47
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stoplight
2016-11-20 00:44
wow?big brother..UK edition?
josh
2016-11-20 01:52
Saw that last night, pretty terrifying. And with the US having given up control of the internet expect the noose to tighten globally. Soon going to be difficult to escape the dragnet. People should be enraged by this blatant destruction of privacy, but the media isn't telling them to be, so, nope.
I wonder what systems of communication the Soros / Rothschild / et al clan use though - I'm pretty sure they aren't using gmail or servers in their bathroom!
rjmarsden
2016-11-20 07:12
http://Protonmail.com for me, and your right @jase not a mention of that new law anywhere in the media here. I only know about it because of a colleague and now you :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-20 09:52
"In 2001, Borders agreed to hand over its online business to Amazon under the theory that online book sales were non-strategic and unimportant. Oops."
https://a16z.com/2016/08/20/why-software-is-eating-the-world/
alextrades
2016-11-20 16:56
lol
stoplight
2016-11-21 02:20
:joy:
jase
2016-11-21 14:04
Turkish vs Swiss vs Lufthansa flights to Singapore. I've only flown Lufthansa and the planes were new/service was good. Have heard Turkish have very new planes. Is it all the same?
jase
2016-11-21 14:04
Flying economy so leg room is a bonus
agalt
2016-11-22 05:58
@josh encrypted satellite phones are fairly common with tptb. Starlink makes some cool stuff. Viber over a vpn isnt horrible either if it is not super sensitive.
josh
2016-11-22 06:03
Yeah I guess if you're worth several trillion dollars then $536 per minute isn't a big deal. :laughing:
There's also Silent Circle / Blackphone. I'm not sure about Viber, Signal and Cyberdust seem more secure
josh
2016-11-22 06:04
But who knows if ANY of them are. If the alphabets decide to make their judgements retroactive once they figure out how to break all encryption then everything is compromised down the road. I'll keep my tinfoil hat :wink:
agalt
2016-11-22 06:05
I dont trust silent circle or that blackphone stuff. Friends from Israel used to use a highly modified nexus 4 Android phone. You can find spare parts and system boards online fir them which makes replacing the imei code fairly straightforward.
agalt
2016-11-22 06:07
"they" have quantum computers. Guess it is easuer to keep your head down and not upset them.
agalt
2016-11-22 06:09
Nothing replaces going for a walk & talk near running water without your phone with you.
josh
2016-11-22 06:25
For sure! Or getting in that moving water!
josh
2016-11-22 06:42
Why do you not trust Silent Circle @agalt ?
agalt
2016-11-22 07:13
personally, it doesn't do anything for me that i cant get done with my rooted and rom'd nexus 4 with all the google apps ripped out and the ability to flash a new imei number or take the phone apart and replace the system board. it is very hard to replace the privacy you get from a burner nokia phone with 2 sim cards and an sd card slot with no cameras that I am willing to deliver to customers with the landing packages.
agalt
2016-11-22 07:39
for your average person, the blackphone is a great thing to buy and not change anything else on.
josh
2016-11-22 07:57
I see. You're more technical than most though it seems. :sunglasses: do you think the Silent Circle founders are still connected to agencies and just acting like privacy advocates as a sort of money-making honeypot?
jase
2016-11-22 07:58
Doubtful. Most founders of those types of companies are staunch in their ethics
jase
2016-11-22 07:58
Usually they fold the company before give in
josh
2016-11-22 07:59
That's why I was wondering why not trust them. I mean you never know, but it seems you'd have to be pretty evil to put your face in that
agalt
2016-11-22 08:00
@josh don't know. Its not my concern as that is too far down the rabbit hole.
josh
2016-11-22 08:00
Tptb tend to hide in the shadows even
jase
2016-11-22 08:00
Doesn't mean they aren't a target
jase
2016-11-22 08:00
If you can quietly find an exploit, it's an amazing honeypot
josh
2016-11-22 08:00
I was just curious @agalt because you said you don't trust them. Thought maybe you had some info on something fishy
josh
2016-11-22 08:01
Kind of like the rumors about hushmail
agalt
2016-11-22 08:09
meh, im just some guy who helps people save time with travel. not connected enough to upset people or raise interest.
tal
2016-11-23 16:07
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agalt
2016-11-24 14:31
Happy Thanksgiving to those of you from the western world.
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:11
The same thing @agalt
jase
2016-11-24 17:18
Only in USA isn't it?
agalt
2016-11-24 17:20
think the canadians might celebrate it also
agalt
2016-11-24 17:23
kind of a dumb holliday if you think about it. the people who left England for lower taxes abused the Native Americans for awhile, then tried to make nice by cooking a bunch of food and drinking with them.
jase
2016-11-24 17:25
different data in canada from memory
jase
2016-11-24 17:25
same as Australia day - it's got a pretty bad vibe to be honest
agalt
2016-11-24 17:26
it is another excuse to eat a lot and drink excellent wine
jase
2016-11-24 17:26
rum and coke in australia
agalt
2016-11-24 17:27
do we have a #food section in here for instagram foodie posts?
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:30
cubalibre @jase and a little bit of sparkling mineral water
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:30
the mexican way
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:30
:wink:
agalt
2016-11-24 17:30
cubalibre ?
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:31
cubalibre(free cuba)=rum+coke
agalt
2016-11-24 17:31
aha
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:31
there is no coke in Cuba, because it is an american product
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:31
so, there's only rum there and you usually have it on the rocks
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:31
or directly from the bottle
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:31
serious stuff
agalt
2016-11-24 17:32
georgia has chacha and supposadly was one of the first places that started making whiskey. it is clear though like bulgarian Rakia
agalt
2016-11-24 17:33
these days I am happy with mineral water with gas and some fruit juice mixed in. the after affects on facebook and emails are less toxic.
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:33
raki/rakia is widespread through all of eastern europe
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:34
it's fundamentally the same liquor. it tastes like hell though
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:34
hahah, you bet!
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:34
the clarity of mind you get by only drinking mineral water is unparallel
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:35
so, I am on team still water too
agalt
2016-11-24 17:35
girlfriends dad put a bottle on the table and asked me to take shots the first time i met him. out of curtosy i had one then grabbed a bottle of sparkling mineral water and said, "ok we can talk now"
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:37
your passage rite to become part of the family, through alcohol like good ol' men were made :stuck_out_tongue:
agalt
2016-11-24 17:37
LOL :joy:
maxsuur
2016-11-24 17:38
hahaha
maxsuur
2016-11-25 16:48
Yesterday I was watching a Frank Kern Video Training, and he said that he modified his persona from being an aloog long-hair surfer internet marketer type of guy to a classy & wise businessman, his audience changed as well, and he's less concerned with marketing launches and more with making automated sales, creating a reputable brand and doing something meaningful.
This got me thinking of the switch from the "digital nomad" space to the "location-independent" one, by that I mean, the transition from being a clueless and desperate single guy who's trying to make a blog from thailand, lives in a backpacker hostel, eats noodles and try to the save every penny to the guy who is successful, travels the world, meets with high-profile people, do business and in general (lives the location-independent lifestyle) and probably have a girlfriend wife and is planning to have kids too.
maxsuur
2016-11-25 16:50
I think we are going to experience a rise of families on-the-go. People who are not satisfied with the current status quo and are willing to leave their countries in search of better oportunities for them and their kids, tech savy and not afraid of clashing into a new culture and prosper using the new technologies
maxsuur
2016-11-25 16:50
what do you guys think?
agalt
2016-11-25 16:53
great perspective. There is a big difference between how you present yourself. You can still live out of two bags, but looking like you are a going on a camping trip makes people not take you seriously. Wearing a sport coat when I fly also makes the airport security people treat me better and opens more conversation doors with the people around you than the typical dirty hippie on the plane
maxsuur
2016-11-25 16:55
Absolutely. So it seems that a a new trend is emerging, in the spanish world, the "4 hour workweek" is all the rage, and I can see that the anglosaxon market is focused now on the "purpose/meaningful" thing
jase
2016-11-25 17:03
Absolutely @maxsuur, I'm living it :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-25 17:03
I went from professional world to "mountain bike/ski bum". It's fun, but it's clear everyone's getting by.
jase
2016-11-25 17:04
Lucky for me I had a professional background to fall back on - it's harder to do it the other way around
agalt
2016-11-25 17:05
spent a couple weeks paddling rivers in montana and wyoming in a kayack. a lot of people on the rivers were those that dropped out of the rat race from tech, banking, and medical fields
agalt
2016-11-25 17:08
Both groups of people have their qualities though. @jase would you say it is all about being able to blend in with both?
jase
2016-11-25 17:08
yeah absolutely. my dream is to be a highly connected, professional bike bum :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-25 17:08
the no stress lifestyle is incredible
jase
2016-11-25 17:09
but there's also a defeatist culture within them sometimes
jase
2016-11-25 17:09
a badge of honor in being poor
agalt
2016-11-25 17:09
yup that is the problem with it
jase
2016-11-25 17:09
if you're making money and in those circles you're denounced as a "sell out" or something
agalt
2016-11-25 17:10
yup. it is something you oftentimes need to be quiet about
agalt
2016-11-25 17:11
I grew up arround really affluent people in St. Louis, Missouri USA but it is mainly "old money" who knew how to be quiet about it. The "new money" was busy buying bmws and clothes at lacoste, nieman marcus, etc
agalt
2016-11-25 17:15
the local hospital would have fund raising dinners once a year at a golf course that was one of the oldest golf clubs in the midwest of the usa. you could tell the difference between the people. some of the most humble people at the dinner were dressed plainly, but they were writing large checks to the hospital for cancer reasearch. Bill Murray was there, but people didn't recognize him at first because he basicly hadn't shaved in a couple of days. Nothing wrong with dressing nice or looking sharp. Its just strange to see the differences
maxsuur
2016-11-25 17:45
Being flashy about the money you have only brings the attention needed if you are selling the lifestyle to your target prospects
maxsuur
2016-11-25 17:46
But if you have no business in selling it, i find way smarter to keep a low profile and then avoid unneeded attention
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 04:20
Yeah I noticed it too maybe two years ago or so, Frank suddenly dressing in expensive clothes, shopping at prada/louis vutton, the (russian?) silicone tits girlfriend who looks like she has expensive taste, ETC.
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 04:20
Frank is student of dan kennedy
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 04:21
he's about creating an image. Old frank: laid back cool surfer guy, I hardly work, look how much money I'm making, I'm not even that smart, I'm quite dumb in fact, if I can do it you too,
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 04:21
New frank: look at all my bling bling, look at my bling bling girlfriend, look at my bling bling house/car, I'll show you how to get bling bling to, signup here
jase
2016-11-26 09:53
Who is Frank? hahah
maxsuur
2016-11-26 09:54
Recently I have come to the conclusion that Frank is a genius, the guy has created a name for himself, and on the video was pressing all the right buttons to make my brain click,
maxsuur
2016-11-26 09:54
Frank kern is a well-known internet marketer
maxsuur
2016-11-26 09:54
Check him out
jase
2016-11-26 09:55
The story @kl5340dc tells reminds me of Tai Lopez :joy:
maxsuur
2016-11-26 09:56
Sure, it seems they all follow the same path
jase
2016-11-26 09:57
I'd actually like to work with a business coach at some stage, but finding someone that will legitimately help seems tough
maxsuur
2016-11-26 09:57
Agreed
maxsuur
2016-11-26 09:58
The thing is that people who are successful at whatever they are doing are pretty much busy with their own businesses to mentor others
jase
2016-11-26 09:58
absolutely
jase
2016-11-26 09:58
On the topic of image - I try and dress tidier nowadays
jase
2016-11-26 09:58
My own style, but the sort of clothes I can wear for a beer with a friend but also walk into a bank and not be laughed out (esp. given age)
jase
2016-11-26 09:59
Trying to socialise in circles where I can get better advice/referrals
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:01
It seems sensible, especially if it is for your own good. The guy behind KISS the band would say to always suit up, despite using tons of make-up on his performances
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:01
And he also never drank a drop of alcohol in his entire life
jase
2016-11-26 10:01
No kidding
jase
2016-11-26 10:01
I didn't know that
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:01
Really?
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:02
He wrote a book
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:02
Very blunt
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:02
:)
jase
2016-11-26 10:03
I like blunt ha
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:03
For example, enrique iglesias, pitbull, etc.. they all sell the dream of being famous, getting laid and partying the whole time. But this couldn't be further from the truth
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:04
They dont drink, they have a long-term wife/gf, exercise quite regularly and don't go to parties until 5 am
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:04
They all sell a fake dream, to make themselves rich
jase
2016-11-26 10:04
genius
jase
2016-11-26 10:05
Sounds like my instagram
jase
2016-11-26 10:05
I've been tempted to start an Instagram account that is just photos of me working/code/boring things :smile:
jase
2016-11-26 10:05
"doing paperwork again"
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:06
Haajajaha
jase
2016-11-26 10:06
"sending invoices yo!"
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:06
I want to be like you Jase
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:06
The invoicing lifestyle
jase
2016-11-26 10:06
ABB
jase
2016-11-26 10:07
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F36JE6A5P/pasted_image_at_2016_11_26_11_07_am.png
jase
2016-11-26 10:08
Reminds me of a freelancing video I watched years ago. The developer running the show quotes Goodfellas "f*ck you pay me"
jase
2016-11-26 10:09
Don't know how much freelancing you have done but certainly in the lower end clients are always making excuses as to why they can't pay
maxsuur
2016-11-26 10:10
That is always the issue with lower end clients and broke people. They want everything for free or nearly so
jase
2016-11-26 10:17
Yep
jase
2016-11-26 10:17
We only really work with 5-6 clients nowadays
jase
2016-11-26 10:17
Much less hassle
jase
2016-11-26 10:38
Anyone have interesting plans for 2017? Business growth? New product? New Market? Residency in a new country? Citizenship?
stoplight
2016-11-26 12:13
:+1:
agalt
2016-11-26 13:03
citizenship in georgia and perm residency in bulgaria :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:53
Frank is marketing
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:53
he's not going to tell you how to do a business
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:53
he's going to teach you how to sell and get some quick sales etc
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:54
Eben Pagan was better for info on how to build a business, I liked his style better
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:54
I've been to a few seminars of him
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:54
In the end none of them are going to fix your problems
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:54
got to fix it yourself
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:55
What Frank is really good at is selling his persona, and connecting with you, and then acting as if he's famous (which he kinda is meanwhile). People are buying to the persona.
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:56
It's not that he's not open about that this is his trick, he shares it here and there, but he's not emphasiing it. The lesson is that though if you learn anything - it's to build that big persona people can relate to. Strong before/after story etc
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:57
I would recommend Joseph Campbell literature on "The Hero Journey" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero's_journey
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:58
Notice they're always giving their before/after story etc. Like Frank how he got into problems with the FTC etc. Eben being poor growing up. It's all hero journey to make you relate. This stuff in movies and it works. If you think hard about your own life for a bit, yuo'll see you can share it in a way to hit the same points. I'm doing this in my own biz, it works really well.
kl5340dc
2016-11-26 13:59
it's competitive advantage as well, as you can copy the product, copy the marketing, but you can't copy the story - that will always be unique. The drawback is that you have to put yourself out there, so you'll get lots of fans, but also haters.
maxsuur
2016-11-26 14:14
I read dotcom secrets last year and crafted my own attractive character
maxsuur
2016-11-26 14:16
And the last part is what I think It is most difficult sometimes, but necessary, get your story out of there and repeat it ad nauseam, to reach a sufficient amount of people and make the whole endeavor profitable
maxsuur
2016-11-26 14:16
I will take a look at J campbell material. Thanks for the suggestion :)
maxsuur
2016-11-26 14:20
@maxsuur pinned a message to this channel.
jase
2016-11-26 14:27
Thanks @kl5340dc
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:08
It does get boring telling your same story every time and time again
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:08
But then you meet customers and you hear them bringing something up about themselves and relating it to you - and it's like, fuck this thing works
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:09
people buy from people they like and who are like them.
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:09
the book "Primal branding" is also okay
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:10
campbell's stuff goes deeper
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:10
movies like star wards, lord of the rings etc are based on campbell's concepts by the way
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:10
so it helps to rewatch those movies after reading campbell's work, and you'll see how much overlap there is between those two movies in how the story is told
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:11
those movies are popular because of those ingredients being present in those stories
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:11
like frodo and luke all being losers basically at the start of the story
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:11
being called to a journey, bu tnot wanting
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:11
then the unexpected happens and forces them to go, although they don't want ("the reluctant hero")
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:11
then the relationship with their mentor - obiwan and the sorcerer dude
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:12
it's hard to put everything in your own story, but you can put enough to make it work
kl5340dc
2016-11-27 08:13
I know this guy who split tests a lot. He split his newsletter into A) personal email from him B) emails from his company. A kept converting higher.
agalt
2016-11-27 08:16
branding yourself approperately also leads to different contacts. Digital Nomad vs PT
agalt
2016-11-27 08:17
what do you tell people on the planes when they ask what you do and where you live? That is the question I always struggle with.
maxsuur
2016-11-27 15:03
Castro's dead.
maxsuur
2016-11-27 15:03
What about bank account openings on the island?
maxsuur
2016-11-27 15:03
:palm_tree:
agalt
2016-11-27 15:04
Time for some Golf courses and resorts!
maxsuur
2016-11-27 15:08
The american way
agalt
2016-11-27 15:08
land of the fee home of the slave
maxsuur
2016-11-27 15:12
:robot_face:
josh
2016-11-27 15:30
@agalt I tell people I'm a citizen of planet earth and that I do "whatever it takes". Gets a variety of reactions. :wink:
@jase I hear you about the poverty mentality in action sports - whitewater is the same way. I had to in many ways create a fake persona just to relate without controversy with the "dirtbag paddler life" that most people embrace. Poverty is not a fucking badge of honor. But don't tell them that. :unamused:
josh
2016-11-27 15:34
There are people who enjoy action sports who are not dirtbags, but if you think about it, if you're going to be one of the top athletes you have to spend your waking hours honing your craft. So there's not a lot of time for "work". There are always exceptions though.
agalt
2016-11-27 15:35
There are some fantasic people in whitewater. Brad who runs this camp has given back so much and you would not know how sucessful he was if you met him on the street. These camps are incredible: http://firstdescents.org/who-we-are/our-staff/
jase
2016-11-27 15:37
I know some very wealthy mountain bikers. To them the competitions are only one part of the game
jase
2016-11-27 15:37
The best paid aren't race winners but instead overall personalities (events, videos, social media)
josh
2016-11-27 15:38
Yeah I was mainly talking about the top athletes. :) First Descents is very cool, I remember them from way back when. People who run companies or charities though obviously have a different mindset (for the most part).
agalt
2016-11-27 15:38
I attended a camp in montana and colorado with them
josh
2016-11-27 15:38
Right on!
josh
2016-11-27 15:39
Yeah @jase if they have Red Bull on their helmet they are probably doing alright. But Red Bull pushes their athletes to party hard
josh
2016-11-27 15:40
Which is similar to what you guys were talking about with marketing - they are pushing a hyped lifestyle
jase
2016-11-27 15:41
There's a MTB personality called Richie Schley. Back in the day he paid for a 2 page magazine spread, sick photo. He had no sponsors. By the time the year was out he was knocking back sponsorship
josh
2016-11-27 15:41
Clever
josh
2016-11-27 15:42
Self fulfilling prophecy
agalt
2016-11-27 15:42
brad who runs first descents is a super down to earth guy, turns out a cousin who does heli-sking in alaska met him one night at a party and brad was just like, "yeah, I fart arround on the river all day" when people asked him what he did.
josh
2016-11-27 15:43
Probably a nice ROI as well. It's kind of like the old adage about getting signed as a band - you have to gain a big regional following first. Perception is reality.
jase
2016-11-27 15:44
About to jump on a flight. Have a good night/day everyone :+1:
agalt
2016-11-27 15:44
enjoy your flight!
josh
2016-11-27 15:47
Yeah there are some good people in whitewater, but the industry in general is both at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of top athlete pay, and seems to have a much higher % of people who are proud to be poor and one with the earth.
I have a buddy down south who is well-off, but he had a crappy vehicle just for kayaking, because he got so much hate one time when he showed up in a nice SUV. People stopped paddling with him.
agalt
2016-11-27 15:48
subarus are always a safe bet
josh
2016-11-27 15:48
Haha yeah
agalt
2016-11-27 15:48
most of my family drives them so they don't look wealthy, same thing with old money georgians
josh
2016-11-27 15:48
Old money knows what's up.
agalt
2016-11-27 15:48
same thing in england as well that and volvo station wagons
josh
2016-11-27 15:49
In Cambodia there's a new class people call the Khmer Riche
josh
2016-11-27 15:49
A bit crass but apropos
josh
2016-11-27 15:49
Is that why Nigel Farage was driving a Volvo when his wheel came off?
agalt
2016-11-27 15:49
LOL
agalt
2016-11-27 15:50
the volvo survived i bet, the road may have a few dents in it (joke about volvo's being safe and strong)
josh
2016-11-27 15:51
Haha yeah they tried to kill him, but luckily he was in Volvo.
agalt
2016-11-27 15:51
i blew up a subaru engine at 130 miles an hour but that was a coolant problm. they are great cars
josh
2016-11-27 15:51
Were you rallying?
agalt
2016-11-27 15:52
open highway outside of st. louis at night. awd drifting through on and off ramps at 40mph sideways. the car had 140,000 miles on it to be fair
josh
2016-11-27 15:53
Sounds epic - I hope you had a radar detector
agalt
2016-11-27 15:54
escort passport 8500. didn't leave the house without it https://www.escortradar.com/passport8500x50/
agalt
2016-11-27 15:55
it was a week before i left america for good.
josh
2016-11-27 15:56
So you were kinda trying to blow up the car then :wink:
agalt
2016-11-27 15:57
I didn't really care a whole lot about anything. I was so happy to leave that damn country
josh
2016-11-27 15:58
Have you been back since you left? I mean for visits
agalt
2016-11-27 16:00
1 layover for 13 hours in NYC and i didn't leave the hotel.
agalt
2016-11-27 16:00
I'm not even going back for my dad's wedding this summer because its just not woth being around the people.
josh
2016-11-27 16:02
Wow! That's a strong stance. Respect though. Hard to go cold turkey like that
agalt
2016-11-27 16:06
some things are both a waste of time and money, going back to America falls in that catagory for me.
josh
2016-11-27 16:13
Can you get everything you want outside the US? I find there is still some organic stuff and supplements that I cannot find elsewhere. Much different now than a decade ago though, and much easier in Asia than LatAm. I didn't really check much in Europe because they were usually short trips and I'd pack all my crap with me haha
agalt
2016-11-27 16:22
everything that I need from the states i have sent to a mailbox in deleware that is managed by this company http://usa2georgia.com/ and it comes to a shipping facility in Tbilisi. As long as you declare it under 300 lari they don't inspect it for customs violations.
harvie
2016-11-28 06:53
Anyone in Taipei this week fancy a meetup or Singapore next week?
jase
2016-11-28 18:56
On looking like the everyman, I've been told that Andorran bankers aren't allowed to drive flashy cars. The Saab 9-5 was the car of choice for the longest time. High quality but not perceived to be expensive/luxury.
maxsuur
2016-11-29 13:11
What email platforms do you guys use for your communications? My email provider of choice is protonmail, its servers are located in Switzerland. A Private encrypted communication tool.
scorps
2016-11-30 03:55
Same here
rjmarsden
2016-11-30 08:48
same here, Proton works really well for me
rjmarsden
2016-11-30 08:49
that combined with the Wire app keeps me encrypted
jase
2016-11-30 16:14
I gave up on Protonmail - back on Gmail and I'm enjoying not being so paranoid :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-11-30 16:15
Gapps is awesome for work, the integration is unbelievably handy. It's part of a personal initiative to "stop doing things the hard way".
maxsuur
2016-11-30 17:30
@rjmarsden checking out the wire app. seems nice.
maxsuur
2016-11-30 17:31
why giving up on protonmail @jase ?
maxsuur
2016-11-30 17:32
to be honest, I am guilty as well of trying to do the most difficult things, sometimes merely to be inusual
rjmarsden
2016-11-30 19:05
same here @maxsuur as soon as something is too mainstream I have to move on :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-11-30 19:23
Interesting. Wire seems to be a bit off of the radar
rjmarsden
2016-11-30 19:26
how do you mean?
maxsuur
2016-11-30 19:28
A bit unknown, so that is a plus
jase
2016-11-30 22:37
I can't find the Reddit post but then they were getting their android and apple apps approved there was a post that eluded to an agreement they made to become approved in the app stores. After hushmail it's made me realise that if they do have agreements with governments often part of the conditions it that they cant publicly comment on them anyway.
jase
2016-11-30 22:38
I am not doing anything illegal. Better off making life easier for myself knowing full well that most governments are reading my emails.
agalt
2016-11-30 22:53
what purpose does reddit serve for you @jase
agalt
2016-11-30 22:58
just got back from dinner with a georgian guy who worked in banking at a large bank here and is farily plugged in to how things work with the revenue service here and how things work with startups and goverment here. Summary: georgia is givving 50,000 usd to startups with the right business plans with a 5% share in the company that you can buy back. Personal income that is less than 29,000 a month run through a personal account is the maximum you can earn without ticking any boxes for suspicious activity, and unsupprisingly 80% of the Georgian economy is black/ grey
agalt
2016-11-30 22:59
the start of next year georgia will have an estonian tax system with less regulation and oversite than estonia
jase
2016-11-30 22:59
In this scenario it's one of the few methods protonmail use to give their audience regular updates on developments. Everything else is behind closed doors.
alexanderhay
2016-12-01 00:32
@agalt I have been thinking about using that government program in regards to my mail service idea. I also was thinking about establishing a microbrewery somewhere, but it keeps involving work!
agalt
2016-12-01 00:36
it is tempting to start my 3rd georgian company this way and close one of the others.
simon
2016-12-01 12:26
@agalt any idea about the requirements? Is it a competition, like the Chilean program?
agalt
2016-12-01 13:01
Honestly id have to get back to you on that. @alexanderhay might know off the top of his head
agalt
2016-12-01 14:37
here are details on the new tax policy http://georgiatoday.ge/news/3783/Amendments-to-Georgia%E2%80%99s-Tax-Code
torsten
2016-12-01 16:30
has joined #random-chat
agalt
2016-12-01 21:51
does anyone else use hot jar to track clicks and heatmaps of how people use their website? it is free and has been very helpful recently.
maxsuur
2016-12-01 23:42
I should start using Amplitude, I signed up for up and it is also free
agalt
2016-12-01 23:42
:smile:
kl5340dc
2016-12-02 03:17
HUngary 9% corporate tax,now lowest EU
jase
2016-12-02 16:07
In Cape Town, not sure I see the appeal to be honest
jase
2016-12-02 16:07
Cheap, high quality food and booze. I don't drink much so it's just the food
jase
2016-12-02 16:07
Accommodation is very expensive for what it is
jase
2016-12-02 16:08
The water at the beach is 9 degrees and with huge rips so you can't swim
jase
2016-12-02 16:08
Kind of weird
maxsuur
2016-12-02 16:44
You there?
jase
2016-12-02 20:42
Yeah
jase
2016-12-02 20:43
The Uber's here are ridiculous. Costs maybe USD 2.50 for 15 minutes or so
jase
2016-12-02 20:43
I figured they were self employed but they are employed as drivers
agalt
2016-12-02 20:43
andora to cape town? how is the safety? last time i heard about that place it was from a guy in the Doha, Qatar who left.
jase
2016-12-02 20:44
I've been tipping a lot, seems like some massive exploitation going on
jase
2016-12-02 20:44
Safety could be much better
agalt
2016-12-02 20:45
guy in the airport talked openly about carrying a single stack 7.62x 25 pistol with ammo that goes through a 3a vest
jase
2016-12-02 20:45
Sheesh
agalt
2016-12-02 20:46
thats the kind of conversation you have in a quiet bar but he was open about this type of stuff in the doha, qatar airport...
agalt
2016-12-02 20:50
walk into an outdoors store and ask for climbing caribiner that locks. look for one that fits over your fingers but does not leave too much space... congratulations, you have a pair of brass knuckles now (St. Louis, Missouri, USA tricks)
maxsuur
2016-12-03 19:23
A very provocative article on MBTI. I am sure the author is also an Intuitive.
jase
2016-12-04 19:19
@simon re: estate planning and offshore. Any tips for brokerage accounts? Is it possible to set up the "default beneficiary" trick on a brokerage account? I doubt it given the actual shares are in my name.
agalt
2016-12-04 19:22
@alexanderhay any thoughts with trusts and corperations?
alexanderhay
2016-12-04 19:59
@jase, what type of account are you referring to? What do want to have happen?
jase
2016-12-04 20:07
Trading account. I die, it goes to someone else.
alexanderhay
2016-12-04 20:26
Ok. So you want a POD account for a brokerage account. That will depend upon the brokerage. I don't know of any that do that, but you can ask. One way is to set up a IRA and trade through that. Under IRA rules there can be a named beneficiary. Also, you can set up a little trust of some sort. A Living Trust would be easy enough. Under the terms of the living trust you are the Grantor, Trustee, and Beneficiary with a named subsequent beneficiary in the event that something happens to you. A little more complicated than a POD account but gets the job done.
agalt
2016-12-04 21:51
#askalawyer tag for @alexanderhay
jase
2016-12-05 07:11
Sorry, the internet is not so good here. Longer term we will likely use a family trust for our passive investments.
jase
2016-12-05 07:12
I am not US resident/citizen so that doesn't affect me.
jase
2016-12-05 07:12
Or if my mother relocates it may be easier to just use a holding company, we will see.
jase
2016-12-05 07:13
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F3AJG8X52/img_20161205_091253.jpg
jase
2016-12-05 07:14
Beginning to understand the appeal of Cape Town now!
maxsuur
2016-12-05 15:02
What are the advantages of Hong Kong/ Singapore over The UK, Estonia?
maxsuur
2016-12-05 15:02
For a business structure
kl5340dc
2016-12-06 04:26
access to banking HK/SG
kl5340dc
2016-12-06 04:26
fairly low maintenance compared to business previously in EU - tax is only once a year
kl5340dc
2016-12-06 04:26
can pretty much pay anything you want with business
kl5340dc
2016-12-06 04:26
offshore claim possible, is 0%
jase
2016-12-06 07:40
Estonia seems to be a great place for a sole shareholder company.
jase
2016-12-06 07:41
Not the best place to setup a business to sell in future as tax optimisation messes with your financial data (pay yourself a large salary at 0% instead of take company profits at 20% - effectively a dividend withholding tax)
jase
2016-12-06 07:43
IIRC an SG company requires a resident director. Easy enough to get around but an added hassle. Tax rate is higher but if you are doing low turnover there are exemptions in place.
jase
2016-12-06 07:44
UK requires a partnership - two individuals or you need another company to partner with. Low cost and no tax if not doing business in UK AFAIK
jase
2016-12-06 07:45
UK company and bank account will give you the best rates on credit card payments outside of USA/Canada
jase
2016-12-06 07:48
HK costs can add up (but still cheaper than Singapore). Banking is good but fees seem to be increasing and as you have seen, can be challenging to open sometimes.
jase
2016-12-06 07:49
No one is really better than another.
simon
2016-12-06 07:49
@jase The UK LLP is indeed a great structure, you can even use it with an Estonian company. If you have a local partner, you can also register an LLP in Singapore. That gets you around the audit requirement and most of the fees.
rjmarsden
2016-12-06 08:24
don't forget in the UK that your partner in an LLP can in fact be a company, which can be created with just a single person. So you form a Ltd company and then you and the Ltd company form an LLP. Lots of people I know, including myself, do this here so we can maximise our benefits through expenses and tax position. Also in the future when our residency changes we can enjoy the LLP benefits that all non-UK residents can.
jase
2016-12-06 08:49
@rjmarsden is that ltd in the UK or elsewhere?
rjmarsden
2016-12-06 09:37
I think it can be anywhere, it allows you to enter any details on the application form
maxsuur
2016-12-06 09:52
thanks guys for the responses.
maxsuur
2016-12-06 09:54
I am now wondering, how advantageous is an UK LLP owned by you and your estonian company over merely an Estonian Company, with your tax residency in a territorial taxation country?
maxsuur
2016-12-06 09:57
btw @simon any due dates for any of your new upcoming courses? I am specially looking forward to the south american integration one. it seems it'll be groundbreaking :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-12-06 11:06
Where are these courses?
jase
2016-12-06 11:07
Not criticism but I find it hard to see new members content.
maxsuur
2016-12-06 11:14
Probably the best way is to get an email whenever a course is ready. At least that's what I do whenever I release new content. It's more personal, increases engagement and it's exciting to hear from somebody who has new and good stuff for you. Just my 2 cents.
simon
2016-12-06 11:17
@maxsuur That's a good idea. I haven't been able to do much over the last few months, having to take care of my dad nearly full-time and spending the last month traveling. I'll upload the three new courses soon, along with lots of new content. 2017 will be an exciting year for me and I hope for all of you too :)
simon
2016-12-06 11:18
Typing this from 35000ft in the air btw, currently flying over the Bering sea.
simon
2016-12-06 11:18
Quite amazing really, satellite internet.
maxsuur
2016-12-06 11:26
Absolutely. Life is a matter of priorities. I am also excited for all what's coming this year. Welcome to the future :slightly_smiling_face: More and more airlines will be offering those internet services on their flights. People demand to be connected 24/7, be it flying swimming, diving... There is no more disconnect your terminal while the airplane takes off. Nobody does it, anyway.
simon
2016-12-06 11:29
It's really slow though, it works fine for text messages but I can't connect to my server, protonmail or any other data-intensive service. Can't wait for the next SpaceX launch, it's supposed to carry a bunch of next gen Iridium satellites. Will massively increase speed, enough for YouTube!
maxsuur
2016-12-06 11:36
I can only say: "Be like Elon"
maxsuur
2016-12-06 11:36
Next webinar on air from Mars
simon
2016-12-06 11:42
That would be an interesting place to work from! Although, in the short term at least, an horrible destination from a geo-arbitrage standpoint :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
simon
2016-12-06 11:46
I'd love to see a launch though, I went to cape Canaveral many years ago back when the shuttle was still flying. Awesome place, very accessible too. Back then you could go into the actual shuttle and have a look around.
jase
2016-12-06 11:58
Your priorities sound spot on @simon.
Aside from new content, what does 2017 have in store for you?
simon
2016-12-06 12:10
@jase Lots of things. I will buy my first catamaran and move aboard. Been saving for this for a little while now. Will anchor in places like HK and Singapore most of the time and occasionally sail to remote islands. I'm also taking my mom and sister to Japan for a month next summer, they've been wanting to go for a while. I will also have time to work on new business projects such as the one we talked about. I've also set small goals for myself, such as becoming a better cook and climbing a decent mountain.
jase
2016-12-06 12:13
Amazing! Good on you. This group is such a breath of fresh air - so many similarities. We have been talking about the buying a yacht long term although it is a pipe dream for now.
jase
2016-12-06 12:14
That's really nice to take your mum and sister to Japan. I am hoping to bring mum to Andorra next Summer and go on a road trip through France and Italy as she has never been to Europe.
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:20
Two things came to mind when you mentioned the catamaran purchase: wolf of Wall Street's scene where the main characters hang out on a sinking ship (literally) and suitcases full of cash from Singapore to Hong Kong. The last part could be a nice starting point for a business :p
jase
2016-12-06 12:23
I have planned to spend next week giving good thought to my 2017 plans. With residency out of the way a major distraction is out of my life. Next year will definitely be about growing business/es and health.
jase
2016-12-06 12:23
Possibly buying/building a house too.
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:26
Personally I find quite difficult to plan a whole year. Usually what I do is to set 3-month plans, and so far has proved to be an effective strategy.
jase
2016-12-06 12:28
Definitely true. I tend to do "overall life goals", 5 year goals, 1 year then 90 days. They always change but it helps me to think bigger.
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:32
Great
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:33
Where do you take inspiration from for scaling your business and setting new and more ambitious goals? Books? A specific author you like? A mentor? @jase
jase
2016-12-06 12:34
Tough question. The easy answers are books and a mastermind group of very talented individuals all with similar businesses (6 of us).
jase
2016-12-06 12:36
The harder answer is something that involves an inner craving for "success" which I am yet to define. Wealth/security to take care of my wife/future family/mum/sister. And also the challenge. I am very interested in human potential - unlearning all of the things that society taught me that were actually wrong.
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:40
I agree. I have often seen people with kids having extraordinary reasons to keep pushing and providing for their families. The unlearning this is very true though. I always knew there was some missing piece of the puzzle society was not telling me. As I read more books, became more skeptical and aware of the truths.
simon
2016-12-06 12:41
Building something meaningful is also a drive for many (including me).
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:41
More and more people are craving practical skills they can utilize on their betterment and success rather than regurgitating society's dogma and becoming part of the mediocre majority
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:44
@simon: Sometimes I wonder how vast the universe is and how little we are. Meaning is a construct we use to drive us forward and not go insane. And I agree, there is no better alternative than doing something meaningful to "thrive"
jase
2016-12-06 12:46
Good call Simon. It's also a self fulfilling prophecy as you believe in what you are doing and are able to sell it so much better.
jase
2016-12-06 12:47
On that @maxsuur I have always wanted to build a house.
jase
2016-12-06 12:47
It will probably cost more but the experience, I hope, would be a great one.
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:47
I bet too!
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:48
And from there, an organic garden in your backyard
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:48
Self-sufficient, self-made, self-fulfilled ;)
simon
2016-12-06 12:48
It'll be better built too I bet. Best way to ensure quality when it comes to the construction industry: do it yourself.
jase
2016-12-06 12:50
Well, I found a property in Andorra - I'm itching to get back to check it out. Affordable with a farm house and 4000m2 block
jase
2016-12-06 12:51
It's tricky - I'm trying to build our "freedom fund" right now (safe, income generating portfolio), but life's short too.
simon
2016-12-06 12:52
Is buying in France or Spain a possibility? There's lots of old manors that are selling for pennies on the dollar. They all need renovating but it could be a fun project.
jase
2016-12-06 12:52
I've considered it, but ongoing costs are much higher
jase
2016-12-06 12:53
There's an estate in "Spain" (which you can only access through Andorra!) for sale at the moment actually - huge 6 car garage with living area above, 5 bedroom house, another 3 bedroom house and a farm house.
jase
2016-12-06 12:54
I've always wanted to explore an accommodation business - it could work as a luxury hotel
maxsuur
2016-12-06 12:55
Sounds pretty good
jase
2016-12-06 12:57
The dream is still a farm stay property - multiple income sources
simon
2016-12-06 12:58
And the opportunity to experiment with agriculture.
jase
2016-12-06 12:58
Definitely - speaking of meaning that is an industry I want to be involved with.
jase
2016-12-06 12:58
I believe in permaculture
jase
2016-12-06 12:59
But... focus! I'm great at coming up with ideas but I have plenty on the go!
jase
2016-12-06 13:00
Will either of you buy property? It's counter intuitive for a PT, but I believe it can work for us.
simon
2016-12-06 13:01
What we should focus on instead is biological immortality :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: then we would have time for all the other projects!
simon
2016-12-06 13:02
@jase Due to unfortunate circumstances, I now own several properties. Not sure what I'll do with them though.
jase
2016-12-06 13:02
Matrix style slowing down the clock :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-12-06 13:02
Are any of them in locations where you'd like to spend some time @simon?
maxsuur
2016-12-06 13:03
We can always upload our brains to the cloud and operate from there long after we are biologically dead
jase
2016-12-06 13:03
Emotionally - would you feel comfortable having others stay there?
jase
2016-12-06 13:05
There are options - but unless you will stay there for part of the year I wouldn't consider short term rentals.
jase
2016-12-06 13:06
Long leases depend on the market. On face value my dad in Australia seeing around 10% yield but digging deeper 4% was optimistic. Better off being in the S&P500
rjmarsden
2016-12-06 14:09
loving the catamaran ambitions @simon we are starting with smaller steps and ordering a motorhome shortly :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-12-06 14:50
It is definitely true that Christmas is coming
jase
2016-12-06 14:53
Caga Tío is out!
jase
2016-12-06 14:53
:joy:
maxsuur
2016-12-06 15:17
What the heck is that?
jase
2016-12-06 15:45
Catalan Christmas tradition
jase
2016-12-06 15:46
A log that poops presents when you hit it with a stick :neutral_face:
agalt
2016-12-06 15:50
interesting. holliday culture is fascinating all over the world
maxsuur
2016-12-06 16:15
Haha, I am sure kids will go crazy with it. If only atms would behave this way...
jase
2016-12-06 16:26
My 45 year old neighbour still sings the song with his sisters and enjoys smashing sticks to bits :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-12-06 16:36
I guess that some people never lose their young spirits
simon
2016-12-06 19:59
Sorry guys the WiFi went out when we entered US airspace (strange eh?)
simon
2016-12-06 20:00
@jase I'm emotionally comfortable with having other people stay in them. Will look at the long term leasing option, could also use a service provider to handle everything.
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2016-12-08 10:43
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2016-12-13 17:33
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agalt
2016-12-13 21:47
Regarding CRS countries: if this list is correct, Montenegro and Georgia are not on the CRS list http://commonreportingstandard.com/loadPage?page=/crsCountries
stoplight
2016-12-14 01:44
Yup they are not? http://www.oecd.org/tax/transparency/AEOI-commitments.pdf
stoplight
2016-12-14 01:50
If you really want to bank in a strong offshore jurisdiction in Asia that has no intention of doing CRS or AEOI ?you should really look into Taiwan?strong stable economy with Offshore Banking Units (OBU) and private banking available, and all major international banks are present.
maxsuur
2016-12-14 15:19
Revolut charging a 2% atm withdrawal rate after you take out 200 eur
agalt
2016-12-14 15:25
any word on the corprate cards a bunch of us signed up for the beta with?
maxsuur
2016-12-14 15:44
No updates so far
jase
2016-12-15 05:17
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F3F0V0SG3/img_20161215_071711.jpg
jase
2016-12-16 16:16
To give you guys some insight into the sort of safety/crime levels here in Andorra, yesterday a house was broken into here. Since it was reported the 3 roads in/out of the area had Police checkpoints and today 2 people were arrested.
jase
2016-12-16 16:17
This is why Andorrans always tell me to "be careful in Barcelona, it's very dangerous" :joy:
maxsuur
2016-12-16 16:24
Wow. Safety net: 10+
agalt
2016-12-16 16:24
lol awesome
jase
2016-12-16 16:35
2 weeks to see out the year. I told myself I'd have:
Logo/Colors/Branding Finalised for our rebrand
Website Finished including Product Packages
Get our Business Social Accounts Setup/established
Get my Personal LinkedIn/Twitter/Instagram/Quora profiles updated/established as a niche expert
Had a meaningful conversation with 4 more business owners in my niche
jase
2016-12-16 16:35
Are you taking time off over Christmas/working through? All prepared for the new year?
maxsuur
2016-12-16 16:59
December sets the tone for the upcoming year
maxsuur
2016-12-16 16:59
But planning on 3 month chunks
maxsuur
2016-12-16 17:00
As Visionary as I am, I cannot plan much more in advance
jase
2016-12-16 17:00
Yeah I'm doing the same next year. Overall, high level 12 month "habits"/ideal goals... then 90 day planning, broken down into 30 day KPIs
maxsuur
2016-12-16 17:02
Great, would like to be a intj for the follow through part of it
jase
2016-12-16 17:02
My 12 month stuff will be simple but important habits next year
jase
2016-12-16 17:02
Keen to get my diet/gym/exercise routine dialled in
maxsuur
2016-12-16 17:04
Cause that influences the business part of your life, overall happiness, productivity, etc
jase
2016-12-16 17:05
Agreed
jase
2016-12-16 17:05
Do you travel a lot @maxsuur ?
maxsuur
2016-12-16 17:16
I used to, but lately I have been a bit stuck here in southern spain, just excursions from time to time to other Spanish Spots (including islands). Portugal is coming soon as well. What about you @jase ?
jase
2016-12-16 17:19
@maxsuur pleasant climate to be stuck in though :) I do quite a bit though this year was too much. Australia, Canada twice, Hong Kong, Singapore, Spain, Andorra, France, Germany, UK and South Africa. Too busy!
jase
2016-12-16 17:20
Next year we will still head to Australia to see family, probably involving a stop in Singapore and maybe a week or so in Bali then see clients and go to a wedding in Canada.
jase
2016-12-16 17:21
I have a few potential conferences on the list but hoping to keep them to Europe so they are shorter trips.
jase
2016-12-16 17:22
I also want to get to Montenegro.
agalt
2016-12-16 17:23
montenegro is sweet. no crs in monte, low income taxes, and property there looks like a good buy
jase
2016-12-16 17:26
Yeah that's why I want to visit. I could see Montenegro being a potential place to escape to in the shoulder season to extend my Summer, and rent it out for peak season.
agalt
2016-12-16 17:27
property deals in the northern part are better than down by the coast
jase
2016-12-16 17:27
Been talking with a friend about starting a hotel with him for years and have him run the day to day operations - could be the spot for it.
agalt
2016-12-16 17:28
lots of oppertunity here. Have a look at this instagram channel for monte stuff. The food is amazing also if you are a foodie- https://www.instagram.com/lifestylemontenegro/
jase
2016-12-16 17:30
LOL how nondescript is "lifestyle spots" :grin:
jase
2016-12-16 17:30
Beach lifestyle? Luxury? Digital nomad? Swingers? :joy:
jase
2016-12-16 17:30
Nice photos tho :sunglasses:
agalt
2016-12-16 17:31
little bit of both i guess
agalt
2016-12-16 17:31
or all three (i don't judge)
jase
2016-12-16 17:32
Haha
jase
2016-12-16 17:32
Sorry it's the marketer in me
agalt
2016-12-16 17:32
yeah, its not my page. I just like their stuff.
jase
2016-12-16 17:33
What's the best/easiest region to be a traveller/tourist there?
jase
2016-12-16 17:34
If someone is coming with a few grand for a week and blow their cash?
jase
2016-12-16 17:34
I'm guessing Kotor
agalt
2016-12-16 17:34
depends on what you like. budva or kotor
agalt
2016-12-16 17:34
i liked podgorica
agalt
2016-12-16 17:34
we have guides in all 3 cities
agalt
2016-12-16 17:35
and landing packages in all three as well. you can have yacht rentals and private plane tours if you want in monte also
jase
2016-12-16 17:36
Yeah. I mean when I go it will be the usual way I travel with a backpack but I am interested in doing business where people have everything they need. Use the existing infrastructure over building it all yourself.
agalt
2016-12-16 17:37
agreed. "stuff just works" in Podgorica. if you want to relax budva or kotor would be good
jase
2016-12-16 17:38
Have heard Budva is more of a Russian show off your supercar and trophy wife kind of place
agalt
2016-12-16 17:38
yup
jase
2016-12-16 17:39
Whereas Kotor is more where US tourists come on cruise ships
agalt
2016-12-16 17:39
the Russians left the banks in georgia when restrictions tightened. montenegro is the new haven for Russian money
agalt
2016-12-16 17:39
hence the no crs...
agalt
2016-12-16 17:40
things are just looser in monte
jase
2016-12-16 17:43
Yeah. I assume that won't take long to change
agalt
2016-12-16 17:43
hopefully it doesn't change, but we will see
jase
2016-12-16 17:44
I guess if they join the EU they will be pressured
agalt
2016-12-16 17:44
yup
agalt
2016-12-16 17:45
lots of new apartments and resturants are being built in podgorica so that is another good sign.
jase
2016-12-16 17:45
Yeah there is loads for sale off the plan
jase
2016-12-16 17:45
My concern is a glut in the market
jase
2016-12-16 17:45
Oversupply
jase
2016-12-16 17:46
Andorra has huge oversupply
agalt
2016-12-16 17:46
interesting
agalt
2016-12-16 17:46
thats what is going on in Split croatia
jase
2016-12-16 17:48
My point of view is to buy property that is limited... Waterfront, larger parcels of land, historic buildings
agalt
2016-12-16 17:53
good point
stoplight
2016-12-17 01:28
just on the topic of Montenegro..they are close on launching their Citizenship by Investment program..no cost specifics yet but it should be out by 2017?.they postponed it in 2010 due to EU pressure?.but thanks to Cyprus and Malta?they have been announcing to return it since 2015?and the government recently asked large marketing/immigration firms to send in their proposals?so this is something worth considering?although the Montenegrin passport is not as strong as the Caribbean passports..Montenegro?s location is definitely a gateway to Europe...
jase
2016-12-17 07:29
Good to know, thanks @stoplight
jase
2016-12-17 11:08
I told everyone at the last DC Junto in Barca about Freedom Surfer @simon. They seemed very interested - hopefully you'll get some new signups.
jase
2016-12-17 11:29
Not really sure why I wrote this but I thought some might be interested. I'm also wondering what sort of backlash I'm about to get from people that don't quite understand freedom...
jase
2016-12-17 11:30
I probably should have mentioned something about the US constitution and how it's mentioned in there but clearly Americans have a lot of rights removed.
agalt
2016-12-17 12:20
fascinating and random: http://www.visualcapitalist.com/interactive-mapping-flow-international-trade/
jase
2016-12-17 12:26
My neck hurts!
josh
2016-12-17 12:57
@jase interesting read - but are you operating on the basis that "rights" only come from government?
maxsuur
2016-12-17 12:57
You mean Barcelona @jase ?
jase
2016-12-17 12:57
@josh any "official" body I suppose
jase
2016-12-17 12:58
@maxsuur yeah
josh
2016-12-17 13:00
So only an official body can decide on ethics? I thought an individual's reason was the tool for that.
jase
2016-12-17 13:00
ethics and rights are the same thing?
josh
2016-12-17 13:00
In context, aren't they?
josh
2016-12-17 13:01
You mentioned the US constitution, which talks of inalienable rights...those not mandated by gov
jase
2016-12-17 13:01
Ethics are closer related to morals
jase
2016-12-17 13:02
I mean there's an element of semantics with the terms used - an American born individual probably has better grasp on them
josh
2016-12-17 13:03
Would you say there are natural rights and legal rights?
jase
2016-12-17 13:04
I'd consider "natural rights" to be the same thing as an individual's freedom.
josh
2016-12-17 13:07
Ok, but that seems like a contradiction or else I misread the article because of the title (which I wondered). Because it seems to be implying then that natural rights are not absolute.
jase
2016-12-17 13:08
I think you're in quite deep - this is written for friends that have never read a book on freedom or rights
jase
2016-12-17 13:08
I'll likely review so this is good feedback, but the point is anyone looking for "rights" to enable them to do things is wasted effort.
josh
2016-12-17 13:09
Ah. Yeah I guess I would qualify that as "special rights" - this group or that group etc
jase
2016-12-17 13:09
Getting a "right" from a government body, society or anything outside of the individual is effort that could be spent simply living in a way that resonates with the individual
josh
2016-12-17 13:09
Damn straight
maxsuur
2016-12-17 13:09
The libertarian way
maxsuur
2016-12-17 13:09
:))
jase
2016-12-17 13:09
Exactly
josh
2016-12-17 13:10
I guess because I don't see those groups as ever looking for individual rights, I was confused.
josh
2016-12-17 13:10
They always want group rights
jase
2016-12-17 13:10
exactly
josh
2016-12-17 13:10
When the real minority is the individual
jase
2016-12-17 13:11
And ironically within that group, although they all want.. I don't know, "gay rights", they'll all disagree on other rights
josh
2016-12-17 13:11
If gov dealt with individual rights, then all the rest would be much better sorted.
josh
2016-12-17 13:11
I was just confused by the wording ?
jase
2016-12-17 13:11
What country are you from Josh?
jase
2016-12-17 13:11
I wonder if that causes confusion between us
josh
2016-12-17 13:12
Citizen of :earth_americas:
jase
2016-12-17 13:12
:slightly_smiling_face:
josh
2016-12-17 13:12
But grew up in Canada then the US
jase
2016-12-17 13:12
Where did you study?
jase
2016-12-17 13:13
Ah yeah - see the US and to some extent Canada teaches so much on freedom and liberty
jase
2016-12-17 13:13
I find it so crazy that they're one of the countries that preach it but have such limitations
josh
2016-12-17 13:13
:unamused:
josh
2016-12-17 13:13
Yeah
jase
2016-12-17 13:13
Fall from greatness hey
josh
2016-12-17 13:14
History rhymes...
agalt
2016-12-17 13:14
and politicians commit crimes
jase
2016-12-17 13:14
I wonder where will be the next place to try the same
jase
2016-12-17 13:14
Liberland maybe
josh
2016-12-17 13:14
Probably the only chance yeah Liberland
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:15
how's it going guys :slightly_smiling_face:
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:15
I'm in Beijing now, air pollution is 450+
josh
2016-12-17 13:15
I haven't seen it anywhere else or in any other culture
josh
2016-12-17 13:15
Oh ouch - hope you brought some canisters of clean Canuck air with you!
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:16
haha yeah it's so bad outside!
jase
2016-12-17 13:17
Reminds me of the sea to sky during the pemberton fires a few years ago
josh
2016-12-17 13:17
Only thing I can compare to my experience is when I was in Montana one summer during raging forest fires. Now I think about that when I hear about Beijing pollution
jase
2016-12-17 13:17
Whistler got an air quality rating of 33/10, 10 being stay inside and do minimal physical activity
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:18
lol
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:18
that's crazy
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:18
whistler is so awesome
josh
2016-12-17 13:18
That's like bunker level bad :flushed:
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:18
Yeah when leaving the hotel, have to wear a mast
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:19
mask
josh
2016-12-17 13:19
A real one though right? Not the cloth pointless ones in SE Asia
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:19
Back to Chengdu next week, should be a little better
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:19
haha yeah
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:19
a real one
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:20
Got a nice pm 2.5 one
josh
2016-12-17 13:20
There's a company out of NZ that has some wool filters they claim are the best out there
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:20
nice!
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:20
Should get some
josh
2016-12-17 13:21
I don't remember the name but they were working on some products to get on the market in CN
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:21
cool
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:21
Are you in HK Josh?
josh
2016-12-17 13:21
I think I'd rather buy Wyoming air canisters though haha
josh
2016-12-17 13:21
Not right now but I might be in a week
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:22
haha yeah air canisters
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:22
Oh great
trevorjames
2016-12-17 13:22
I sent you a PM :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-12-17 13:24
Miss montana and the west of tge us some days. It was a relatively free place until the feds start sticking their nose on people's business.
maxsuur
2016-12-17 13:24
@jase in that DC community in Barca, are there any spaniards?
jase
2016-12-17 13:36
@trevorjames yeah I miss Whistler
jase
2016-12-17 13:37
@maxsuur there are, although the group changes a lot. Last night it was Aussies, Americans, an Italian, I think a guy from Norway and another from Kazakhstan
jase
2016-12-17 13:37
In Summer it's much better as they run an event in Barcelona where a hundred or so people attend
jase
2016-12-17 13:38
Can be a bit of a sausage fest too
maxsuur
2016-12-18 03:43
Cool
maxsuur
2016-12-18 03:43
Thanks @jase
maxsuur
2016-12-18 03:44
Hi guys, here we talk a lot about tax optimization and so on
maxsuur
2016-12-18 03:45
But what about creating or scaling a business? What kinds of barriers have you guys overcome? Why did you decide to go into business in the first place? From where did you get inspiration and knowledge? Just curious
harvie
2016-12-18 04:25
Sounds cliche but I read the 4 hour work week while I was working an office job I hated. I made next to nothing after income tax and travel costs and wanted to kill everyone in the office(as well as myself). My job was sucking all the energy and inspiration from my life so I had to leave.
I was quite good at poker (back in 2010 when games were good) and moved to Thailand to play full time. At the same time I was blogging and that transformed into something bigger and now I'm one of them digital douche bags who manages a few online sites and run a marketing business on the side. Been living in Bangkok for 5 years.
My biggest barrier was my family (I'm Asian) . They rejected the idea of me leaving the 'system', they didn't even encourage me, instead they kept saying "if you fail what will you do?". Their intentions come from a good place I know but that's not what I needed to hear in my life then. My friends were all laughing too thinking I would be broke in a year or so. I was worried for the first year because I was scared I'd fail in front of them. Then about a year in I told my parents that they are **** and they should be supporting me because that's all I need. They were like yeah you're right, we're sorry but we just want the best for you. We kiss and made up then I went from strength to strength.
Now my friends and family are totally shocked at my lifestyle and what I do. They are like "huh, you make money from a blog" "huh, people pay you per hour to run Facebook ads?" lol.
Now my biggest barrier is myself, I'm too comfortable with my life to want to improve myself. Without sounding like I'm egotistical, I have a better life situation than all my family and friends and settled. In the last few months I've been trying to network (join groups like these) to get more motivation to improve myself on all levels.
/rant lol.
jase
2016-12-18 07:02
@maxsuur to oversimplify I wanted to live in a place where my hobbies (hiking/biking/snow sports) were a priority. Only problem was jobs in those areas are always low paid because they know suckers want to work there for the lifestyle.
I've always been the "want it all" type, so after quitting my well paid/low effort government job I started freelancing. Then consulting. Then my wife worked with me too, then we employed a few others.
The first barrier was deciding that Australia was no longer home. It took my wife and I over 2 years to reach that conclusion and wasn't an easy time. The second was quitting a government job (it's considered very secure in Australia). I would not have walked into a higher paid position in private or government anywhere in Australia and given global pay it would have been hard to get paid more without working in some remote location.
Nowadays the challenges are letting go of the limitations my family and social circle taught me - what is a realistic amount of money to earn per year? Believing in myself to invest in my business and be confident to sell (given introverted nature).
Next year we are going to a SwaS model - kind of a combination of productized service and SaaS which should help us to scale much better. I am confident that once we get into a flow on the work/process side of the business we can focus on sales and really scale fast.
agalt
2016-12-18 14:56
Interesting stories. @jase - did you have a problem with the way your government was behaving or spending money? Were there cultural aspects of australia that you couldnt change that made you want to walk away.
jase
2016-12-18 17:53
They are no worse than most countries @agalt . More that I discovered these awesome countries exist where tax is low. Every country has cultural pros and cons. In my opinion if someone lives in a country that is perfect they have blinkers on.
agalt
2016-12-18 17:55
agreed regarding there being no perfect countries. I live in one of the nicest areas of Tbilisi, Georgia near parliment but the sidewalks are broken and the water in my apartment occasionally does not work along with the electricity and internet. It is not a perfect place as much as I talk about how awesome it is. The thing I like is that I can have a privite life and that it is safe.
agalt
2016-12-18 17:57
0% income tax next year with estonian style tax laws (that are looser on "company expenses" ) help also. Georgia is peaceful and has low taxes. if some things are broken from time to time I can put up with that.
maxsuur
2016-12-19 00:33
@harvie I agree wholeheartedly that family and friends are often one of the biggest hurdles to becoming an entrepreneur. They usuaylly tend to drag you in (for your own good). I am experiencing the same right now. They think they know better.
maxsuur
2016-12-19 00:34
@jase: interesting to see how pursuing your outdoor passion brought you to Andorra from the other side of the world.
kl5340dc
2016-12-19 04:54
perfect place is when you mix in two countreis at the same time
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2016-12-19 05:27
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stoplight
2016-12-20 04:58
@harvie inspirational story there Harvie..but I think its an ?Asian? thing that the family and friends are your biggest hurdle at first. When you get over that, they will be your no. 1 supporter. Took me 2 years and then some to convince my own very traditional and conservative family to even just listen and understand what i?m doing. Lols! :smile:
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2016-12-21 11:08
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p32kz
2016-12-21 13:18
@agalt Do you know what it takes to shake the 183 days presence to maintain residence in Georgia. @simon mentions in his article that you need to show an incom equivalent to twicw thw living wages. Do you have any figures?
agalt
2016-12-21 13:20
the honest answer is georgia doesnt really check. You can cross the boarder to turkey as well on your resident ID card and not get a stamp as well if you are really worried about appearing there for 183 days
p32kz
2016-12-21 13:20
@simon Does HK require 183 days presence for someone to maintain residence/
agalt
2016-12-21 13:24
supposadly it is 200,000 lari in income so you divide that by 2.9 since their currency is in the toiliot. I just paid $5.32 for a grilled chicken and sundried tomato wrap with a double espresso and a sparkling mineral water at a cafe down the street from parliment in one of the nicest neighborhoods near the banks and the Burberry Coat store.
agalt
2016-12-21 13:26
thats euros, but its about the same: http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=EUR&To=GEL
scorps
2016-12-21 14:10
Good value!
agalt
2016-12-21 14:11
Yep @scorps what do you do?
scorps
2016-12-21 14:17
Engineering/construction project managememt
scorps
2016-12-21 14:18
How long you've been in Georgia?
agalt
2016-12-21 14:18
we have lots of new construction in tbilisi, and batumi our seaside town
agalt
2016-12-21 14:18
ive lived her on and off for about a year
agalt
2016-12-21 14:19
its the closest place to feeling like "home" after fleeing the states
scorps
2016-12-21 14:19
Thats great. I too left Canada 2 years ago
scorps
2016-12-21 14:20
Living the expat life now
agalt
2016-12-21 14:20
aha. where are you corprately based?
scorps
2016-12-21 14:20
Qatar
agalt
2016-12-21 14:20
cool. so the tax situation is good there?
scorps
2016-12-21 14:21
No personal income tax
agalt
2016-12-21 14:21
corp?
scorps
2016-12-21 14:21
It's great
agalt
2016-12-21 14:21
corp income high?
scorps
2016-12-21 14:22
Corp is tricky here. You need to be sponsored by locals. Not ideal.
agalt
2016-12-21 14:22
corp is 0% if you are building here
agalt
2016-12-21 14:23
technically 18% but you just roll it over into next years budget for building and simply defer it indefinately
scorps
2016-12-21 14:23
Wish i'd get a project there but i'm in the O&G bizz. Lol
scorps
2016-12-21 14:23
Tough times here
agalt
2016-12-21 14:23
aha
agalt
2016-12-21 14:24
have you thought about walking away and starting over somewhere else?
scorps
2016-12-21 14:25
Well already walked away from taxes. Now saving up to reach a comfortable stage
scorps
2016-12-21 14:27
I invest on the side. Once my nest egg gets large enough to passively pay off my yearly expenses, will walk away.
agalt
2016-12-21 14:28
not a bad plan
scorps
2016-12-21 14:29
You plan on staying in Georgia for a while?
agalt
2016-12-21 14:30
going back to see gf and her family for the hollidays in Bulgaria, then flying back for at least another month or two.
agalt
2016-12-21 14:31
Slovenia and Croatia are the only other places I miss when I am not in Georgia.
scorps
2016-12-21 14:32
Do you speak the language?
scorps
2016-12-21 14:32
Or you get by with english
agalt
2016-12-21 14:32
English is enough to get by and knowing basic words in Russian helps as well
agalt
2016-12-21 14:33
google translate on your phone will fix any other problems you have with the language barrier
agalt
2016-12-21 14:33
fly up sometime from Doha and check it out.
agalt
2016-12-21 14:33
Doha is my favorite airport so far while traveling
scorps
2016-12-21 14:34
Ya its fantastic!
scorps
2016-12-21 14:34
I have an e-pass. Don't have to wait in custom line ups. So nice!
agalt
2016-12-21 14:35
very cool
scorps
2016-12-21 14:35
They are really building, getting teady for the world cup
agalt
2016-12-21 14:35
georgia is visa on arrivial for 360 days for most nationalities
scorps
2016-12-21 14:35
"ready"
scorps
2016-12-21 14:35
Good to know
agalt
2016-12-21 14:36
how western friendly is qatar
agalt
2016-12-21 14:36
im curious about how ease of life is there for a week or two
scorps
2016-12-21 14:37
I'd say +70% are expats
agalt
2016-12-21 14:37
interesting
scorps
2016-12-21 14:37
Very expensive here
scorps
2016-12-21 14:38
But nice to see for 2-3 days as you visit other places in the region
agalt
2016-12-21 14:38
you could fly up here, get your residency permit in a week then fly back. start your 6-13 month wait for citizenship and apply within a year in Georgia
scorps
2016-12-21 14:38
Like adubai
scorps
2016-12-21 14:38
Dubai
scorps
2016-12-21 14:38
Really?!
agalt
2016-12-21 14:38
met some people here who worked in the dubai airport. they fly here for vacation and many have never seen snow
agalt
2016-12-21 14:38
yes, it is a very fast process for a 2nd passport
scorps
2016-12-21 14:39
Wow. I will try to visit sometime in 2017
agalt
2016-12-21 14:39
come here, start a company, open a couple bank accounts, get health insurance. Buy a cheap apartment and rent it out, then fly in here every once and awhile. then get your passport
scorps
2016-12-21 14:39
Montenegro has peaked my interest too
agalt
2016-12-21 14:40
georgia gets shengen interest in 2017 also
agalt
2016-12-21 14:40
*shengen access
agalt
2016-12-21 14:40
montenegro is also good. Property is cheap, housing costs are low, it is beautiful and also a non-crs country
agalt
2016-12-21 14:41
banks there use euros as well
scorps
2016-12-21 14:41
Thanks for the info agalt
agalt
2016-12-21 14:42
indeed flip through https://www.instagram.com/lifestylemontenegro/ if you want to see more
agalt
2016-12-21 14:42
(not my page) a friends page
scorps
2016-12-21 14:43
Will do. Nice chatting! Go to run.
agalt
2016-12-21 14:43
enjoy
scorps
2016-12-21 14:43
You too
maxsuur
2016-12-22 13:17
Any of you guys have you used any work+travel program to get residency, bank accounts, etc in foreign countries?
jase
2016-12-22 14:00
Simon has I believe
jase
2016-12-22 14:00
I sort of did, but it was in Canada - the banks there are not practical to use if you don't live there IMO
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:03
It seems that if you are a citizen of Canada you can apply for this program in Hong Kong
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:04
It applies as well to citizens of the UK, Australia, France, Germany..
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:04
But not for Spain though
jase
2016-12-22 14:05
working holiday program?
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:05
It'd be nice to have a comprehensive chart to see where in the world you can apply to different working holiday programs based on your nationality
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:05
@jase: yes
jase
2016-12-22 14:05
hahah i'm just googling that now :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:05
Hahaaj
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:05
That'd be an amzing bonus for freedom surfer members
jase
2016-12-22 14:06
wikipedia seems decent
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:06
If you find any link, post it here please :)
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:06
Thanks @jase
jase
2016-12-22 14:06
Canadian citizens get a good deal
jase
2016-12-22 14:07
the cut off is usually 35 instead of 30
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:07
I got 5 more years then !
jase
2016-12-22 14:08
shame i'm married, canada recognizes gay marriage, yeah?
jase
2016-12-22 14:08
haha
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:08
Hahaa, and spain too
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:08
:smirk:
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:08
We're all here very open minded though
jase
2016-12-22 14:09
if i wasn't married i'd totally marry someone for a citizenship swap
jase
2016-12-22 14:09
that's a website project for you @josh
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:09
Hahah, great
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:10
You can always do birth tourism @jase kind of similar
jase
2016-12-22 14:10
very few countries allow it nowadays though
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:10
Filling voids in the marketplace
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:10
Brazil for example
jase
2016-12-22 14:11
No kidding, I didn't realise Canada has jus soli
jase
2016-12-22 14:11
oh, but you need PR
jase
2016-12-22 14:12
that's what I thought
jase
2016-12-22 14:13
But by the sounds of it everyone here either has kids already has kids or is single
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:13
Mmm
jase
2016-12-22 14:13
"Citizens of Australia,[80] Chile, Hong Kong,[81] South Korea, New Zealand and Taiwan between the ages 18?30 and 35 may apply for a 1-year Hungarian working holiday visa in the Republic of Hungary."
jase
2016-12-22 14:14
I wonder what their banks are like
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:14
I'd bet half single or gf, half with wife and kids
jase
2016-12-22 14:14
the wife and kids crew stay fairly quiet
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:14
For obvious reasons.. ahah
jase
2016-12-22 14:14
probably busy building businesses while we procrastinate :stuck_out_tongue:
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:14
Diapers
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:15
Maybe i should have a couple of kids for extra motivation
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:15
Any brazilian female around here?
jase
2016-12-22 14:15
lol
jase
2016-12-22 14:15
We're thinking about trying to have a kid next year. It's lit a fire to make some money that's for sure
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:16
Absolutely
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:17
Have we talked about surrogate mothers here? Any possibility to get residency or citizenship using this hack?
jase
2016-12-22 14:18
LOL
jase
2016-12-22 14:18
wait so who gets what here?
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:18
I am not sure
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:18
Just popped it in my head, but I am sure there is a way
jase
2016-12-22 14:18
no doubt
jase
2016-12-22 14:19
Hungary looks like a potential place for property investing actually
jase
2016-12-22 14:19
a bit late to the game after the crash, but their tax rate is reasonable
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:20
Cool
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:20
Give it a try
jase
2016-12-22 14:20
i need focus hey
jase
2016-12-22 14:20
i've researched 1/3 of the countries in the world for viability for property investing
jase
2016-12-22 14:20
time to put up or shut up
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:21
And then rent it through airbnb
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:21
Moolah-making mode on
jase
2016-12-22 14:24
yeah thats the idea. that's what i had planned for montenegro - buy a place for us to holiday in, then use airbnb to pay for it
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:25
That is what my cousin is doing in southern spain
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:27
Bough an apartment in downtown, he's paid 1/3 of the property cost in only one year with the aribnb/booking proceeds. Buying a second one.
jase
2016-12-22 14:27
Does he manage the property? That's what always stops me from doing it
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:28
Yes
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:29
He hired a cleaning lady who is also the person handing out the keys to new guests
jase
2016-12-22 14:29
that's what i'm talking about
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:29
But he manages the booking site ads and reservations
jase
2016-12-22 14:29
yeah thats cool - thats what i do
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:29
Sure
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:30
Little work and a lot of upside
jase
2016-12-22 14:31
Interesting
jase
2016-12-22 14:34
this is the sort of thing i'd be keen for http://www.ntrealty.me/index.php/en/properties/property/5/milk-house-in-kotor-old-town-for-sale
jase
2016-12-22 14:34
commercial rental with apartments on top
jase
2016-12-22 14:34
consistent income then higher risk/higher return income on top
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:43
Yes, would you buy the entire building? Half a million euro
jase
2016-12-22 14:44
would be ideal. fair whack of money but as Simon always says, they wouldn't even buy an apartment in a lot of places
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:46
Sure. It is scary to think about it, but it is a great way to go big
jase
2016-12-22 14:47
3% yield before renting the apartments - more than most are getting in the bank with the upside of the apartments
jase
2016-12-22 14:47
but of course it's sold anyway so no point thinking about it :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:51
Sure
jase
2016-12-22 14:51
Have had my eye on this one for about 6 months: http://www.ntrealty.me/index.php/en/properties/property/128/muo-2-bedroom-apartment-in-stone-house-with-terrace-and-views-to-kotor-old-town-for-sale
jase
2016-12-22 14:52
Finish isn't as nice but location/size/price is on point
jase
2016-12-22 14:55
Where are you spending Christmas @maxsuur ?
jase
2016-12-22 14:56
Good call on gold/PMs @harvie
jase
2016-12-22 14:56
My issue with it is no income, purely speculative
jase
2016-12-22 14:56
But I suppose it's the time we live in
jase
2016-12-22 14:56
wealth preservation is half of the game
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:57
Beautiful the house
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:58
I am spending Christmas in Southern Spain, last years' was in Pachuca, Mexico
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:58
You?
jase
2016-12-22 14:58
Family Christmas?
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:58
Sure! I have always had them this way
jase
2016-12-22 14:58
Here in Andorra - a few laps skiing then off to a friend's place where we're all going to drink wine and cook lunch/dinner
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:58
Cool!
maxsuur
2016-12-22 14:59
Yesterday I tried a wine I liked very much, and way more of a beer drinker: "Glorioso" crianza 2013 (Rioja Alavesa)
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:00
If you get a chance...
jase
2016-12-22 15:00
I used to hate wine in Australia but I like the European "old world" stuff
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:00
Yes, and spanish wine is very affordable!
jase
2016-12-22 15:01
extremely affordable
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:01
You can drink the whole country
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:02
If only spanish girls were a little more accesible.. this country would be a great one to a single guy
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:02
There is lots of foreign women though
jase
2016-12-22 15:02
Barcelona is ridiculous
agalt
2016-12-22 15:02
australian wine is good stuff. it was 3 dollars a bottle back in the states and a 5 minute drive down the road
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:03
Shiraz was my first taste of australian wine, a british ex gf of mine
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:03
Introduced me to it
agalt
2016-12-22 15:03
shiraz :disappointed: :disappointed:
jase
2016-12-22 15:04
I barely drink nowadays
jase
2016-12-22 15:05
I'm running out of vices
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:08
Alcohol makes you bolder when it comes to flirting with girls, once you have mastered the game, have a gf, or run out of friends to go out with and pick girls up, alcohol losing its significance
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:08
*loses
jase
2016-12-22 15:08
haha yeah i can see that
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:09
Why would anyone drink alcohol then? For me, there is no point at all.
jase
2016-12-22 15:09
It's definitely a conversation starter
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:10
Maybe a glass of wine or a couple of beers
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:10
But drinking heavily is very counterproductive
agalt
2016-12-22 15:11
people say to drink to remember and not to forget, the problem is remembering too much. @maxsuur has it right a couple drinks is ok.
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:13
What has always helped me much is to have a positive mental attitude, be confident, bold and be really interested in the girls I am talking to, making here the center of attention
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:13
That beats alcohol anytime
jase
2016-12-22 15:14
Honestly the day I got engaged was the highest my mojo has ever been :joy:
jase
2016-12-22 15:15
Either:
1. it was some outdated perception of "he's an honest man taking care of her" or
2. i cared less, which as we know there's a psychological aspect of wanting what you cant have
agalt
2016-12-22 15:16
so was it actually a supprise to her?
jase
2016-12-22 15:16
my wife? yeah
jase
2016-12-22 15:17
I was playing the game of life back then
jase
2016-12-22 15:17
trying to tick stuff off
jase
2016-12-22 15:17
had property, about to build a house
agalt
2016-12-22 15:17
oh. cool.
jase
2016-12-22 15:18
did some travelling, everything changed hahah
agalt
2016-12-22 15:18
ex fiance was like, "sure i want to travel. don't mind if we spend your money"
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:19
Haha, smart girl @agalt
jase
2016-12-22 15:19
NO DEAL NO DEAL NO DEAL NO DEAL NO DEAL NO DEAL NO DEAL
jase
2016-12-22 15:19
haha
agalt
2016-12-22 15:19
flew from the states to meet me in georgia, then we flew to croatia, train to slovenia, flew to prague and broke it off
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:20
Simon should give us a badge or something for being so participative: like expert, or ambassador
jase
2016-12-22 15:20
"oversharer"
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:20
Hahaha
agalt
2016-12-22 15:20
ok (ducks head)
agalt
2016-12-22 15:20
meanwhile people are probably reading this and saying for fks sake why are you sharing this
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:20
Typical@of our "extraverted" nature
jase
2016-12-22 15:20
:slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-12-22 15:21
im an intj... just extraverted on the internet :confused:
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:21
Hejej, "entp", the most extraverted introvert
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:22
My mother is esfp, she'd never be in a group like this haha
jase
2016-12-22 15:23
no idea what my mother is
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:23
My best friends ever: infjs, any infj here? Wanna be my friend?
jase
2016-12-22 15:23
all i know is the women at the supermarket know almost everything about me
agalt
2016-12-22 15:24
i can think of many words for mine... i just dont know what her personality type is
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:24
You guys are close
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:24
Mine is not a great thinker, but is very hard-working
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:24
I should learn from her
jase
2016-12-22 15:25
ha, sounds like mine
maxsuur
2016-12-22 15:28
Any non-intj here? Let's form a club, we are clearly the minority here
jase
2016-12-22 15:45
Hey @agalt how was internet in Montenegro?
agalt
2016-12-22 15:46
very fast
agalt
2016-12-22 15:46
just like in Bulgaria or Serbia
jase
2016-12-22 15:46
reliable then?
agalt
2016-12-22 15:46
yeah
jase
2016-12-22 15:46
expensive?
agalt
2016-12-22 15:46
the balkans is an excelent place for internet
agalt
2016-12-22 15:47
its cheap. most people make about 500 euros a month in montenegro if they are common citizens
agalt
2016-12-22 15:47
the prices reflect the target market
jase
2016-12-22 15:47
whats the deal with property investing then? tourism housing is the go?
agalt
2016-12-22 15:48
yeah. Ill get you on the viber with the person who i advertise with if you want. she is a local and can contact the right people. She does the landing packages for my company there
jase
2016-12-22 15:49
email possible?
jase
2016-12-22 15:49
i try to avoid new communication methods :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-12-22 15:49
absolutely
agalt
2016-12-22 15:49
a lot of stuff there is under the table though. she may ask you to fly in and sit down for dinner to talk. Thats how i got to know her
jase
2016-12-22 15:50
yeah i'm probably going to head over maybe april or so
jase
2016-12-22 15:50
next year is going to be a bit crazy
agalt
2016-12-22 15:50
residency, property, NGO, non-crs banks, etc
agalt
2016-12-22 15:52
you can set up a non profit agency and all sorts of stuff there
jase
2016-12-22 15:52
.....but if you make a profit?
agalt
2016-12-22 15:52
:slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2016-12-22 15:52
company expenses
agalt
2016-12-22 15:52
follow all the rules of course
agalt
2016-12-22 15:52
but expense as many things as you can
jase
2016-12-22 15:53
fair enough. i'm building a business to sell at the moment, it's my main reason for not being interested in estonia
jase
2016-12-22 15:53
i want to show maximum profits
jase
2016-12-22 15:53
montenegro seems very good anyway though
agalt
2016-12-22 15:53
aha. you could use a georgia joint stock company that is closed and issues shares for ownership of different things. it is basicly like berrar shares
jase
2016-12-22 15:54
dude
agalt
2016-12-22 15:54
then have that own stuff in montenegro
jase
2016-12-22 15:54
we get it, you're in georgia :wink:
jase
2016-12-22 15:54
i have my companies setup
agalt
2016-12-22 15:54
im talking about your montenegro ventures
jase
2016-12-22 15:54
just interested in the country/property there
agalt
2016-12-22 15:54
aha
agalt
2016-12-22 15:55
don't get me started about bulgaria... :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2016-12-22 15:55
may be of interest to some readers: http://wordagents.com/niche-site-case-study/
agalt
2016-12-23 09:12
Lesson learned the hard way: never give original documents to tbc bank in Georgia for an offshore ibc. They wont give my certificate of Incumbency back. Not cool...
maxsuur
2016-12-23 19:50
Great bonus track @jase
agalt
2016-12-23 22:22
@maxsuur beautiful songs from childhood
agalt
2016-12-24 03:14
Sitting by a guy on the bus who is american and works in the us embassy. He doesnt understand the permanent travel thing. Guess that is good thing. He doesnt like people who dodge taxes. Interesting people everywhere you go. He thinks hes serving his country :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
jase
2016-12-24 10:28
Merry Christmas everyone. I wish you all a happy and prosperous 2017.
maxsuur
2016-12-24 10:34
Merry Xmas! :palm_tree::palm_tree::palm_tree:
maxsuur
2016-12-25 18:19
How's being xmas up in andorra @jase ?
jase
2016-12-25 19:38
Need more snow @maxsuur! A friend's skis got core shot this morning :disappointed_relieved:
jase
2016-12-25 19:39
Aside from that, plenty of food and cava!
jase
2016-12-25 19:48
How was yours @maxsuur ?
maxsuur
2016-12-25 20:16
Heheh, it was less snowy but full of generously-filled southern-style dishes. Stuffed like a turkey.
josh
2016-12-26 07:16
Merry Christmas a day late! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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2016-12-27 09:29
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2016-12-27 10:31
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2016-12-27 23:54
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2016-12-28 10:36
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2016-12-28 14:28
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jase
2016-12-28 18:29
Of course when I want to book a train to Madrid the website's not been working all day.
jase
2016-12-28 18:30
Tomorrow's another day
philippe
2016-12-28 18:30
XD
philippe
2016-12-28 18:30
try trainline ?
jase
2016-12-28 18:30
Interesting, cheers @philippe !
philippe
2016-12-28 18:31
french startup, sold to rosbeef oops british company
agalt
2016-12-28 18:32
cool!
philippe
2016-12-28 23:36
About Chile, mankind and this planet...
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/12/how-humans-survived-in-the-barren-atacama-desert-13000-years-ago/
sherice
2016-12-29 04:18
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maxsuur
2017-01-01 21:38
Does anybody know if for only having the e-residency in estonia (without a company setup), you have to pay taxes (social tax bill)? Is this true?
ahawkins
2017-01-02 03:31
interesting question. I'm planning on applying to keep it as a tool in my back pocket
petrsuska
2017-01-02 12:29
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alexanderhay
2017-01-02 13:49
From my understanding, the Estonian e-residency is really nothing more than a "non-Resident ID" useful for verifying your identity. It has no other benefits.
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2017-01-02 21:59
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rjmarsden
2017-01-03 10:53
hi @maxsuur you don't need to do anything if you just have the e-residency, alex is right. I have it to support the movement and theory behind it but I'm still trying to find a practical use for it just now :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-01-03 11:56
Thank you both @alexanderhay and @rjmarsden
alexanderhay
2017-01-03 12:40
I was interested in it too, but when they raised the price from 50 EUR to 100 EUR the novelty seemed less interesting. The advantage is that you can establish a company remotely using the ID, and you can open a bank account for your company as well. It is supposedly going to be very handy for general online transaction verification, but I don't believe anyone other than the Company Registry and Estonian Banks utilize this service.
josh
2017-01-03 12:48
Yeah @rjmarsden same reason here, I wanted to support the idea. Sounds like Georgia is following suit now too. I will say though it was the easiest company I've set up and they're very helpful with everything. Since I have to bend over and grab my ankles for the KYC, I'd rather do it for a place that wants me there, wants my business, and treats me well in process, than for places where the presumption is "some kind of money laundering terrorist" and the subsequent treatment is about the same.
jase
2017-01-03 16:44
You've been to Andorra? :joy:
alexanderhay
2017-01-03 20:22
@alexanderhay shared a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F3L745LKB/p_20170103_233356.jpg
2017-01-03 20:22
@alexanderhay commented on @agalt?s file https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/U1L4GV56C/F3L745LKB/p_20170103_233356.jpg: Yeah, I drank mine with dinner last night.
clr
2017-01-04 09:32
@maxsuur For Estonian e-Residency I?ve only had to pay for the card itself. I paid 50 EUR but as others have said they have increased the price to 100 EUR. The card is valid for 3 years.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 11:08
Are you using it @clr ?
clr
2017-01-04 11:39
@maxsuur I have used it to incorporate a company and also use it to electronically sign company documents.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 11:39
what's your experience so far setting up a company in estonia @clr ?
clr
2017-01-04 11:49
@maxsuur Setting up the company itself was fairly easy. First, you check if the name you want is available. Then, in the company portal, go through the steps, choose the company statutes (there is a pre-made template and you can choose among several options depending on what you want). Overall it took me around 1 hour because I went slowly through every step. After that I made a bank transfer to pay for the registration fee and the next business day the company was registered.
clr
2017-01-04 11:50
You will need an address in Estonia for the company. I chose LeapIN for this.
josh
2017-01-04 12:36
What's your experience with the USB card reader?
clr
2017-01-04 14:55
The USB reader just works fine. Nothing special.
clr
2017-01-04 14:56
Is there anything in particular you want to know?
maxsuur
2017-01-04 14:57
It seems that the registration process is fairly easy, I guess you have paired it with a territorial-based taxation country as your residency to really take advantage of it
maxsuur
2017-01-04 14:57
What do you think of Leapin prices?
clr
2017-01-04 14:59
Nothing about taxation yet. Profits can stay in the company. The main advantage of Estonia is that you only pay corporate tax (20%) on dividend distribution. If profit stays in the company no corporate tax must be paid.
clr
2017-01-04 15:02
I find LeapIN prices OK. What I liked about them is that they seem easier to reach than other companies providing similar services in Estonia and they are aiming to automate the processes and provide it in a self-service portal. The other companies seem to be more old-fashioned.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:21
I guess you can pay yourself a modest salary and reinvest the profits into the company. The Leapin platform seems friendly enough, and simon has also recommended it several times through his articles and on this slack channel.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:22
Where are you based in @clr ?
clr
2017-01-04 15:22
Spain
clr
2017-01-04 15:22
Yes, a salary is another option. I haven?t dealt with that for now.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:23
Same here
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:23
How does that play out with the Spanish taxation system?
jase
2017-01-04 15:24
I was under the impression that Estonia crack down when you begin to take the piss (abuse the rules)
jase
2017-01-04 15:24
eg: if you're paying yourself a million dollar salary they'll claim that they're actually company profits
clr
2017-01-04 15:26
My understanding is (I?m no tax advisor, so this is not tax advice): dividend will have to pay capital income tax, salary will have to pay work income tax. However, if one gets a salary, maybe will have to pay Spanish social security and register as self-employed (autónomo).
clr
2017-01-04 15:27
Another option could be registering as self-employed and invoicing the company.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:29
That would mean paying the self-employee fee in Spain, which is mainly what one wants to avoid registering the company in estonia and uliimately getting tax residency somewhere else
clr
2017-01-04 15:29
Exactly
clr
2017-01-04 15:30
I am planning on moving somewhere else but not right now.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:30
I'm curious about which countries you've got in mind
clr
2017-01-04 15:32
I?m interested in Chile after reading about it here. I would like to have another citizenship just in case and also the tax residency there.
clr
2017-01-04 15:32
Do you have any opinion on Chile?
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:33
Mmm, I have just read Simon's articles on Chile, and it is a good option, although I guess you actually have to live there to be considered tax resident long-term
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:34
I like countries where you can get your tax residency and live wherever the heck you want to, and then come back once every couple of years not to lose your tax residency status
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:35
ultimate freedom, that is what flag theory is all about
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:36
Many spaniards are flocking to Chile in search of job opportunities, which I think itnis not the case here
clr
2017-01-04 15:37
My understanding about Chile is that the first year you have to stay 6 months and after that you can just stay for a few days a year to keep resident permit. About the tax residency I don?t know.
clr
2017-01-04 15:38
Personally I like also Panama (been there once and the capital looks nice), but it?s blacklisted by the Spanish tax agency so not an option, I guess.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:38
I like Paraguay
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:40
I think it is somehow off the radar, the process is straightforward and requires a very reasonable amount of money, your ID is issued and then you only need to step in paraguaian soil every 3 years.. and everything seems to be lax there
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:41
Although there seems to be interesting deals on agricultural land there
maxsuur
2017-01-04 15:41
To invest in
agalt
2017-01-04 15:52
6 months is quite a lot of time to be stuck in one spot. How strict are they about this?
maxsuur
2017-01-04 16:00
I'd bet than stricter than Georgia and Paraguay
agalt
2017-01-04 16:05
that is unfortunate
maxsuur
2017-01-04 16:11
May Chile have beautiful women to rejoice those six months
jase
2017-01-04 16:13
6 months really isn't long IMO. If it's the right place I'd prefer it. I'm tired of fast travel.
jase
2017-01-04 16:13
It's coming up more and more with people I know that can travel non stop - they're over it.
maxsuur
2017-01-04 16:18
It sounds plausible. I like the idea of 6, 3 and 3
maxsuur
2017-01-04 16:18
But definitely not traveling all the time. Like visiting a new country every couple of days... too exhausting
agalt
2017-01-04 18:41
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F3MAX5D5Y/p_20170104_161706.jpg and commented: 5 months ago i was recommended this bank in Georgia by a lawyer who was recommended by a guy with a fancy offshore radio show. The warning signs were there then and didnt put any money there. Last week i had to tell the same law firm i no longer needed their services because of another set of less desirable circumstances.
kl5340dc
2017-01-04 23:25
yeah was thinking 5/5/2
alexanderhay
2017-01-05 06:17
@alexanderhay shared a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F3MAX5D5Y/p_20170104_161706.jpg and commented: 5 months ago i was recommended this bank in Georgia by a lawyer who was recommended by a guy with a fancy offshore radio show. The warning signs were there then and didnt put any money there. Last week i had to tell the same law firm i no longer needed their services because of another set of less desirable circumstances.
2017-01-05 06:17
@alexanderhay commented on @agalt?s file https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/U1L4GV56C/F3MAX5D5Y/p_20170104_161706.jpg: I am trying to find some news on this. Can you find any?
alexanderhay
2017-01-05 06:55
Very strange. I have been able to find no news on this in English. Only confirmation is that the bank is no longer listed at the National Bank of Georgia: https://www.nbg.gov.ge/index.php?m=403
alexanderhay
2017-01-05 07:00
Ok found it: https://www.nbg.gov.ge/index.php?m=339&n&newsid=2974 It would seem the issue was money laundering.
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maxsuur
2017-01-06 00:39
"The ministry of truth": http://www.freemansperspective.com/ministry-truth-opens-june-21st/
harvie
2017-01-06 13:14
Anyone here from Ho Chi Minh, thinking about taking a small holiday at the start of February.
stoplight
2017-01-06 13:24
I second that..anyone from HCMC? Planning to do business there sometime this year?every little bit helps...
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2017-01-07 01:15
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maxsuur
2017-01-07 08:42
Hi guys, just found a very comprehensive guide on how to buy bitcoin on the internet, you may find it useful: https://howtobuybitcoin.io/
jase
2017-01-07 18:15
Could use Simon's points trick to buy/sell bitcoin by credit card?
maxsuur
2017-01-07 19:48
Which one @jase ?
jase
2017-01-07 19:54
Buy bitcoin with CC, get points and sell bitcoin fast. Then repeat.
maxsuur
2017-01-07 21:44
Nice. Need to get a CC first then!
josh
2017-01-08 12:06
I have a contact that I know who works for Asia Frontier Capital who is very connected in HCMC. They're doing an event in late March, but I can send you his contact info if you want, he's in other countries in the region a lot but may be in VN when you are. @harvie @stoplight
maxsuur
2017-01-08 12:56
Freedom fellas: any marketing training you have followed on writing persuasive emails? And also on fb ads?
harvie
2017-01-08 13:01
@josh thanks but I'll be out by then
harvie
2017-01-08 13:01
@maxsuur I've got 2 years exp in FB ads, feel free to DM me
maxsuur
2017-01-08 13:01
Thanks @harvie !
agalt
2017-01-08 13:02
@harvie thanks
maxsuur
2017-01-08 13:03
Lots of comments on his blog- an engaged audience he has
harvie
2017-01-08 13:08
https://www.facebook.com/blueprint This is meant to be good for beginners too but I've never checked it out.
harvie
2017-01-08 13:11
if you have any bespoke questions feel free to ask, will do my best to answer
alex
2017-01-08 15:01
@harvie Thanks!
alex
2017-01-08 15:04
Any training on email marketing? How to grow a list of subscribers and monetize it properly.
maxsuur
2017-01-08 15:55
Thanks @harvie
alex
2017-01-08 19:22
@maxsuur Have you read "Cashvertising" by Drew Eric Whitman? The book might be useful for writing persuasive emails.
maxsuur
2017-01-08 19:30
Thanks @alex , I read it 3 years ago and it left a profound impact on me
maxsuur
2017-01-08 19:31
But I was looking for something more email-writing oriented
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stoplight
2017-01-09 06:35
@josh thanks very much?read up on Asia Frontier Capital?interesting what they do?what kind of activity are they doing in March? We?re actually looking for a local partner in Vietnam?but I don?t know if our business will be attractive to them.
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 07:25
ben settle for emails, the best
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 07:26
basially daily emails, story, pitch, repeat
maxsuur
2017-01-09 10:47
@kl5340dc I am subscribed to Ben Settle's newsletter. Yeah, that's right, he sells his monthly newsletter ink package for 99 USD
maxsuur
2017-01-09 10:48
the guy is a constant pitch, but he's got great endorsements, from John Carlton to Gary Bencinvenga
maxsuur
2017-01-09 10:49
The story aspect of emails is huge when it comes to selling, and writing articles as well...
maxsuur
2017-01-09 10:49
thanks man
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maxsuur
2017-01-09 13:06
Interesting @jase
maxsuur
2017-01-09 13:37
Any workaround to buy BTC using paypal? I am finding it very difficult.
simon
2017-01-09 13:44
@maxsuur If you have a US PayPal account you can get one of these: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/paypal-prepaid-mastercard
simon
2017-01-09 13:45
Otherwise buying BTC directly with PayPal funds will probably be very challenging. The refund rules at PayPal make it a very risky sale for the seller.
maxsuur
2017-01-09 14:04
Thanks @simon I will take a look at it. Found a guy through localbitcoin in Washington DC with a good reputation doing it. But one of the requirements is a selfie... which I am not happy to provide.
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:10
Ben settle learned it from Matt Furrey
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:10
Matt furrey was fitness guy, early on the internet, pre double your dating eben pagan, student of dan kennedy
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:10
if you can find the tapes from Matt furrey, they are gold
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:11
in the tapes he was saying he started to email daily, even twice and three times a day, and his revenues doubled that year
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:11
so I started doing it too and revenues doubled as well
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:11
daily email
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:12
story story story, go personal
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:13
especially for people who travel a lot like us, it is just too easy, because travelling means you experience different cultures, lots of source material, lots of stories. You take the story of today, link it to what you sell, and that is your email
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:15
Example: today I rented a motorbike, I emailed the guy 2 weeks in advance, I got there today and he had no motorbike. This after sending him several emails I needed motorbike for 6 weeks. I ended up going somewhere else. He didn't get my money. DONE. That is the true story I had today. Now link this to your biz - example if you sell biz advice, you could turn this into a lesson about not losing easy sales like this guy. Or maybe it could be this guy has so much biz already, he doesn4t care. Anyway you just make the guy reading the email think about his biz. The personal story format makes it easy to digest
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:16
"who reads daily emails" some people will say
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:16
If you do this right, people will complain when you do NOT send a daily email. They'll email you and ask if you sent one or not
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:17
the simple reason it works is that you are in their mailbox more
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:17
the other reason is if you can send an email with story/lesson each day you must really know what you're talking about, how else can you talk about it so much? it is positioning yourself as an expert by the mere fact of emailing daily
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:17
the other reason is that it makes them thinkign about you every day
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:17
ETC
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:18
daily emails
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 14:18
very important
maxsuur
2017-01-09 14:21
Mind-blowing stuff @kl5340dc and it makes so much sense. I guess what I am most afraid of is losing their interest by email too often. Knowing your positive experience about it, it is something I am going to consider heavily. At least emailing them more often than what I am currently doing.
harvie
2017-01-09 14:28
you've just inspired me to write a 3-part email series @kl5340dc . I have a fast growing list that I never email out of sheer boredom
simon
2017-01-09 14:36
@kl5340dc This is solid info! Thanks for sharing.
maxsuur
2017-01-09 15:19
What the heck? This is just the email I got from Ben Settle, it seems that he read my mind:
maxsuur
2017-01-09 15:19
Behold one of the best quotes ever penned:
?I have spent my whole life scared, frightened of things that could happen, might happen, might not happen, 50-years I spent like that. Finding myself awake at three in the morning. But you know what? Ever since my [lung cancer] diagnosis, I sleep just fine.?
? Walter White aka Heisenberg
?Breaking Bad?
I do so dig on that quote.
Reminds me of something people are afraid of:
Mailing daily.
In fact, a while back I got into a talk about this on flakebook with some of my customers. One of them, in just 30-60 days of daily emails, went from living client-to-client to getting two whopper clients on retainer. Another said she doubled her sales. Misty (my podcast announcer babe and sometimes business partner) often talks about how mailing daily completely changed her life and her business, and the list goes on. My podcast producer tells me it took him from making $1k per month in sales to around $1k per week, and so on, and so forth.
But you know what?
Most people are too chicken to do this.
They?re scared of getting lots of opt outs.
Scared people will complain.
Scared people will think they suck at writing.
Scared of this, and scared of that?
Bah!
Yes, you WILL get opt outs. (Good, they were never going to buy anyway). You WILL get complainers. (Good, use their emails as fodder). You WILL be insecure about your writing if?n you aren?t writing regularly already. (Good, most emails are way too polished anyway.)
But, you should also see more sales, too.
Maybe even lots more.
Plus other intangible benefits, too. (Better bond with your list, JV opportunities, rock solid personal branding, people seeing you as a leader and not just another ?expert? yada yada yada?)
Yes, your milage will vary.
And no, there are no guarantees.
But, what do you have to lose?
It costs you nothing to try.
And, the potential upside is huge.
Anyway, one of the things you get when you subscribe to my ?Email Players? newsletter is a short book called ?The Email Players Playbook? ? and inside, towards the end, I even lay out a simple 30-day game plan to follow.
Very easy.
Very simple.
And, very profitable.
But, only if you do it?
Subscription info here:
http://www.EmailPlayers.com
Ben Settle
Copyrighted & published by Settle, LLC.
If you are even thinking about swiping or stealing this
email, read this letter from my attorney first:
http://www.BenSettle.com/blog/swipe-file
Ben Settle
World leader in email copywriting education
Settle, LLC
Settle, LLC | 950 SE Oak Ave. | Roseburg, OR 97470
To unsubscribe or change subscriber options visit:
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kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:20
loved this quote from matt furreym paraphrasing, when he talked about mailing twice a day
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:20
this first email is story 90% then pitch
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:20
the second email is pure pitch
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:20
he said the first email is lubrification hihi
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:21
also ben setlte on 'how long should an email be?'
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:21
-> think of a woman's dress - not too short or it gets vulgar, not too long or there's no attraction
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:24
@maxsuur you will lose the interest of people who are not interested. This is another reason to do this. You will have a higher unsubscribe rate. but the ones who unsubscribe are the ones who arent that into it either. They are dead weight, just costing you money. You want to get rid of them, and emailing daily is the way to go
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:25
in fact - it is a good idea to set the stage before>on signup - I'm going to email daily, don4t complain later, if you can't keep up unsubscribe, if you don't read my emails I unsubscribe you, etc
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:27
it can be scary if your email list is small. We get a lot of leads so I don't care. I don't even bother segmenting and all that. Just daily, simpler
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:28
get out of your head that they'll read every email. They do not. They select. Which is another reason to do it. If you sent one email a week, they wouls till not read them all but select. By sending daily you give them more ot select from
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:29
If you check on youtube and podcasts, all the big players are doing the same thing - daily updates. The dumas guy does it. Pewdepie dude does it. Sure some people listen/watch everything they release, but that's going to be a small subset. The majority will select. Give them more, more to select.
maxsuur
2017-01-09 15:46
Yes, doing this gets them to have you on top of their minds which is priceless when it comes the time for them to buy from you. Basically the daily journal is becoming a mixed pot of email subscriptions and podcasts. What niche are you in @kl5340dc ?
kl5340dc
2017-01-09 15:47
a big one :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-01-09 15:51
Supplements? :pill:
maxsuur
2017-01-09 15:52
No prob, thanks! :)
jase
2017-01-09 16:44
Sheeeesh, you guys must write a lot :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2017-01-09 16:45
Daily emails sound great for the right audience - I'd need ghost writers though!
kl5340dc
2017-01-10 05:38
you get better at it
maxsuur
2017-01-10 08:12
@kl5340dc: one of the things that makes Matt Furey so credible is that he made his money by selling his own fitness products. No by teaching copywriting. And he made tons of it.
maxsuur
2017-01-10 08:13
Found "the TAO of copywriting" by the world's greatest living email copywriter
maxsuur
2017-01-10 08:13
Amazing
kl5340dc
2017-01-10 12:09
yeah
kl5340dc
2017-01-10 12:09
and he was very early at this
kl5340dc
2017-01-10 12:09
actually eben pagen did also the daily emails with double your dating back in the days
kl5340dc
2017-01-10 12:10
his emails were just longer
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maxsuur
2017-01-11 19:27
@maxsuur uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/maxsuur/F3Q6VNQ7M/5th_stage.jpg
maxsuur
2017-01-11 19:28
@kl5340dc:
agalt
2017-01-11 19:33
That sounds exciting :slightly_smiling_face: Now immagine that with a 5 inch two tone kimber .45 with an aluminum frame and trijicon night sights from Israel :heart_eyes: (sorry... some things from the states still stick)
maxsuur
2017-01-11 19:49
Haha heaven
agalt
2017-01-11 19:51
230 grains of love at 950 feet per second :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-01-11 20:23
Ratatat
kl5340dc
2017-01-12 02:13
heh
agalt
2017-01-12 09:28
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F3R7AE11C/p_20170112_132455.jpg
maxsuur
2017-01-12 09:53
Fair enough
maxsuur
2017-01-12 11:02
Thoughts on decentralized storage?
maxsuur
2017-01-12 11:03
*decentralized cloud storage
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maxsuur
2017-01-13 18:58
@kl5340dc: "Matt Furey- President of the Psycho-Cybernetics Foundation". Even More credibility to this guy.
kl5340dc
2017-01-14 06:03
yeah he bought the biz over from dan kennedy
kl5340dc
2017-01-14 06:04
you can find tapes from dan kennedy in the early days with furrey sitting in the audience and asking questions
kl5340dc
2017-01-14 06:04
Furey learned this stuff from dan (frank kern too later). There are old psychology copywriting tapes from dan kennedy that are really worth it
kl5340dc
2017-01-14 06:05
he's a bit outdates now as he's pre-internet though
philippe
2017-01-14 12:04
Hey ! Wh?os in Sofia, Bulgaria ? We?re here for the week end and until wednesday. Going out? maybe skiing :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-01-14 12:18
@kl5340dc: i am now reading the updated version of psycho cybernetics by Furey
maxsuur
2017-01-14 12:18
Raving reviews on amazon
jase
2017-01-14 16:01
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F3QU9ME9X/pasted_image_at_2017_01_14_05_00_pm.png and commented: Hope you had a fun day @philippe! I got out too :smile:
philippe
2017-01-14 16:28
maybe tomorrow :slightly_smiling_face:
philippe
2017-01-14 16:28
nice skis :stuck_out_tongue:
philippe
2017-01-14 16:28
I need to find clothes
philippe
2017-01-14 16:28
any rental place ?
jase
2017-01-14 16:28
I'm a fair way away from Bulgaria though :slightly_smiling_face:
philippe
2017-01-14 16:28
haha
philippe
2017-01-14 16:28
where was that
jase
2017-01-14 16:29
Andorra
jase
2017-01-14 16:29
20 mins from home
jase
2017-01-14 16:29
the skis are not suitable for here :joy:
philippe
2017-01-14 16:52
what?s the resort ?
philippe
2017-01-14 17:53
tx :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2017-01-15 15:39
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/jase/F3R32HD17/vid_20170115_111433.mp4
jase
2017-01-15 15:40
Much more snow and the country will likely be closed tomorrow. :joy: Expecting close to a metre this next 24 hours.
agalt
2017-01-15 15:41
that is exciting
jase
2017-01-15 18:06
I need one of those
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rjmarsden
2017-01-16 08:40
+1 for Andorra skiing @jase i love that place, i learnt to ski there and have been back loads since. I love the fact that (from memory) all the resorts are connected together. I have fond memories of racing back to pas from another resort before the slopes closed, probably with a little too much drink in me :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2017-01-16 15:24
I don't think much has changed @rjmarsden. The first Aussie I met here told me that "drink driving is the national sport".
rjmarsden
2017-01-16 18:52
Lol I meant racing back on the skis but I know what you mean. Definitely an Aussie quote is that :)
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tkrunning
2017-01-18 20:00
Does anyone have any good/quirky/funny business names? I need some inspiration? I?m opening an Estonian OU (mostly for passive investments in stocks and mutual funds, and potentially as a holding company for future businesses I might start), and need a name :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2017-01-18 20:20
Borscht holdings
agalt
2017-01-18 20:20
good winter soup as well :slightly_smiling_face:
tkrunning
2017-01-18 20:29
:smile:
Other ideas so far:
- Stupid Man Suit OÜ
- Such Trades Very Monies WOW OÜ
jase
2017-01-18 20:30
Oh You OÜ
tkrunning
2017-01-18 20:32
I see what you did there :smile:
maxsuur
2017-01-18 20:33
Do Dah D OÜ
maxsuur
2017-01-18 20:33
haha
maxsuur
2017-01-18 20:33
for passive and quasi musical investments
jase
2017-01-18 20:35
ME OÜ
jase
2017-01-18 20:36
I don't actually know what sound OÜ makes
maxsuur
2017-01-18 20:36
kind of french
jase
2017-01-18 20:36
FROU FR OÜ
maxsuur
2017-01-18 20:36
tight-lip kind of U
maxsuur
2017-01-18 20:37
OÜ yeah!
jase
2017-01-18 20:37
Definition of froufrou
1
: a rustling especially of a woman's skirts
jase
2017-01-18 20:38
Is Estonia suitable for a holding company?
maxsuur
2017-01-18 20:38
this offshore world never ceases to amaze you
maxsuur
2017-01-18 20:42
Does anyone have a "filetut" account?
skat
2017-01-19 06:45
No Dollars OÜ
maxsuur
2017-01-19 08:33
No Dollars for y OÜ
simon
2017-01-19 16:34
Holding Y OÜ
simon
2017-01-19 16:35
@jase Properly structured, it's great. No need to worry about CFC or taxation (unless you need to distribute income).
jase
2017-01-19 16:36
@simon this is something I really need to dial in. Operating companies vs holding
jase
2017-01-19 16:36
Always something to do!
agalt
2017-01-19 19:48
curious about the estonian holding option also. Currently using Nevis for a holding company, but it was setup incorrectly (not held with a trust) so other options are of interest especially if they look more clean on paper.
agalt
2017-01-19 19:50
does estonia allow a foreign corp or trust to own a holding company?
maxsuur
2017-01-20 11:04
This guy included Kuching on the list (and I believe he's quoting Simon) in the article:
stoplight
2017-01-20 11:24
@maxsuur great read! :slightly_smiling_face: ?interesting bit on Kuching?and Cebu as well?although I heard the traffic there now is getting as bad as Manila though?haven?t been there in almost 3 years I think?.surprised to see Curacao on the list?that?s a really nice place! :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-01-20 11:31
Yes! I am looking forward to going to those places
maxsuur
2017-01-20 11:32
Especially Bucaramanga (colombia) and kuching
maxsuur
2017-01-20 11:33
Curaçao, as far as I understand, is the tax heaven for rich people from Venezuela
danz
2017-01-20 12:32
Not only from Venezuela, all over the world. But I believe less and less.
agalt
2017-01-20 12:43
Neat article. Glad to see serbia mentioned. There is a lot of positive economic activity there in real estate as well as being very cheap to live in.
stoplight
2017-01-20 13:19
@danz yes?compared to the other Caribbean islands?its getting less attractive?well..at least thats what they say...
philippe
2017-01-20 17:30
BTW I?m in BKK now :smile:
philippe
2017-01-20 17:30
if anyone is around
agalt
2017-01-20 18:30
you may run into my old accountant who i paid too much for incorrect information :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2017-01-20 18:30
(gald i did not act on it) and started getting help on taxes from @alexanderhay
philippe
2017-01-21 04:52
haha
kl5340dc
2017-01-21 09:10
belgrade is nice, was there only a day this years, looks even nore basic than sofia. But jeez the women hot
kl5340dc
2017-01-21 09:10
tall though
kl5340dc
2017-01-21 09:10
and lots and lots of makeup
agalt
2017-01-21 11:51
Dated a young woman who was half serbian for 3.5 years. Lit my world on fire. Highly recommended if you can manage the hot blooded temper.
agalt
2017-01-21 11:59
I got tired of being pushed in front of moving cars in Zagreb... :)
kl5340dc
2017-01-21 12:20
sounds like every woman
philippe
2017-01-21 16:09
Belgrade is LESS basic than sofia :wink:
philippe
2017-01-21 16:10
but shhht
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skat
2017-01-22 07:42
@philippe i?ll be moving to BKK tomorrow
philippe
2017-01-22 07:43
Going to cm tomorrow haha
danz
2017-01-22 09:34
Welcome hehe, I am in CM
stoplight
2017-01-22 12:06
Lots of you great folks living in Thailand..haha?it?s a short flight from my base of operations?lol..if you guys plan a get together?count me in! :smile:
kl5340dc
2017-01-23 04:12
in cm
harvie
2017-01-23 07:52
Been in Bangkok for 5 years :innocent:
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2017-01-23 09:29
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stoplight
2017-01-23 10:55
Awesome! :smile: ..
danz
2017-01-23 13:09
Seems we need to do a Thailand meet up one day:)
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philippe
2017-01-23 15:22
Here we are in chiang mai
philippe
2017-01-23 15:37
not fond of the accommodation, if anyone has suggestions...
skat
2017-01-23 16:39
and here I am in bangkok :stuck_out_tongue:
skat
2017-01-23 16:39
@philippe what is your budget?
philippe
2017-01-23 16:51
I would be happy to pay less than three hundred euros per month
philippe
2017-01-23 16:52
I should save a bit before hk and Tokyo ^^
skat
2017-01-23 17:06
@philippe https://chrisgrabinski.com/chiang-mai-apartments-digital-nomads/ :wink:
skat
2017-01-23 17:07
@philippe Phutsuang Place has very sweet 9000 baht rooms, you can connect internet in couple of days.
skat
2017-01-23 17:07
Near Phutsuang Place there is another place called R2 ?> it?s very on a budget, 4500 baht room.
skat
2017-01-23 17:10
That list is outdated, there are a lot of new places - just walk through canal road or go to santitam -> tons of guesthouses starting from 3500 baht a month.
skat
2017-01-23 17:11
I would avoid Nimman and all the houses nearby as a plague. Most of places there are unreasonably priced, they try to look like luxury appartments - but in reallity everything just falls apart.
skat
2017-01-23 17:14
skat
2017-01-23 17:14
and down to santitam road ? at least 5 guesthouses.
philippe
2017-01-23 17:22
Like where I am now lol
philippe
2017-01-23 17:22
Thanks a lot
skat
2017-01-23 17:35
I?ve been trying out a lot of those ?luxury' places - they don?t seem luxury to me, just overpriced. The only place i liked is 'The Bliss? - but internet is not perfect.
skat
2017-01-23 17:36
And Santitam Guesthouse was great!
skat
2017-01-23 17:37
Not 300 euro budget though...
skat
2017-01-23 17:37
more like 700 euro
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danz
2017-01-24 01:16
You can try Huay Kaew Residence, around 7000 baht I believe
danz
2017-01-24 01:17
Huay Kaew Palace is really nice, around 10k-12k baht monthly. And the option to get great internet if you pay extra.
kl5340dc
2017-01-24 03:58
I'm in baan thai - only 5700 a month, very basic. But got used to it quickly. Will get more luxury in bkk next month.
kl5340dc
2017-01-24 03:58
baan thai is just in nimman
philippe
2017-01-24 04:07
I?m now in a place over 300, very shitty internet, quite bad condition (they tried a cool industrial look but it?s very badly executed lol)
harvie
2017-01-24 04:29
http://themirrorchiangmai.com/ buddy of mine was paying $400 per month here in 2015, not sure if rates have gone up.
philippe
2017-01-24 04:49
skat: I can't find a place with than name :open_mouth: any hint?
philippe
2017-01-24 04:52
oh I see it in the link; it?s phusuang, thanks :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2017-01-24 05:01
Check baan thai maybe, you can take a look at the rooms first, it is 12000 deposit though but you get it back. Quite basic. I was able to get a room when I got there, within a day
kl5340dc
2017-01-24 05:02
there is internet for extra fee, i believe 600 baht. I didnt take it. Can use 4g ais if needed, but usually don't work there despite having a desk in room. Just work at camp. Keeps me from working when in room, only use it to sleep and shower basically
philippe
2017-01-24 05:10
I prefer to work from home ^^
skat
2017-01-24 05:52
baan Thai didn't click with me at all. Too much foreigners, I prefer to be as local as I can ;)
philippe
2017-01-24 05:53
work in progress, thanks to all :heart:
skat
2017-01-24 05:53
Phusuang Place in that sense has a good feeling. A lot of local university girls living there
skat
2017-01-24 05:54
;)
philippe
2017-01-24 05:54
Skat easier said than done especially on a short stay like us :stuck_out_tongue: But I love it that way too?
philippe
2017-01-24 05:54
haha
philippe
2017-01-24 05:54
my GF wont like that XD
philippe
2017-01-24 05:54
what?s the adress of phusuang ?
philippe
2017-01-24 05:55
ah yes, too far :stuck_out_tongue:
philippe
2017-01-24 05:55
Gonna try the pacific :stuck_out_tongue:
philippe
2017-01-24 05:56
tx
kl5340dc
2017-01-24 06:58
GF won't like baan thai yeah. too simple
kl5340dc
2017-01-24 06:58
I brought girl home though and she said her app is the same. so whatever
kl5340dc
2017-01-24 06:58
don't have problems with foreigners in baan thai, never really see anyone, only ther for sleep/shower
skat
2017-01-24 07:43
Yeah, that was strategy before in Chiang Mai too. But after a while you get to know too many people and bump into them all the time? Good to have some good place I to have my privacy
skat
2017-01-24 07:44
Everytime I come back to chiang mai i have t oscout for coffee shops that are not over-run by ?digital nomads?.
skat
2017-01-24 07:45
Luckily for me, digital nomads are lazy most of the time and follow advices of the crowd. So they don?t really scout much for new places :wink:
philippe
2017-01-24 08:02
XD
philippe
2017-01-24 08:02
I'll try to bump into you
danz
2017-01-24 08:08
Steal your spots:wink:
philippe
2017-01-24 09:54
Where can i buy used table and chairs?
harvie
2017-01-24 10:26
Craig list is your best option for 2nd hand usually
philippe
2017-01-24 10:28
In chiang mai ? OK !
harvie
2017-01-24 10:33
Yes, it's where I sell my 2nd hand stuff. Index Living Mall and Office mate is pretty cheap too, there is most likely a buy/sell expat group on Facebook too where you can find stuff.
philippe
2017-01-24 10:39
Or do they provide desk and chairs at baan thai ?
skat
2017-01-24 11:53
@philippe some places provide you with more furniture for extra cash. bot you can scan facebook chiang mai groups - a lot of people sell them for cheap
philippe
2017-01-24 11:54
Cool
philippe
2017-01-24 11:55
Any Atm with 20k limit in cm ?
simon
2017-01-24 12:04
@philippe go to a bank and ask for a cash advance. You can withdraw more and there's no ATM fee. Or use a Citibank ATM.
philippe
2017-01-24 12:04
:o
philippe
2017-01-24 12:05
Any bank?
simon
2017-01-24 12:26
All the major ones (Bangkok Bank, Krungsri, Krung Thai, SCB etc)
philippe
2017-01-24 12:48
Thank you!
agalt
2017-01-24 21:05
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F3W157PGC/p_20170124_125004.jpg
agalt
2017-01-24 21:05
@el_roberto
agalt
2017-01-24 21:07
"what kind of drugs were the government officials on when they designed the official building looking like mushrooms with 3 banks inside on when they started drawing?"
philippe
2017-01-25 03:16
Thank you @simon cash advance worked like a charm at Bangkok bank on my street! Waiting to see the rate in my bank account.
philippe
2017-01-25 03:16
Concerning citibank I've read that they are charging at atm since a few month.
harvie
2017-01-25 03:17
Bangkok Bangkok usually offer some of the best rates (from my exp). If you plan to stay here long-term getting a bank account is useful as you can send money from PayPal/Skrill etc there. All atms charge a fee now (including Citi)
danz
2017-01-25 03:19
Bangkok bank always offer the best rates in my experience to, by far.
simon
2017-01-25 04:22
Citi doesn't charge a fee if you are a Citi cardholder. I used my HK Citi card as recently as yesterday at the CentralWorld branch and was not charged any fee. The rate was excellent too, same as on http://XE.com
harvie
2017-01-25 04:25
@simon ah, for the longest time the Citi branches in Thailand didn't charge ATM fees regardless of card, that changed I think in August for all non-Citi bank cards.
philippe
2017-01-25 07:05
I really need to open this HK bank account hehe
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jase
2017-01-25 20:10
Is everyone here working on 1 single project/income stream/goal? Or so you do this in multiple areas at once?
jase
2017-01-25 20:16
It seems most successful people say "focus on 1 thing"
jase
2017-01-25 20:16
But most people I meet seem to have a lot going on
soebusiness
2017-01-25 20:29
I think you could focus on 1, but time to time circumstances and speedy changing environment dictate to focus on another. After that we have to use some kind of a priority system, which helps to reach our main goal, defined to me personally as self evolution. Then comes tactics..
skat
2017-01-25 21:26
@jase i mostly have one big source of income. but i do like to do projects on side, mostly it?s a learning experience. sometimes a get additional cash.
danz
2017-01-26 01:10
Multiple projects
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 02:43
1 biz, 2 products, 1 product on 2 platforms. Simple best
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 02:43
easier to add more as products get mature though, but hard to start several things
harvie
2017-01-26 04:22
I have 3, one is a passive business that I don't have to really work on, the other is my marketing agency and the third a service based business, but my gf does all the work I just drum up the leads.
maxsuur
2017-01-26 06:06
Simplicity is underrated nowadays @kl5340dc with all of the sales funnels and the hype. People are putting lots of crap outta there and expecting their copycat tactics to make the sale.
philippe
2017-01-26 08:15
I have a service business (Digital & Branding). I want to use this platform to build and sell products?
philippe
2017-01-26 08:16
Building the machine that build the machine :stuck_out_tongue:
philippe
2017-01-26 08:16
to quote a certain genius
maxsuur
2017-01-26 10:40
Building the machines that sells "the machine"
maxsuur
2017-01-26 10:41
That's what the go-roos do
maxsuur
2017-01-26 10:41
I am fervently in favor of friggin mastering the basics of salemanship in print
maxsuur
2017-01-26 10:42
Creating something people want
maxsuur
2017-01-26 10:42
And market the hell out of it
jase
2017-01-26 11:53
Good chat! I hadn't heard that quote before, I realised about 6 months ago that I am doing the same. I am not passionate about marketing other businesses (I run an agency), but I now realise that team will market my future businesses.
jase
2017-01-26 11:54
Agency/consulting is tough. Not enough control yet results are tied to the customer doing the right thing.
jase
2017-01-26 11:55
But certainly an easy way to become location independent.
maxsuur
2017-01-26 14:57
Sure enough. I believe that to be full in control one needs to own/create a handful of products, know how to sell them, and master the art of paid traffic. And once your product is a proven one, selling and all of that, you start to bring in affiliates. Fellow internet marketers with huge lists, for a profit for them of course. You could even give them all of the money made during the first sale. And then recoup that in the backend. You'd be practically getting new customers for the value of a digital product.
maxsuur
2017-01-26 14:59
I am no marketing expert whatsoever, but listening to the best of the best, and testing their principles and tactics in your own business get you far
jase
2017-01-26 15:18
The focus theme is a funny one. For a big exit I think the money is in 1 thing - grow it big and flog it.
jase
2017-01-26 15:18
But for those wanting to weather financial storms/etc, I like the idea of businesses that support each other
jase
2017-01-26 15:19
I'm building an agency that markets hotels, with the view of running our own property one day (small, luxury, high end)
jase
2017-01-26 15:20
A friend has done the same - he runs a travel concierge business in Africa.. Plans holidays for very wealthy families. Now he's purchased a luxury camp. Guess where he sends the wealthy families :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2017-01-26 15:20
Independent businesses, but with synergies
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:41
That is a very smart strategy. He is in full control of everything.
jase
2017-01-26 15:44
I know of another doing the same. They sell sporting goods, have an established brand, etc. Excellent products. Then a separate company manufactures those sporting goods, but for a lot of brands.
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:49
never paid a dime on advertising
jase
2017-01-26 15:50
organic seo?
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:50
yes and word of mouth
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:50
strong brand
jase
2017-01-26 15:50
likewise, what is your time worth though :wink:
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:51
got in early, would be harder today
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:51
what you mean?
jase
2017-01-26 15:51
same
jase
2017-01-26 15:51
well, developing great content, links, etc. can be done for free
jase
2017-01-26 15:51
but cost you time
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:51
yeah but when it's done properly it will last quite long
jase
2017-01-26 15:51
not disputing that
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:51
plus I like writing
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:52
I like teaching
jase
2017-01-26 15:52
so no dimes spent, but still your time.
jase
2017-01-26 15:52
same
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:52
well what you gonna do when you don't have to work anymore... got to keep yourself busy
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:53
annoying thing with seo is that the rules change all the time. there have been drops in traffic actually, quite severe
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:53
but it's google forcing quality on websites
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:54
way i see it, google wants to show great stuff to people who visit google, so they need great websites to show, great apps to show. You just build it and then they'll do the work to get it in front of people
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:55
the hard part is that this requires giivng a ton of stuff for free, and then the question is what do you sell when all for free
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:55
I don't know, but relying solely on free traffic and SEO does not look like an smart strategy to me
jase
2017-01-26 15:55
fully agreed, i don't need any convincing on SEO
jase
2017-01-26 15:55
i was just saying that there's a cost
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:55
What if google changes the algorithm?
jase
2017-01-26 15:55
even if it's not $$
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:55
google contacted us recently and promoed our app. So they are advertising it for us without us spending any dollar. They like it so they promote as it makes people on android be happy of finding great apps for their phone
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:56
There is always resources invested, time and effort
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:56
They are changing the algorithms
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:56
the way the change is by raising the bar
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:56
you either keep up or you drop out
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:56
You canont expect that an article written 10 years ago is still going to rank today if you did not update it
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:56
My articles used to be 1000 words in 2007
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:57
in 2017 they are 25000 words
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:57
that is what it takes
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:57
That is practically an ebook
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:57
I guess you hired writers and all of that
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:57
no
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:58
I would not have the patience to write those long articles so often
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:58
last time I heard they're doing 7 figures a year with that
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:58
look at the content = they are doing very well in google
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:58
exactly
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:58
that is the approach - you demotivate the competition by writing longer than them
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:59
Well
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:59
They are selling supplements
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:59
long content is also positioning - if you can write 30k words about a single topic like creatine, you mnust know what you're talking about. it builds trust and authority
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:59
Not info products
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:59
no they arent
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:59
they are selling ebooks, they dont sell supplements
maxsuur
2017-01-26 15:59
You go to Frank Kern's site and you dont see that much free info
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 15:59
they research supplements, so you can decide what to buy. They don't sell it themselves
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:00
It depends on how you look at it
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:00
They get commisions right?
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:00
no
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:00
if they would sell supplenents. you would call then biased in their reserach. They're indepdenent. that is the whole angle
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:00
the point of their books is that their articles are so long, you don't want to read it all = just give the summary - that is the ebooks
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:01
Ok. How do they earn money?
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:01
it is pretty smart
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:01
Interesting
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:01
The reverse approach
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:01
three products - https://examine.com/products/ - 2 ebooks and one subscription ebook
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:01
7 figures I'm telling you, its a great business
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:02
Now that you told me the strategy, it makes lots of sense
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:02
their first product was actually just all their articles put together in an ebook - 1000 pages, way too long. But it solved the "i dont want to read the whole site on computer'
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:03
their second prodcut was summaries - I want to build muscle, what is best supplement, wellt his ebook will tell you => save time angle from a website that you already trust
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:04
it's laziness angle - I dont want to read the whole website, just tell me what to do, here buy the little ebook of 20 pages of 50 bucks
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:04
look at their website and ask yourself if that kinda of site is gong to disappear or get slapped by google anytime
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:04
the quality of the articles and research is super high
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:05
they are not going to disappear over night
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:05
Like "i just want what is truly relevant"
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:05
Fluff-free
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:05
and no-one would dare to even try to compete, they raised the bar way too high to do better than them
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:05
google eats that shit up obviously, google creatine and check their rankings
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:06
that is the angle to take with seo in 2017
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:06
That is a very unique business model. First time I have heard of it
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:06
well you only hear of the guys with their adsense blogs getting slapped by google
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:06
meanwhile people are still searching on google, and something has got to show in the top 10 results
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:06
why not you? :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:07
I think this website is quite a good example as well frankly, content of simon is very good, long etc
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:07
This is like being the bully who is the right hand of the teacher
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:08
He supervises the classroom when she is outside and then he gots all the power meanwhile
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:08
Yes, Simon could certainly do that
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:08
Or sell the lifestyle thing which would bank quite heavily too
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:10
read this site if you want to learn the approach - http://www.hobo-web.co.uk/
kl5340dc
2017-01-26 16:11
he's doing what he's selling notice
maxsuur
2017-01-26 16:12
I will. Cool!
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philippe
2017-01-27 11:52
I love working on other businesses (coach / consultant personnality ^^) but it can get old indeed if you get stuck with low results clients
philippe
2017-01-27 11:56
maxsuur: full stack lifestyle business baby
philippe
2017-01-27 11:58
maxsuur: email list brand and website are assets. All the rest are sharecroping :stuck_out_tongue:
philippe
2017-01-27 12:00
kl5340dc: 10x great content theory from Rand Fishkin hehe
philippe
2017-01-27 12:01
kl5340dc: actually you had to start 4 years ago lol
philippe
2017-01-27 12:02
maxsuur: not really
philippe
2017-01-27 12:05
@kl5340dc are you up for bia leo tomorrow evening ?
philippe
2017-01-27 12:08
maxsuur
2017-01-27 14:08
They are getting tons of emails by organic traffic, and that is the beauty of it. If they added paid traffic they'd double or queadruple their profits, if they aren't currently doing it
kl5340dc
2017-01-27 16:59
what's that?
harvie
2017-01-28 03:30
Anyone in Manila, might head there next week
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philippe
2017-01-28 08:46
@philippe uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/philippe/F3XP6FG66/pasted_image_at_2017_01_28_03_46_pm.png
philippe
2017-01-28 08:47
This is the way to go: convert paid and organic trafic to email list and brand :slightly_smiling_face: (and remarketing audience but this is not under control)
maxsuur
2017-01-28 09:05
Personally I think that when you are a small player in comparison to those internet giants, the best way to build a brand is to convert your subscribers into buyers. There is no brand unless you make a helluva lot of sales.
maxsuur
2017-01-28 09:06
Because we are not Christiano Ronaldos nor Beckhams. We cannot live off of our image yet :p
stoplight
2017-01-28 09:47
@harvie ?just got back to Manila yesterday?i?m in the Ortigas Center area..just message me.. :slightly_smiling_face:
harvie
2017-01-28 10:58
Cool, I'm there for a week on the 5th. Staying at Gramercy or something like that, will message you closer to the date.
philippe
2017-01-28 12:12
Haha this is not that kind of brand :p
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danz
2017-01-29 10:36
Yeah
danz
2017-01-29 10:37
I know some companies that they invested in that are doing great
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:54
Yes these are idiots
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:55
afaik some brothers with tons of money copycatting a lot of forreign internet stuff
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:55
and selling it
danz
2017-01-29 10:55
Well, they do a damn great job.
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:55
yes because they have billions to spend
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:55
but they are evil people
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:55
had some hacker friends who dealt with them
danz
2017-01-29 10:55
They have great funding, they made some great exits and investors behind them to
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:55
egocentric egoistic do not give a shit about anything
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:55
but getting richer
danz
2017-01-29 10:55
But can?t really blame them
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:56
well money goes to money
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:56
ethical they are the worst of the worst
danz
2017-01-29 10:56
Maybe, but business wise the best
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:58
No the best but good once since they have a LOT of capital behind them
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:59
anyway I despise people like that .. and would never work for them or deal with them
wojtek
2017-01-29 10:59
you have to have moral code imho
danz
2017-01-29 10:59
They just clone concepts it into other countries, and succeed. It?s not really ethical..but business isn?t always I guess
wojtek
2017-01-29 11:00
well if you would know how they deal with employees, and other companies
wojtek
2017-01-29 11:00
you would think otherwise
danz
2017-01-29 11:00
I read some articles that their assholes yeah
danz
2017-01-29 11:00
but yeah Amazon to.
wojtek
2017-01-29 11:00
yep pure assholes .. of the worst kind
wojtek
2017-01-29 11:01
so except to get fucked if you deal with them ..
danz
2017-01-29 11:01
I actually promote some of their concepts with affiliate marketing lol
wojtek
2017-01-29 11:03
well he asked what we know about them
alextrades
2017-01-29 22:12
what happened with your hacker friends working with them ?
philippe
2017-01-30 02:41
wojtek: no the same as idiot lol
philippe
2017-01-30 02:41
I asked IF not what hehe
philippe
2017-01-30 02:43
but I think it?s just interesting to see how they built a company engine, focusing on assholicity is not very practical, once we know they are asshole we just don?t work with them and avoid doing the same and it?s good ^^
wojtek
2017-01-30 03:49
agreed
wojtek
2017-01-30 03:51
you always fine someone new doing the job if you have money
wojtek
2017-01-30 03:51
and they are too rich that people speak rarely bad about them
agalt
2017-02-01 16:36
anyone use https://about.talky.io/ ? it is like viber only you join a room with a set password but no user accounts to login ?
jase
2017-02-01 20:23
What's everyone's view on publicly being a PT/5 flags/etc?
jase
2017-02-01 20:23
Putting a target on your back?
jase
2017-02-01 20:23
Simon, you've always seemed pretty open about it?
agalt
2017-02-01 21:04
live a completely life on paper, and one off the books as well. have something to show to the authorities, and one to keep to yourself
stoplight
2017-02-02 08:49
President Trump is now raging a war against potentially every country in the world. His anti-Muslim ban definitely could lead to anti-Hispanics, anti-Asian and maybe even anti-European. Wow. Just wow. It's just a matter of time when we will see a backlash to the U.S. and maybe even to all Americans not living in the U.S. It?s a worst time to be a U.S. citizen. Damn.
maxsuur
2017-02-02 09:03
Good times for a 2nd passport
jase
2017-02-02 10:02
Reasons why I never transit through the US
maxsuur
2017-02-02 10:06
Random note: Cuban Residents can conduct business internationally using Stripe Atlas (Delaware incorporated company and Silicon Valley Bank Account)
maxsuur
2017-02-03 08:43
More reasons to become "Georgian"
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stoplight
2017-02-03 15:58
Well for some people they would actually welcome this I think.. :smile:
agalt
2017-02-03 15:58
they can have my passport after i get another one. Looking forward to renouncing my citizenship this year :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-02-03 20:52
Have a great weekend folks
jase
2017-02-03 21:35
Likewise @maxsuur !
jase
2017-02-03 21:36
Expecting a half metre of snow this weekend. Going to enjoy another month or so of skiing before escaping to warmer climates :grin:
stoplight
2017-02-04 09:08
As predicted @agalt ?its finally here?should be implemented around April 2017 so?congratulations in advanced! Once you have your Georgian passport?you should be able to move around in the EU freely! :smile: ?.I hope we can find affordable and fast routes to Georgian citizenship?we need alternatives for the Caribbean programs...
agalt
2017-02-04 09:55
We have alternative fast paths. Want a passport in 2 months?
agalt
2017-02-04 09:56
Guaranteed return in a fund wuth the program and options to liquidate your investment after a set time. Send me a pm @stoplight
agalt
2017-02-04 09:57
Flying to Romania today so ill be offline for awhile.
maxsuur
2017-02-04 13:00
A very interesting episode on building a portfolio of cash-flowing six figure businesses
maxsuur
2017-02-04 13:00
Highly recommend the podcast too
agalt
2017-02-06 18:40
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F41HC4PTM/p_20170206_194207.jpg
agalt
2017-02-06 20:17
Same owners. Really like tbis city so far.
maxsuur
2017-02-07 18:54
How is it going?
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agalt
2017-02-08 10:39
Update from Bucharest Romania: ing bank does not have a problem opening an account for a nevis ibc
agalt
2017-02-08 12:55
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jase
2017-02-10 16:39
Happy weekend everyone!
maxsuur
2017-02-10 16:41
Same thing!
jase
2017-02-10 16:43
Currently batch evaluating 1200 websites for mobile/desktop pagespeed and mobile friendiness
jase
2017-02-10 16:44
The script works well but it's SLOOOOOWWW
jase
2017-02-10 16:56
Anyone have some fun travels coming up? I'm heading to Berlin for a week next month
jase
2017-02-10 16:58
I've been thinking about heading to Primavera Sound Festival in Barcelona in June... not a long way away, but a good change of scenery :slightly_smiling_face:
harvie
2017-02-11 13:25
I met @stoplight last night in Manila, just wanted to say he's an awesome guy, knows the city like the back of his hand and is a fun guy to meet. Thanks bro.
harvie
2017-02-11 14:07
@jase Panama, China, Costa Rica are the plans for 2017. Also Eastern Europe in May, Croatia and nearby countries I hope.
agalt
2017-02-11 14:10
spending some time in Romania, then to budapest, slovenia possibly after that, and back to bulgaria on the way to figure out residency there.
jase
2017-02-11 14:39
Solid plans!
jase
2017-02-11 14:40
I am tempted to drive to Montenegro this summer. Make a road trip out of it. We know plenty of people in Northern Italy, would be nice to spend some time in Slovenia and Croatia
agalt
2017-02-11 14:41
slovenia is one of my favorite places outside of georgia
agalt
2017-02-11 16:13
The culture is similar to parts of Colorado in the states
rjmarsden
2017-02-11 20:12
Cyprus, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Malaga, Fuertaventura and more touring of the UK for me :slightly_smiling_face: A mix of business and personal travel but can't distinguish between the two sometimes!
tkrunning
2017-02-11 21:21
I'll mostly be in SF, Estonia, Edinburgh, and probably Ireland and Malta this year...
maxsuur
2017-02-11 21:22
anyone tax resident in malta?
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nomadn
2017-02-12 12:57
harvie: Let me know when you're in China. I can show you around
stoplight
2017-02-13 05:13
thanks @harvie ?what happens in Manila stays in Manila? hahaha?see you in Thailand.. :slightly_smiling_face:
harvie
2017-02-13 05:33
@stoplight for sure I'll get the red carpet ready at the airport. Good chance I'll be back in 3 months, need to see more of QC :smile:
jase
2017-02-13 17:56
Anyone record podcasts? If so, what sort of equipment do you use? I'm likely to be a guest on a few this year and would like to sound clear on a budget with ideally something that is portable.
maxsuur
2017-02-13 19:28
Blue Yeti
maxsuur
2017-02-13 19:28
And Zoom (portable)
maxsuur
2017-02-13 19:28
Around 100 $
maxsuur
2017-02-13 19:29
Best price-quality ratio out there
maxsuur
2017-02-13 19:38
@jase: that long string of characters is not encrypted. I swear.
jase
2017-02-13 19:41
I have been told to pick up a Samson Q2U kit.. cheap, I just don't know if I need to bother or not.
jase
2017-02-13 19:41
Beginning to wonder if I can set something up in the office to improve my client calls in the process
maxsuur
2017-02-13 20:20
It has good reviews
maxsuur
2017-02-13 20:21
stoplight
2017-02-14 04:42
I used to have Q2U and it served its purpose really well. Relatively affordable and easy to bring around in case you want to record on location. We recorded shows on location for broadcast on AM radio at a later date so it served its purpose pretty well. Though, if you intend to have guests for your podcast, I suggest getting a couple of units.
jase
2017-02-14 11:03
Thanks @stoplight @maxsuur. This is just for me to use at home for the most part. I may take it travelling if I'm going on long trips but I only intend to be a guest - not running my own podcast.
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jase
2017-02-17 16:46
Anyone using Typeform? I'm thinking of using it for our main lead forms
jase
2017-02-17 16:47
It's not cheap for the white labelled version though - dunno if it's worth the $$
maxsuur
2017-02-17 16:57
I've used the Typeform's free plan for a while
maxsuur
2017-02-17 16:57
I quite like those forms, but I don't think I'll pay for it
maxsuur
2017-02-17 16:58
However, I haven't found yet a competitor offering the same kind of forms
jase
2017-02-17 16:59
Yeah there's a WordPress plugin that is attempting to do it but failing
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:00
which one?
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:00
checking it out
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:02
does anyone know how I can get EUR I have sitting on a paypal account back into circulation without transferring it to its associated bank account?
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:03
anything is valid: buying BTC, etc..
jase
2017-02-17 17:04
Buying gold online then selling it at a jeweller? lol
jase
2017-02-17 17:04
probably not the most efficient way
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:04
I'd lose money doing that :stuck_out_tongue:
jase
2017-02-17 17:04
That sentence summarizes PayPal well
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:05
hahah, freaking paypal
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:05
Dislike them so much, but customers love it..
jase
2017-02-17 17:05
it is easy
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:06
sure it is
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:09
LastForm has good reviews on the codecanyon site
jase
2017-02-17 17:09
yeah, keep reading
jase
2017-02-17 17:10
to be honest i switched off as soon as i saw you cant tab through it
jase
2017-02-17 17:10
it's definitely not as intuitive
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:11
So you asked for a refund
jase
2017-02-17 17:11
nah i didn't use it
jase
2017-02-17 17:11
just demod
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:11
ahhh
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:12
anyway, I think soon enough Typeform is going to face strong competition
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:12
Like leadpages
jase
2017-02-17 17:12
with their current pricing I assume so too
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:12
they banked stronygly a few years ago, but more affordable options quickly appeared such Thrive Themes, etc
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:13
if you see Typeform's About page, the whole team is practically all women
jase
2017-02-17 17:14
thats why it's so intuitive
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:14
yes!
jase
2017-02-17 17:14
:smile:
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:14
it is very uncommon
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:14
let's see
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:16
did you try it?
jase
2017-02-17 17:16
not yet
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:16
I did
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:16
and it sucked
jase
2017-02-17 17:16
ha
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:16
a couple of months
jase
2017-02-17 17:16
damn
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:17
you can always try it
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:17
but compared to typeform.... is nothing of the sort
jase
2017-02-17 17:17
yeah. i'm going to trial a kickass form on typeform and run an adwords campaign to it
jase
2017-02-17 17:18
give it a month's trial and see how it goes
jase
2017-02-17 17:18
Trying to systemize this whole sales thing
jase
2017-02-17 17:18
AdWords/Social ads > Typeform > Pipedrive
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:19
cool
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:19
product/service?
jase
2017-02-17 17:19
B2B digital marketing
jase
2017-02-17 17:20
goal to be SwaS with our own product
maxsuur
2017-02-17 17:21
like that business model
jase
2017-02-17 17:23
seems to be a long way off.. but after really kick starting the content marketing small things are happening here and there
agalt
2017-02-17 18:54
after looking at the example on teleform it returned an error. Looking for a post checkout survey that works, and even an american can fill out sucessfully
agalt
2017-02-17 18:58
recieved a "502 bad gateway" when going ot this url
maxsuur
2017-02-18 10:37
Maybe gravity forms?
agalt
2017-02-18 10:39
looks good :slightly_smiling_face: stripe integration as well
maxsuur
2017-02-18 12:01
;) you are welcome
harvie
2017-02-21 07:20
@kl5340dc @wojtek fancy doing something this weekend in Bangkok? Anyone else around?
kl5340dc
2017-02-21 07:20
im there sat/sun/mon
kl5340dc
2017-02-21 07:21
friend joining me, he's coming for first time to thailand
harvie
2017-02-21 07:22
I can do something Saturday can bring a few people out too if you'd like. Bottle service if you want to go out out.
wojtek
2017-02-21 08:04
I thought about driving to northern kanchanaburi with my girlfriend this weekend to go on a road trip with the bikes for two days
wojtek
2017-02-21 08:06
but I can show you around on monday
maxsuur
2017-02-24 12:30
Reading "the system club letters" by Ken Mccarthy
maxsuur
2017-02-24 12:31
Three questions to ask yourself pertinent to business
maxsuur
2017-02-24 12:31
1. What's working?
maxsuur
2017-02-24 12:31
2. What's missing?
maxsuur
2017-02-24 12:31
3. What's left?
maxsuur
2017-02-24 12:32
Food 4 thought
maxsuur
2017-02-24 12:35
3. What's next? (This is the good one)
agalt
2017-02-26 16:43
anyone passionate about cooking in here? I'm looking for a chef's knife, to put in my checked bag while i travel. most of the knives at the airbnb kitchens leave a lot to be desiered, so the solution is to: buy a nice one and bring it with me or buy a cheap one in every country I go and leave the place better than I found it.
agalt
2017-02-26 16:45
Looking at the following: 1. DALSTRONG Chef Knife - Gladiator Series - German HC Steel - 8" (200mm)
by Dalstrong
Link: http://a.co/g2BAZVa
agalt
2017-02-26 16:45
Victorinox 8 Inch Fibrox Pro Chef's Knife 40520, 47520, 45520 Frustration Free Packaging
by Victorinox
Link: http://a.co/9VyfvFV
agalt
2017-02-26 16:46
Condor Tool and Knife Nessmuk Knife, Wood Handle, Leather Sheath
by Condor Tools & Knives
Link: http://a.co/4bsmHad
alexanderhay
2017-02-28 12:47
You know I bought a nice little chefs knife and brought it to Tbilisi. The home goods products here are shoddy and expensive. I spent all of $10.00 at amazon and the knife is very good. Easy to sharpen, holds and edge, etc. Not fancy but gets the job done.
alexanderhay
2017-02-28 12:48
agalt
2017-02-28 12:48
mora from sweeden makes some practical stuff as well
agalt
2017-02-28 12:49
$14 per knife or something
alexanderhay
2017-02-28 12:49
I have a camping knife alot like that Nessmuk Knife. It is nice to have a good all around utility knife, but I wanted a chefs knife.
agalt
2017-02-28 12:49
good points
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stoplight
2017-03-03 17:45
Want a free vacation in New Zealand? :smile:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/new-zealand-pay-holiday-agree-job-interview-looksee-wellington-wreda-workhere-travel-tech-career-a7605486.html
agalt
2017-03-03 18:03
those that waited for fast and easy programs for second passports may have waited too long.
stoplight
2017-03-03 18:08
@agalt ?
agalt
2017-03-03 18:09
people waited to take action, and these programs may get harder or more expensive for the Americans who waited.
agalt
2017-03-03 18:09
that is all
stoplight
2017-03-03 18:09
oh yes..definitely agree! :slightly_smiling_face:
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2017-03-12 16:43
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maxsuur
2017-03-12 17:24
Lovely
agalt
2017-03-12 19:35
It has been there awhile though.
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jase
2017-03-20 10:09
Hey @rjmarsden did you end up recording that course about 3cx?
rjmarsden
2017-03-20 10:24
Yes @jase, about to release it mate, been delayed getting to grips with screencasting software :slightly_smiling_face: I message you the details before the end of the week
jase
2017-03-20 10:25
Ah excellent. No rush - I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it! Thanks @rjmarsden
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globalconsulteurope
2017-03-21 18:47
International tax planning online course: https://www.coursera.org/learn/international-taxation
globalconsulteurope
2017-03-21 18:51
I am not sure if that is the proper channel to exchange info about useful resources
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agalt
2017-03-22 21:17
Anyone in Italy?
agalt
2017-03-22 21:17
Ill be in rome within the next day
agalt
2017-03-26 12:48
Quite disappointed with this city so far. It seems the advancement happened hundreds of years ago and did not keep progressing.
agalt
2017-03-26 13:21
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F4P4VRRA5/p_20170326_134744.jpg and commented: Black and grey market services have a solution for this hopefully. Any suggestions for black/ grey market taxi apps in rome?
maxsuur
2017-03-27 10:56
Revolut business is rolling out
agalt
2017-03-27 18:27
Yes. Recieved an emsil from them recently about it. Crossing my fingers that it turns out better than the past revolut product
titusblair
2017-03-27 18:43
hey everyone. anyone know of an awesome freelance growth hacker? looking for someone to help me with my businesses and clients businesses.
titusblair
2017-03-27 18:44
feel free to direct message me
agalt
2017-03-27 19:51
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jase
2017-03-27 23:39
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2017-03-30 16:31
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soebusiness
2017-04-05 20:34
If you want to be somewhere else :wink:
jase
2017-04-06 07:38
jase
2017-04-06 07:39
I love this city :smile:
maxsuur
2017-04-06 08:45
Kim Dotcom Strikes Again:
maxsuur
2017-04-06 08:45
maxsuur
2017-04-07 13:47
Hi guys, what email marketing platform are you using for your business needs?
philippe
2017-04-10 14:43
I?m pretty sure it?s funny with google translate :stuck_out_tongue:
http://www.slate.fr/story/138062/second-tour-marine-melenchon-conseils-survie
simon
2017-04-10 15:33
@philippe it's funny in French too! Manger une taupe haha. You'd think they are preparing for a nuclear apocalypse.
philippe
2017-04-10 15:34
You don't know those guys :p
maxsuur
2017-04-10 19:33
@simon any estimated dates for china's and south america's integration' courses release?
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tkrunning
2017-04-11 16:18
@maxsuur I?ve mostly used Mailchimp in the past, but just signed up for SendPulse which actually looks really promising. I just switched over one of my lists there, and will start using it actively this week.
They have a lot of personalization features (you can even use logic in subject lines), free unlimited web push notifications, and an ?AI? system that will help you reach your customers in a more effective manner.
Pricing is better than most competitors. You can use my referral link for $50 credit to test it out
https://sendpulse.com/?ref=6655762
tkrunning
2017-04-11 16:18
They also have a free tier for lists up to 2500 users
tkrunning
2017-04-11 16:19
They also have this AppSumo deal going on that I already purchased? http://www.appsumo.com/sendpulse400/?rf=brws
tkrunning
2017-04-11 16:20
You can add that to your account after signing up, so you get both the $50 credit and the Appsumo deal :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-04-11 17:12
I can't believe @jake desyllas is here
maxsuur
2017-04-11 17:12
Huge huge fan of your podcast and your books
maxsuur
2017-04-11 17:12
How is it going mate?
jake
2017-04-11 17:14
Thanks @maxsuur :smile: I?m very well. Glad to find like-minded people on this group.
maxsuur
2017-04-11 17:15
Fantastic! Without what I discovered through your podcast, the flag theory and all of that, probably I would not be here. I see that you moved out of Panama. UK resident again? What happened?
jake
2017-04-11 17:21
We loved Panama so much that we decided to stick around and start a family there. Then, just after my wife got pregnant, the news about the spread of the zika virus started coming out. Normally we don?t pay much attention to health scares, but it?s different when it is not your own risk to take. So we moved back to the UK. My daughter was born there last summer (healthy), and now we are preparing to leave the UK again soon!
jake
2017-04-11 17:22
Also- thanks for your kind words about my podcast. Great to hear that it helped.
maxsuur
2017-04-11 17:26
Absolutely! Wow! Didn't know about that, sorry Jake. But as Harry Browne would say, you always have to pay a price. Anyway, I believe here you can find new and interesting alternatives for residency. I'd love to see or hear @simon on "The voluntary life" show. :smile:
jake
2017-04-11 17:28
Lol, well your wish is granted. @simon is actually this week?s guest.
maxsuur
2017-04-11 17:30
The heck! Haha lovely. I can foresee many of your listeners joining this slack channel. Good stuff :))
pragmatic
2017-04-11 17:54
hmm... perhaps I should look this jake desyllas guy up :slightly_smiling_face:
ahawkins
2017-04-12 04:55
oh, @jake runs voluntary life?
jake
2017-04-12 05:03
Yeah, The Voluntary Life is my podcast. Do you know it?
jake
2017-04-12 06:19
By the way @maxsuur regarding Panama- we do intend to go back eventually. The big risk from the zika virus is brain damage to unborn children, but once you are born that risk no longer applies (it would still be unpleasant to get it, but not the same category of risk as for unborn kids).
maxsuur
2017-04-12 07:13
Wow, great. Once the danger is gone, it is safe to go back. I have a friend of mine living in Panama city, I may pay you a visit there sometime, if no other viruses are around. Anyway, we could always bring John Mcafee, the antivirus software guy to combat it who is very fond of central american countries :))
jase
2017-04-12 08:04
Hey @jake! Welcome to FS - I too have enjoyed your podcast. We have very similar views on the world from what I've picked up. :slightly_smiling_face:
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agalt
2017-04-18 07:46
Is anyone in Bulgaria currently? @roman ?
roman
2017-04-18 07:47
I?m not. I am in Chiang Mai. Might go to Plovdiv in August or so.
agalt
2017-04-18 07:49
Cool
jase
2017-04-18 10:41
Just listened to your podcast @simon @jake, nice one.
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agalt
2017-04-19 08:00
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roman
2017-04-19 10:11
Maybe just a poor villager? :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2017-04-19 10:13
no. same gypsy that digs the bottles out of the trash outside the apartment where the gf and I live on a daily basis. Ive lived in this neighborhood about 3 months in the last year or so.
agalt
2017-04-19 10:13
It is nothing I have a problem with, just an interesting snapshot of life here in Sofia, Bulgaria
agalt
2017-04-19 10:15
Its the same type of thing that happened in the white ghetto I lived in outside of St. Louis, Missouri USA for 3 years
roman
2017-04-19 11:26
They had people on horses in St. Louis? :smile:
agalt
2017-04-19 11:36
usually the cops for riots, or the people outside the city who had small farms near St. Charles
agalt
2017-04-20 11:13
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F51RW5QR1/screenshot_20170420-115119.jpg and commented: Curious to see what quality of service / $ spent others on fs are receiving
roman
2017-04-20 12:12
~ 50 Mbps both ways on AIS 4G in Chiang Mai
rjmarsden
2017-04-20 12:14
that is impressive for the price @agalt
agalt
2017-04-20 12:16
@rjmarsden Tremendous value can be had here in Sofia, and the other Balkan countries in many consumer, business, and lifestyle catagories
roman
2017-04-20 12:17
@agalt have you checked Plovdiv yet? I think there are a few nomads hitting it this summer.
roman
2017-04-20 12:17
I might also in August
agalt
2017-04-20 12:17
it beats pulling my hair out in Itally for 5 days for sure (girlfriends idea was to see rome for her birthday)
agalt
2017-04-20 12:18
ive been to plodiv for a few days, but would find it hard to live there. I'm an introvert (except online) and don't allways do well around other large groups of the DN community
roman
2017-04-20 12:19
So there is a large group od DN there?
roman
2017-04-20 12:19
I am not really hanging out with DNs either tbh.
agalt
2017-04-20 12:19
I like Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria (where the gf grew up near), but plodiv seemed to be too touristy
roman
2017-04-20 12:19
I just said they are going there. I am not going to keep them company or anything hahahaha
roman
2017-04-20 12:20
> plodiv seemed to be too touristy
Hmm, interesting. I thought it was the opposite. Cuz it wasn?t near the water. Someone dubbed it as Chiang Mai of Europe.
agalt
2017-04-20 12:21
A friend of mine who i first met in KL spent time in Plodiv and discussed that it was like the Chang mai of europe, but that is too much of a social catastrophy for my taste
agalt
2017-04-20 12:23
I'm a big fan of Ljubliana, Slovenia. The cafe's are not "laptop friendly" so to speak. The internet speeds in cafe's seem to be slow on purpose to push the 1 espresso every two hours crowd. They will ask you to leave if you sit too long. Its a nice city to live in and work at home though
agalt
2017-04-20 12:25
Ljubliana has an intersting social order. Serbian mafia, and local organized white collar crime keeps things in check. It is very currupt, but quite safe if you respect the social order
pragmatic
2017-04-20 12:25
Serbian mafia? lol, they don't have their own? What is your origin agalt?
agalt
2017-04-20 12:26
they have different organizations. the serbians are the loan sharks, another group is involved in other things
agalt
2017-04-20 12:27
@pragmatic I'm a guy from St. Louis, Missouri USSA that left the states september 10th of 2015 with carry on luggage and made a peaceful exit
skat
2017-04-23 14:44
@agalt totally loved Ljubljana by the way!
agalt
2017-04-23 14:55
Awesome! It is an amazing place! Small city. Kind wonderful people. Great food. Reasonable prices. Easy to fly in and out of Zagreb then take the train in. Clpse to italy idlf you want to take gopti mini bus from Trieste. It is my happy mental vacation place. They are in the process of legalization of marijuana also. It is like a mini Amsterdam in this aspect. You can buy cbd oil if you have chronic psin in stores inside the city center as well. Very quiet hub for business networking as well. Bankers from Austria and Switzerland come down for talks with others in the Balkans to do business the old way, over dinner, in person.
tkrunning
2017-04-26 11:08
Hey guys! Who?s in Malta this week? (I am)
@netroxx, @ivopalazzi, anyone else?
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agalt
2017-05-02 16:41
Cute... It is not a conspiracy theory apparently: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/02/facebook-criticized-for-analyzing-teenagers-feelings-emotions.html
maxsuur
2017-05-03 21:16
Anyone based in Austria or visiting at the moment?
ivopalazzi
2017-05-03 23:06
best place for picking up girls in EE? :smiling_imp:
maxsuur
2017-05-04 06:33
Haha I thought it was Romania
maxsuur
2017-05-04 06:34
But it is infinitely easier than Germany when it comes to getting laid
agalt
2017-05-04 06:50
Georgians are great, but the divorced ones are the only ones thst will go home with you after a few dates. Some religious b.s. sticks in their head from a young age about no pre-marriage sex. There are so many divorced women in their 20's on tinder that your odds are good.
tatelev
2017-05-04 06:54
can?t beat Paris in my own experience
tatelev
2017-05-04 06:55
easiest might be Finland, but that?s because they get so easily drunk
maxsuur
2017-05-04 07:49
Mexico is not that far off, specially if you hit a medium-sized city
maxsuur
2017-05-04 07:49
where there are not so many foreigners
maxsuur
2017-05-04 07:49
and you're white
maxsuur
2017-05-04 07:49
:slightly_smiling_face:
globalconsulteurope
2017-05-04 08:05
I heard the same about Philippines :) obviously white people are considered exotic ones :grinning:
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:14
exactly. to be honest, the mexicans and the filipinos are not that different
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:14
they look somewhat similar
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:14
and were conquered by the spaniards long ago
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:15
that's also why both countries are a bit of a mess, but fun to live in them for the exotic and white "conquistador"
tatelev
2017-05-04 08:20
he asked in EE
tatelev
2017-05-04 08:20
I answered with that in mind
tatelev
2017-05-04 08:21
if we think globally my pick will be different :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:28
@tatelev yes, but when globalconsulteurope mentioned the phillipines, I could not have it compared to Mexico :slightly_smiling_face:
tatelev
2017-05-04 08:29
sure, I was just clarifying that my pick of France & Finland was on an european context
tatelev
2017-05-04 08:30
on a global scale I would pick Brazil :wink:
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:30
France and Finland for F**ing
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:30
nice
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:31
never been to brazil just yet
maxsuur
2017-05-04 08:31
it's on my list
agalt
2017-05-04 08:39
Georgia panoramic view of the city
ivopalazzi
2017-05-04 09:22
Asia is a pussy paradise lol
ivopalazzi
2017-05-04 09:22
Been in Prague, its horrible here
ivopalazzi
2017-05-04 09:22
Moving to Finland in the next days :slightly_smiling_face:
tatelev
2017-05-04 09:27
@ivopalazzi I had asumed we were only considering in terms where no commercial transactions was involved :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2017-05-04 11:54
Seoul, Korea.
kl5340dc
2017-05-04 11:55
Not easy, but most beautiful of all asia, party hard, and high volume.
maxsuur
2017-05-04 13:26
me too @tatelev
maxsuur
2017-05-04 13:26
just personal charm and in the trenches skillzz haha
maxsuur
2017-05-04 13:27
I just hope our girlfriends don't read this stuff
maxsuur
2017-05-04 13:27
:smile:
agalt
2017-05-05 15:19
Haha! (not political) us accounts don't see this kind of scrutiny and us llc accounts can be owned by Bahamas trusts if you want privacy. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/breaking-macron-busted-lied-tax-evasion-4chan-pol-posts-images-macrons-off-shore-bank-account/
tatelev
2017-05-06 07:38
following up on the best places to pick up girls, here is some food for thought about what will cost you to go on a cheap date :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2017-05-06 07:46
Cheapest date ever? Get her into a park, sit on a bench, and let your charm do the rest. Equally inexpensive in every single country :)
tatelev
2017-05-06 07:49
yeah, a similar date to the one you describe got me my camera and the girl?s wallet stolen by a quick runner in Brazil, so that one was expensive :slightly_smiling_face:
tatelev
2017-05-06 07:50
but I agree, charm has more value than dinner + drinks
maxsuur
2017-05-06 09:07
Hahhaa. These sneaky brazilian runners.. gotta be careful with them
tkrunning
2017-05-06 19:11
Anyone near Estonia these days? I?ll be here for a bit, so say hi and I?ll buy you a Põhjala :slightly_smiling_face:
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2017-05-09 00:05
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johncitizen
2017-05-09 00:40
Hi all, long time oil & gas expat looking for a life change here. Also an e-resident and running a small business in Estonia
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2017-05-09 04:31
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tatelev
2017-05-09 05:57
hi John, welcome :slightly_smiling_face:
tatelev
2017-05-09 05:58
I?m an amazon seller. Import from China and sell in USA & Europe. Live in Spain
stoplight
2017-05-09 08:02
Welcome @johncitizen
simon
2017-05-09 08:55
@johncitizen Hi John, welcome onboard! How's your experience with Estonia been so far?
johncitizen
2017-05-09 09:21
Excellent, joined Estban last year as well
skat
2017-05-09 14:16
@ivopalazzi try Latvia, but don?t do it in touristy spots.
maxsuur
2017-05-10 09:31
Hi guys, want to pick your brains this time
maxsuur
2017-05-10 09:31
What has been the most powerful idea, concept, resource you have discovered this year?
maxsuur
2017-05-10 09:32
Mine: without a doubt: the daily email theory bu Ben Settle, which is resulting in a huge economic impact in my business
agalt
2017-05-11 07:35
The stupidity never ceases to amuse some of us. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/10/u-s-to-ban-laptops-in-all-cabins-of-flights-from-europe
maxsuur
2017-05-11 07:36
Really?
maxsuur
2017-05-11 07:36
monumental insanity once again
pragmatic
2017-05-11 07:38
jesus christ
maxsuur
2017-05-11 07:38
one more excuse for everyone to "compulsorily" check-in baggage. Who's travelling without a laptop nowadays?
pragmatic
2017-05-11 07:38
seriously?
pragmatic
2017-05-11 07:38
and who's going to pay if it gets stolen?
pragmatic
2017-05-11 07:38
outrageous
maxsuur
2017-05-11 07:39
and don't forget the data, which is often more important than the laptop
maxsuur
2017-05-11 07:39
mmmm.., this is a HUGE nbusiness opportunity
maxsuur
2017-05-11 07:39
any ideas?
jase
2017-05-11 08:33
Global laptop rental scheme at all airports. Pay a yearly subscription and check in/out a laptop at any major airport in the world
simon
2017-05-11 08:35
@jase Would you use Chromebooks (or similar) or more conventional computers (with a higher risk of malware) for such a service?
jase
2017-05-11 08:35
Chromebook was my initial thought
jase
2017-05-11 08:36
I think you'd need a Google and Apple variant.
jase
2017-05-11 08:36
Could setup "wiping stations" at the airport so as soon as you check it in its gets formatted
simon
2017-05-11 08:40
It would also need to include insurance (easy to arrange and cheap thanks to volume discounts). There will be lots of fraud and theft due to the nature of the products involved.
johncitizen
2017-05-11 08:42
We just talked about the global laptop rental at airports thing today
johncitizen
2017-05-11 08:42
You'd want something cloud enabled like a Chromebook
simon
2017-05-11 08:47
Yes or maybe the new Windows S? I'm not exactly familiar with it but I imagine it could fit the bill?
simon
2017-05-11 08:49
Out of curiosity, how would you guys run such a business?
Focus on a few major airports where there is lots of business travelers, rent the laptops airside and negotiate a deal with the airport authorities to allow the laptops to be taken onboard (like some airlines have done).
Or focus on building as many rental stations as possible to rent the laptops after the travelers have cleared immigration?
simon
2017-05-11 08:50
At their destination I mean
johncitizen
2017-05-11 08:50
I'm hoping this just forces phone manufacturers to turn phones into a PC
johncitizen
2017-05-11 08:50
So I can dock with a hotel TV and my docking station
pragmatic
2017-05-11 08:51
Might be useful for business owners who just need email and excel or whatever
pragmatic
2017-05-11 08:51
Doesn't work for us programmers :stuck_out_tongue:
simon
2017-05-11 08:55
@johncitizen Hyatt has just announced that by the end of 2018 all of their hotels will have Chromecast in every room. This is a step in the right direction.
agalt
2017-05-11 08:55
Im happy to deliver used 13 inch macbook air laptops for a price through the concierge service however I wont do business in the ussa so that opportunity is lost.
agalt
2017-05-11 08:57
Andromium is cool (for desktop functionality) if you have hdmi out on your phone.
agalt
2017-05-11 08:59
Delivery of these possibly at airports in the USSA https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andromium/the-superbook-turn-your-smartphone-into-a-laptop-f
johncitizen
2017-05-11 09:02
Looks good :)
simon
2017-05-11 09:04
@agalt The kickstarter page shows a delivery date of Jan and Feb 2017. Anyone here has tried one of the "superbook"?
johncitizen
2017-05-11 09:05
Honestly I only ever need a terminal
agalt
2017-05-11 09:05
No idea. Saw some stuff on YouTube awhile back.
johncitizen
2017-05-11 09:06
I pretend I need all this fancy stuff, but usually a headless terminal to ssh home is fine to do 90% of my work.
agalt
2017-05-11 09:06
The only thing i care about is: does it have 4 cores, 4gb of ram and 128gb ssd. Linux or bust since 2007
johncitizen
2017-05-11 14:12
I'm using qubes 4.0 :)
agalt
2017-05-11 14:28
interesting choice :slightly_smiling_face:
johncitizen
2017-05-12 01:54
Well I have tails on a USB and Qubes on my home box, then we have a qnap and running a stack of virtual machines. Qubes is great for segregating life. I have an old Blackphone as well for doing the same but they don't officially support it anymore so I'm using a nexus 5 with Kali on it for messing around.
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2017-05-12 08:20
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agalt
2017-05-13 08:40
@agalt uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/agalt/F5CG3CU65/2017-05-13_11.39.02.jpg
2017-05-13 23:02
@clr commented on @agalt?s file https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/U1L4GV56C/F5CG3CU65/2017-05-13_11.39.02.jpg: According to my life this is true.
maxsuur
2017-05-14 01:49
Fair enough
agalt
2017-05-15 10:26
did this directly impact anyone here: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-chinese-universities-hit-extortion-094803226.html
jase
2017-05-15 11:33
I assume as usual, that these involve people clicking a dodgy link/installing suspect software?
jase
2017-05-15 11:33
That is, I shouldn't spend time thinking about this?
simon
2017-05-15 11:43
@agalt I'd be surprised if any here were affected. Computer safety is a user issue, not a software issue. If you are remotely tech savvy, the chances of anything bad happening are very low.
jase
2017-05-15 11:45
Speaking of, what's our split of Windows/Mac/Linux users here?
jase
2017-05-15 11:45
Are you using a virus scanner?
jase
2017-05-15 11:45
I'm still on Windows - Win 10 - direct upload to the NSA cloud lol
jase
2017-05-15 11:47
Been meaning to make the jump to (probably) Ubuntu for 5+ years now, but a lack of simplicity has always prevented me from doing it (drivers, applications, etc).
jase
2017-05-15 11:47
As everything moves into the cloud I see this changing fast, but nowadays I hold an "if it's not broke, don't fix it" policy - spending a weekend working on my laptop is time I'd rather spend elsewhere
maxsuur
2017-05-15 12:21
Linux here @jase
maxsuur
2017-05-15 12:23
Last year my laptop would repeatedly get the BSOD (blue of screen of death), even after performing on my laptop possibly all of possible actions to "cure" the disease
maxsuur
2017-05-15 12:23
nothing worked
maxsuur
2017-05-15 12:23
so, I installed Linux, and my literally my virtual life changed
maxsuur
2017-05-15 12:24
I am now a reformed man
maxsuur
2017-05-15 12:26
the sole idea of returning back to windows gives me.. goosebumps
maxsuur
2017-05-15 12:26
so, if you ever can make the leap, I believe you won't regret it. But yes, there's a learning curve
agalt
2017-05-15 12:44
@simon this community is savvy indeed. The impact question was more of a general example of: "I was in a bank, goverment office, etc and heard the employees discussing how the worm impacted their business"
jase
2017-05-15 13:08
maxsuur: I used to work with it at a server level every day so the learning curve shouldn't be too steep. More like swapping my systems over to it. I just haven't made time for it.
simon
2017-05-15 16:28
I'm in the very small and select club of iOS users :stuck_out_tongue:
simon
2017-05-15 16:28
For my main computer I mean.
agalt
2017-05-15 18:03
Rock what works for you :) @simon
stoplight
2017-05-15 18:46
I?m with @simon ?fruity user here for my main laptop and non-sensitive stuff? :smile: ?and a windows laptop with wifi always off as my backup for the other stuff?lols.. :smile: ?
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josh
2017-05-18 23:28
This looks like a fun opportunity :smiley: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/18/italy-is-giving-away-over-100-castles-for-free--theres-only-one-catch.html
johncitizen
2017-05-19 04:13
@josh I'll go you halves.
maxsuur
2017-05-20 09:34
@maxsuur uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/maxsuur/F5GMW34KZ/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg
globalconsulteurope
2017-05-20 09:53
Any spoilers on that? :)
maxsuur
2017-05-20 10:04
Maybe Elon Musk is going to be the ambassador of e-stonia in Mars
maxsuur
2017-05-20 10:04
Who knows
josh
2017-05-20 10:11
@johncitizen as long as I don't have to live in one place for the whole decade! :sweat_smile:
simon
2017-05-21 07:52
Maybe they will finally do away with the need to get a physical card at an embassy. If everything went digital, this would be a big deal!
maxsuur
2017-05-21 10:35
@simon it'd be cool to have a cryptocurrency channel on Slack
maxsuur
2017-05-21 10:36
Btw, Bitcoin is going through the roof. Predictions?
danz
2017-05-21 11:02
Not only BTC:)
danz
2017-05-21 11:03
Expected around 2k end of the year, but this is crazy.
maxsuur
2017-05-21 11:06
it's already 2k @danz
danz
2017-05-21 11:06
I know
danz
2017-05-21 11:07
Just touched 2.100
maxsuur
2017-05-21 11:07
so?
maxsuur
2017-05-21 11:07
maybe 4k by the end of the year?
danz
2017-05-21 11:10
Hopefully, hard to predict a market like this, but I would say 3-4k at the end of the year
danz
2017-05-21 11:10
And ETH at 250
danz
2017-05-21 11:15
You also trade other crypto?s?
maxsuur
2017-05-21 11:21
BTC and XMR so far, buying and holding mainly
harvie
2017-05-21 11:24
I think BTC will go through the roof, everyone buying into alcoints (shit coins) lots of pump and dumps happening see here (http://bluemagic.info/blog/movements/). To buy and sell alts you usually have to trade back into BTC. I'd like ETH to hit $200-300 end of the year, but not sure how much that is being bought as part of the pump/dump or newbs. Take my comments with a pinch of salt
harvie
2017-05-21 11:24
Some good reads here about where the current influx of cash is coming from:
https://medium.com/@coin_and_peace/new-wave-of-japanese-investors-are-fueling-the-great-altcoin-bubble-a504383172ff
https://medium.com/@coin_and_peace/additional-evidence-for-the-japanese-led-cryptocurrency-bubble-2c13ab2a4d49
danz
2017-05-21 11:26
Yeah, I read that it?s mostly new money coming in from Japanese. But I don?t think the bubble will burst anytime soon, but it will eventually I would guess.
danz
2017-05-21 11:26
But expect BTC to keep rising, especially if altcoins one day will slow down
harvie
2017-05-21 11:26
Agree, I think we are at the start of the bubble.
danz
2017-05-21 11:27
It would go through the roof if so many billion of the marketcap of the altcoins would switch back to BTC
clr
2017-05-21 12:30
I think that Bitcoin will crash once the transaction fees get to a ridiculous level. Right now a Bitcoin transaction almost costs $2. Hopefully after that miners and the Bitcoin industry will wake up and raise the block size limit. If that happens, altcoins will crash hard.
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maxsuur
2017-05-22 14:33
it's a pity than even private conversations history in Slack are no longer available to see on the free plan
maxsuur
2017-05-22 14:34
I've lost valuable information shared with others here in the past
agalt
2017-05-22 14:55
maybe slack isnt the end all and be all. it beats facebook, so that is a plus.
agalt
2017-05-22 14:56
does anyone use eXo platform for work or social reasons: https://youtu.be/QKFLin7CPyk
simon
2017-05-22 17:46
Yes Slack is a bit of a pain in this regard. The problem with the paid plans though is that they are quite expensive for a community like ours. Around 5-10$ per user per month I think...
simon
2017-05-22 17:47
The other platforms you guys are recommending, do they have similar limits?
philippe
2017-05-22 18:18
Yup Slack is for business not for communities
philippe
2017-05-22 18:19
we can keep it for chat but some discourse for example is better for logn term information building
philippe
2017-05-22 18:19
the other solution and I think it was kind of your intent is building freedomsurfer (private and public) based on what happen here so we wont really need acccess to historic communications?
maxsuur
2017-05-22 18:20
What do you mean @philippe ?
maxsuur
2017-05-22 18:23
I quite like Slack. It'd be amazing to have a tool that periodically extracts Slack history and stores it somewhere, so the members can have access to all of that information whenever is needed.
philippe
2017-05-22 18:24
hehe good hack idea
agalt
2017-05-22 18:25
im happy this is not facebook. facebook has turned into the trailer-trash of the internet, but has some good marketing purposes.
maxsuur
2017-05-22 18:28
Yep, I believe it is doable if somebody hasn't come up with a solution already. Any programmers around?
maxsuur
2017-05-22 18:30
It seems that Slack has export functionalities, how convenient!
maxsuur
2017-05-22 18:33
Someone came up with even a better solution: https://levels.io/slack-export-to-html/
agalt
2017-05-22 18:33
thats fantastic! :smile:
simon
2017-05-22 18:35
Looks just like the slack interface
simon
2017-05-22 18:36
Only works for public messages though as far as I can tell so if you have important private messages, better save them to Word or something
maxsuur
2017-05-22 18:49
The slack export seems to work also for private messages
maxsuur
2017-05-22 18:51
Anyway, a solution would be to have the export github backing up the slack channel periodicall, so FS members can download it at anytime from the membership area
maxsuur
2017-05-22 18:51
Through a download link
simon
2017-05-23 07:07
@simon uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/simon/F5HER3MQX/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg
simon
2017-05-23 07:07
Making good progress. Only have to fix a problem with encoding on the python script and the archives will be up
maxsuur
2017-05-23 07:46
Awesome Simon! You seriously rock man :wink:
pragmatic
2017-05-23 09:09
that was fast
stoplight
2017-05-23 15:09
Nicee! :slightly_smiling_face:
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2017-05-25 12:27
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maxsuur
2017-05-25 12:38
Du kannst hier in Bitcoin bezahlen
maxsuur
2017-05-25 12:39
@maxsuur uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/maxsuur/F5H7G0VJL/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg
maxsuur
2017-05-25 12:39
In a random bar in vienna
simon
2017-05-25 13:04
Nice! Although I'm quite shocked at their closing time! 18h!
maxsuur
2017-05-25 13:22
Haha, welcome to central europe
globalconsulteurope
2017-05-25 13:50
Welcome to the Balkans then :slightly_smiling_face:
No closing time at some places or closing time of clubs similar to opening time of some food corners
agalt
2017-05-26 10:41
laughs and smiles: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-25/around-world-80-crazy-taxes
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maxsuur
2017-05-31 06:31
Did you try it @jase ?
jase
2017-05-31 06:32
Nah I have been removing notifications from my world instead :grin:
jase
2017-05-31 06:33
I only use Slack/WhatsApp and email nowadays.. controlled by times of day
jase
2017-05-31 06:33
Messenger I get 0 notifications from
jase
2017-05-31 06:33
Oh and Skype I just login for meetings then exit
jase
2017-05-31 06:34
Ideally I'd like to divert messenger to email, same with Skype
maxsuur
2017-05-31 06:41
Cool! There's a tendency towards minimalism. Frankly, I am doing the same. All notifications removed from all of these apps, but whatsapp, which probably will be the next one to be turned off too :)
agalt
2017-05-31 07:34
Viber is the only one beside email worth checking frequently during the day. Slack has too many groups and chanels. Website forms have been amazing lately though. They dont always turn out pretty, but it lets you get info to help people efficiently.
jase
2017-05-31 07:35
I have the benefit of only a few close people having my whatsapp, so if I get a message on there it's usually important
jase
2017-05-31 07:35
I have friends trying to encourage me to use "their" chat app - screw that, email me man
jase
2017-05-31 07:35
One thing I've found is people don't have the attention span for email anymore
jase
2017-05-31 07:36
They need a chat app to slap them across the head and ask for a reply now
agalt
2017-05-31 07:45
Viber works for close friends and family. It works well and isnt part of Facebook's tentacles. Fb is the animal i dont like but people seem to find it necessary. The nomad and expat groups are full of a lot of talkers. Staying away from those huge groups helps one enjoy life more, but hurts business if you check out too long.
maxsuur
2017-05-31 07:49
@jase that may be the case in personal communications, but when it comes to selling your product, I've found email to be an invaluable channel. If it wasn't for email I'd sell no shyt.
maxsuur
2017-05-31 07:50
But I do prefer email over any other medium though
simon
2017-05-31 07:51
@agalt Most people use Facebook though so as far as I'm concerned it's a must. Especially for family. At least, the Messenger app is (I don't use the main app much).
jase
2017-05-31 07:59
I think it also depends on where you're from
jase
2017-05-31 07:59
Europe: WhatsApp is huge... Australia, no one uses it
agalt
2017-05-31 08:03
Interesting. The last immediate family member i speak with quit it a few months ago because of the advertising and lack of useful communication tools. Email is best at the end of the day. http://Talky.io was recommended to me by someone on here. It is not an app, but allows Skype like communication in your browser window without another user account or some sign up you need to remember
maxsuur
2017-05-31 08:03
in LatAm, whatsapp is also huge
maxsuur
2017-05-31 08:15
btw, the transfer I made from Revolut to Transferwise Borderless has taken 2 days
maxsuur
2017-05-31 08:15
No commissions
jase
2017-05-31 08:31
I see more and more banks/government departments advertising their WhatsApp details now
jase
2017-05-31 08:31
I suspect they'll dominate in time... outside of China
simon
2017-05-31 08:46
In Asia it's a mix of WeChat, Line and Facebook. In the case of WeChat and Line, you can even use the app to pay in store and transfer money to friends (like PayPal).
simon
2017-05-31 08:51
For those curious about how this works, here's a screenshot from my WeChat account. When you want to pay, you simply show your screen to the cashier who then scans it like they would any normal item. The payment is taken directly from your debit card. The whole thing is free and instant. Using such codes allow it to work on every phone, not just those with NFC.
simon
2017-05-31 08:51
@simon uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/simon/F5M4FNTC6/2017-05-31_16.49.24.jpg
simon
2017-05-31 08:51
I have obviously greyed out my payment Q code and part of the code bar
jase
2017-05-31 09:22
Asia payment systems are crazy! Octopus card is fine but you can't pay with Visa sorry :joy:
simon
2017-05-31 09:30
@jase You can link your Octopus card to your HK-issued credit card :wink: Best of both worlds
jase
2017-05-31 09:31
Oooooh, I did not know this.
jase
2017-05-31 09:33
I came home from Taiwan with this very manly souvenir
jase
2017-05-31 09:33
An "EasyCard"
simon
2017-05-31 09:56
Would be nice if all cities moved away from their proprietary cards and simply used contactless Visa, MC, Amex, Unionpay like they do in London.
maxsuur
2017-05-31 10:10
I'd love it even more if everyone used Bitcoin
pragmatic
2017-05-31 10:11
No one wants to use bitcoin i they think it's gonna keep flying higher :wink:
simon
2017-05-31 10:25
@pragmatic There is a trust issue with Bitcoin (people outside of the BTC community do not trust it). There is also a liquidity issue (the fiat currency market is trillion of dollars liquid). Mainly, it simply isn't as convenient. I'd rather use my credit card instead, which nearly everyone accepts and which has no fees and pays me 2.5 miles per USD spent.
pragmatic
2017-05-31 10:38
There is an Ether based coin launching in the summer which lets you use Bitcoin, converts it to fiat automatically, and pay via NFC
pragmatic
2017-05-31 10:38
but I wouldn't use it, because I'd rather hold my bitcoin
tkrunning
2017-05-31 11:04
maxsuur: Was that to the EUR, USD or GBP account? And did you enter the ?TW? bit before your name or did you leave it out?
maxsuur
2017-05-31 11:15
EUR to EUR, without the TW (did it on purpose) @tkrunning
tkrunning
2017-05-31 11:16
:+1:
2017-05-31 12:58
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simon
2017-05-31 13:01
@brian Citibank PremierMiles
maxsuur
2017-05-31 13:10
brian: bitwala for example
maxsuur
2017-05-31 14:24
did anyone of you have a problem adding your Leupay Bank account as beneficiary on the Revolut app. I am trying to make a transfer from Leu to Rev.
maxsuur
2017-05-31 14:25
?
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jase
2017-05-31 16:04
Is that a US card @brian?
maxsuur
2017-05-31 18:33
Does anyone know anything about that little tax haven situated between Italy and Switzerland, named Campione? I remember it was featured quite heavily on multiple stories throughout Grandpa's Bye bye Big Brother book
jase
2017-06-01 05:59
@brian I assume to get one of those cards a visit to a US bank in person a deposit is required?
jase
2017-06-01 06:28
No kidding - are you a US citizen/resident @brian ?
jase
2017-06-01 06:36
Ah ok. I applied for one from Canada a few years ago and was denied online - no credit score.
jase
2017-06-01 06:38
Yeah, I've considered it. Clearly US is the land of the airmiles. I don't want to visit though. I believe in the past that's been a requirement.
jase
2017-06-01 06:38
:smile:
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agalt
2017-06-01 10:25
Even the 13 hour layover in NYC was nauseating on the way back to Zagreb from Costa Rica. San Jose had great weather, and thats the nicest remark i can say about the city
maxsuur
2017-06-01 17:50
Just installed Transferwise App on my iphone, so far I haven't been able to see my borderless bank account in it, nor my funds directly from the app. Merely on desktop. Any clues?
simon
2017-06-02 06:10
@maxsuur Same here. The app doesn't yet support Borderless. You need to use the browser on your phone to access your account.
johncitizen
2017-06-02 22:54
I have two companies with the same name, TransferWise can't support this with borderless, they just suggested setting up multiple emails/accounts
pragmatic
2017-06-03 14:58
@johncitizen I don't like how TransferWise business accounts are linked to a personal account. So that way, you'd need two personal accounts...
alexanderhay
2017-06-03 16:06
jase
2017-06-03 16:06
Good book this
jase
2017-06-03 16:07
I read "The End of Jobs" by Taylor Pearson after it - I have to say I found Taylor's to be a good summary of a lot of things I've read in the last ~3 years around where employment is heading/internationalisation
maxsuur
2017-06-03 21:06
Today at a polyglot conference in Bratislava I found this guy who's friends with Taylor Pearson, @jase
maxsuur
2017-06-03 21:06
Crazy little world
maxsuur
2017-06-03 21:07
We talked about the same topic "the end of Jobs"
jase
2017-06-03 21:42
I bet he is in the Dynamite Circle @maxsuur
maxsuur
2017-06-03 21:59
Idahosa Ness is his name
maxsuur
2017-06-03 22:00
I guess that's why "he's the bomb"
jase
2017-06-04 13:40
Oh yeah I remember hearing about his mimic method thing once
maxsuur
2017-06-04 13:59
Exactly
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tkrunning
2017-06-09 10:45
jase: I?m really late to the conversation, but if you have a SSN it?s quite easy to build a decent credit score in a very short time. I?m not a US citizen or even resident (I did study there briefly, which is why I have a SSN), and it took me about 1 year charging a monthly subscription of ~10 USD to a secured card and paying it off (automatically) every month to have a good enough score to qualify for decent cards. Now, 5 months after getting my first unsecured card I would easily qualify for some of the very best cards?probably including Chase Sapphire Reserve, which I might get later this year mostly due to unlimited priority pass for effectively $150 per year.
I still don?t get very high credit limits, the highest one is about $5K from Chase, but that?s not really a problem. I have automated payments from my checking account to all my credit cards weekly to keep utilization rate low (I use http://Debitize.com for this). My current FICO score is 759 (out of 850), and that?s after just 18 months from getting the secured card. From 720 and up is generally considered ?excellent?.
My only regret is not getting a US credit card sooner :smile:
jase
2017-06-09 10:51
Interesting, thanks @tkrunning - does an SSN mean you need to do a tax return or increase your liability at all?
tkrunning
2017-06-09 10:57
Nope. I only filed one non-resident return for the year I did university exchange there, nothing since that.
If you don?t have one already it?s tricky to get one without temporarily becoming tax resident or at least filing a NR tax return. I?m not sure, but a ITIN (which is easier to get) could work for credit scores as well. Maybe @simon or someone else knows?
Anyway, depending on the structure of some credit card rewards (especially opening bonuses) might be taxable. But AFAIK that?s only if they don?t have a spend requirement (if there is it?s just treated as a discount) and are above $400 or something like that.
pragmatic
2017-06-09 11:25
@tkrunning secured credit card huh. I got a $1500 credit limit approved a couple of years back with Discover without having any credit history
tkrunning
2017-06-09 12:02
Yeah, I?m sure you can skip the whole secured card in some cases, but that depends on a whole host of factors. Discover is pretty much useless outside of the US though. Mine was actually only semi-secured. I only needed to deposit $49 to get a $500 limit, which was fine just to start getting some history. The important thing is just to get started so you can get all the yummy cards as soon as possible.
This is the card I started with: https://www.capitalone.com/credit-cards/secured-mastercard/
What?s good about it is no fees (you should always keep your oldest cards for as long as possible to increase average age of your credit lines) and it reports to all three credit rating agencies, which is somewhat uncommon for secured cards.
jase
2017-06-09 13:22
All good info. I really need to sort out my cards this year.
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simon
2017-06-11 10:44
Discover is great in Asia. They have an agreement with JCB and Unionpay so they are accepted almost everywhere in Japan and China (while Visa, MC and Amex are accepted only in hotels and a few high end restaurants).
simon
2017-06-11 10:44
Yes you can use an ITIN to apply for credit cards, works just like an SSN.
simon
2017-06-11 10:49
Yes, you get one when you need to file a US tax return but are not eligible to apply for a SSN. You can get one even if you have never been to the US.
simon
2017-06-11 10:49
But you need a valid reason
pragmatic
2017-06-11 10:51
I tried using discovee a couple of times online where they had a JCB/Diners logo but never worked
simon
2017-06-11 11:23
Speaking of Discover online, I wonder why so few shops accept them. Even in the US few websites accept them.
maxsuur
2017-06-11 11:36
What kind of reason @simon ?
simon
2017-06-11 11:47
Having a tax liability in the US, applying for a tax refund in the US etc
skat
2017-06-11 18:29
@brian I?m very happy with my JBL Flip 3 as well. And i?ve been trying different portable speakers for couple of years. JBL seem to nailed it pretty nicely with those speakers. :wink:
skat
2017-06-11 18:32
Another fantastic peace of equipment that payed for itself already multiple times - HooToo Tripmate Titan HT TM05 .Power bank, router and NAS in one. I always hated hotels that limit number of devices that can access wifi, with this little peace of engineering I don?t ever bother with that.
skat
2017-06-11 18:59
@brian Yeah, i have problems with bigger and heavier stuff ? my backpack is already mostly my gadgets ;-D
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johncitizen
2017-06-12 03:13
Trying to downgrade my camera to a Sony A7S with Canon lenses. I own too much camera stuff
roman
2017-06-13 01:23
Easiest way to get ITIN? I read somewhere that one can start selling an ebook on amazon and that'll make one to anticipate taxation and thereby eligible for ITIN application. Any other easy ways?
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tkrunning
2017-06-13 11:49
Not sure about ITIN, but EIN is super easy for non-US persons, just a phone call. I think for ITIN you have to file a tax return or something along those lines.
brutus
2017-06-13 12:18
Is it possible to get a US Credit Card with an ITIN or EIN (when you don't have a SSN)?
roman
2017-06-13 16:53
I've heard you can use ITIN to get credit cards
brutus
2017-06-13 18:09
Quick Google search, seems to be a lot of interesting information on how to get US credit card with an ITIN:
https://www.google.by/search?q=us+credit+card+apply+itin&oq=us+credit+card+apply+itin&ie=UTF-8
johncitizen
2017-06-14 07:54
Metabones mkiv adaptor. Works better than Sony lenses.
simon
2017-06-15 05:20
You can get a US credit card with an EIN (a business credit card) but you will need to secure it. Some banks advertise those cards directly while with others you have to ask (you may need to ask many times before they agree).
simon
2017-06-15 05:21
This is the easiest one as far as I know: https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/business-credit/credit-cards/secured-card/
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otkeedca
2017-06-16 04:12
Canadians can get a US credit card through td canada trust and http://tdbank.com. They use your Canadian credit score, but you need an ITIN and US address. I'm working on this now.
otkeedca
2017-06-16 04:15
You can apply for an ITIN, using the reason that you are receiving Royalties from a US company like Amazon. Details here: http://leegabel.com/blog/publishing-amazons-kindle-income-tax-considerations/
maxsuur
2017-06-16 16:03
Amazon does it again
maxsuur
2017-06-16 16:03
@maxsuur uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/maxsuur/F5V2D3W1J/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg
jase
2017-06-16 16:03
This is actually pretty massive news
jase
2017-06-16 16:04
Up-market Walmart :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2017-06-16 16:04
With waaaay better systems
maxsuur
2017-06-16 16:20
Absolutely
maxsuur
2017-06-16 16:20
"Prime" individuals
maxsuur
2017-06-16 16:21
I'd definitely buy, hate going shopping (in general)
jase
2017-06-16 16:21
no shipping to andorra unfortunately
maxsuur
2017-06-16 16:36
Spain is nearby :p
maxsuur
2017-06-16 16:36
Or what it used to be Spain (in a few years' time): neighbouring Catalonia
jase
2017-06-16 16:43
hahha I'll believe that when it happens
maxsuur
2017-06-16 18:59
hhaha, keep an eye on it :stuck_out_tongue:
danz
2017-06-17 00:20
Great deal for Amazon. Rumours are that they also might acquire Slack
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jase
2017-06-20 09:01
Hating this whole applying for a visa to get into Canada thing.
jase
2017-06-20 09:01
I know everyone that travels into the US is used to it, but it's a massive PITA
jase
2017-06-20 09:01
I assume more countries will do the same in time, ugh
pragmatic
2017-06-20 09:03
Just a quick online application right ?
pragmatic
2017-06-20 09:04
Like esta ?
jase
2017-06-20 09:04
Quick is 30 seconds to me, this is much longer. But my life is complicated (existing visas, etc)
jase
2017-06-20 09:05
I get it, it's outsourcing the job back to us
jase
2017-06-20 09:05
Seems crazy we have to pay for the privilege
jase
2017-06-20 09:33
This is just me complaining about authority :joy:
maxsuur
2017-06-20 09:38
You resemble a bit of entp-ness there @jase
jase
2017-06-20 09:43
What can I say I've been listening to a lot of rage against the machine lately
jase
2017-06-20 09:46
I pay more to fly around the US nowadays, I have a lot of good reasons to go on this trip but I still don't like the run around
agalt
2017-06-20 09:46
Has anyone been to Macedonia? I'm exploring it some over the next few days. Lake Ohrid looks very interesting. It is one of the deepest in europe and quite large regarding the surface area: 248 square kilometres (96 sq mi)
jase
2017-06-20 09:46
It pisses me off how easy travel is through Singapore. :joy:
agalt
2017-06-20 09:49
that is unfortunate
jase
2017-06-20 09:49
Depending on the amount it's almost worth it for the story
agalt
2017-06-20 09:49
Bulgaria has one of the largest gypsi ghetto
agalt
2017-06-20 09:50
*ghetto's in europe
agalt
2017-06-20 09:52
some gypsy children have their thumb cut off when they are younger so they can get into peoples pockets easier
agalt
2017-06-20 09:54
was it a big game to them though? in the smaller towns they let the gypsy do as they wish since they keep voting in the same people. It is similar to how votes are bought with hand outs in Amerika
jase
2017-06-20 09:55
That is a good story
agalt
2017-06-20 09:56
they are very helpful in many areas of the world.
agalt
2017-06-20 09:56
in georgia ive walked up to them intoxicated and asked for directions to my hotel. They help me with google maps and say, "welcome to Georgia!"
jase
2017-06-20 09:57
I got myself an Elephant Wallet, and it turns out it fits in my fob pocket of a few pairs of pants/shorts. So nowadays I put my wallet there in any pickpocket likely scenarios
agalt
2017-06-20 09:58
yeah, i got stopped and asked for papers. My gf told them to fk off and we kept on walking
agalt
2017-06-20 09:58
(in bulgaria) they prey on the people in the subway stations at night, and shake you down to get a bribe if possible
agalt
2017-06-20 10:00
one of my local friends here tells me about how the boarder control police ask if you have anything for them. He was comming through serbia and had nothing. finally he gives the guy a sandwhich to shut him up.
pragmatic
2017-06-20 10:02
In bulgaria police stopped me driving a car, breath tested me, then said my US and Australian licences weren't valid in europe. My girlfriend said fine, write the fine. They start writing it... see that no bribe is bering offered then just say forget about it.
agalt
2017-06-20 10:02
lol
agalt
2017-06-20 10:02
its 50 leva for most bribes if you are pulled over in bulgaria (if anyone needs this information)
pedrodemendez
2017-06-20 10:03
In 1992 we used bottles with Coca Cola to get trucks with goods pass border control without any trouble (into Romania)
jase
2017-06-20 10:04
@brian wouldn't the foreigner just throw the fine in the bin?
jase
2017-06-20 10:05
Hmm ok
agalt
2017-06-20 10:06
held your passport?
agalt
2017-06-20 10:06
aha
brutus
2017-06-20 10:42
@brian same in France can happen for road infraction. Road police has the right to hold you (and you vehicle) until you pay
brutus
2017-06-20 10:43
Happened to me in Italy more than 20 years ago and they let me go with a tiny fine as I had no cash on me (and no so many ATM around at that time)
jase
2017-06-20 10:56
I'd assume nowadays they have credit card processors in the car
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2017-06-20 21:22
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agalt
2017-06-21 21:41
English version: Georgia is one of the most safe countries. Notice our lack of social welfare programs...
roman
2017-06-22 01:47
According to Numbeo ... which isn't a reliable source of data. As it's user editable. It's like saying "according to Wikipedia".
roman
2017-06-22 01:51
If anyone is interested in Yugoslavian conflict and the aftermath check The Weight of Chains (1 and 2) documentaries. Good stuff. I have lots of ex-Yugoslav friends and they confirm much of what is said in these films.
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 06:55
my car was stolen in bulgaria :slightly_smiling_face:
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 06:55
but besides that, I lived there 6 months in sofia and never felt unsafe
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 07:45
yeah closing bank account - need to wait 6 months while keep paying the fee each month.
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 07:45
unheard of
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 07:45
and sign sign sign sign
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 07:45
fi bank
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 08:58
their rule
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 08:58
you ask for closing account. it says it will be closed after 6 months
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 08:58
bullshit
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 09:29
that's what I did
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 09:29
they keep charging you for the account, the normal fees, like 2 leva per month or whatever, as long as it stays open. obv want to cancel that
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 09:30
I'll be there next week and cancel the thing permanently
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 09:30
jus thad to wait 6 months, unheard of
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 09:30
bulgarian way
agalt
2017-06-22 10:07
Don't use their banks then. Romania is close by. Ing bank was happy to have my deposits. You should be able to have a Bulgarian company bank in Romania or Georgia. Georgia doesn't care where the money is from. I helped a lady from uae with a Comoros island passport open an account in Georgia. She was married to a Syrian guy. The EU will screw up Georgia if they don't put their feet down and say "NO!"
agalt
2017-06-22 10:17
That the EU falls apart? :smile:
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 10:30
You talk too much about Georgia. You come over as biased and thus not trustworthy
kl5340dc
2017-06-22 10:31
@brian I get what you're saying. It's just 6 months wait. 6 euro lost, and then account closed and done. Not that hard.
agalt
2017-06-22 11:07
I am biased @kl5340dc There is no hiding that I have an agenda. Countries and legal structures are tools. Citizenshp is a book of paper with certain guidelines and restrictions. If there were better options we would be discussing those. It all depends on what your needs are.
roman
2017-06-23 02:57
@simon I'm getting "too many redirects" error on this page while logged in: https://www.freedomsurfer.com/newzealand/
roman
2017-06-23 02:59
I think this happens when I logged in, but then throws me to login page, then throws me back to nz page and back to login ... etc
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maxsuur
2017-06-23 08:49
Hi guys
maxsuur
2017-06-23 08:52
Need to do the following: set up a virtual spanish local number to make and receive calls, so I can use it either on my iphone or desktop computer.
I have heard of Twilio + OpenVbx. But this guy on Fiverr told me there's no iphone app anymore for the matter. I also heard of Google Voice, it seems not to be present in Spain though.
Any alternatives you may know of?
Thanks!
kl5340dc
2017-06-23 09:16
check skype, not sure if it covers spain
kl5340dc
2017-06-23 09:16
but I have hk number for like 5 bucks a month or wo
maxsuur
2017-06-23 09:17
They don't cover Spain though. I've checked them out already.
maxsuur
2017-06-23 09:17
nor Google Voice
kl5340dc
2017-06-23 09:28
ah
brutus
2017-06-23 09:39
@maxsuur I just checked and https://didlogic.com has a lot of Spanish numbers. I use them for other destinations and it works fine for me in general
maxsuur
2017-06-23 09:40
@brutus I am going to check them out. is it necessary a developer for that?
brutus
2017-06-23 09:42
@maxsuur: No, I am not a developer myself. I only register for a DID number and then use a VoIP or SIP application to call/receive calls. I am on android and Windows but you should have also free/open source VoIP/SIP client software on iphone
brutus
2017-06-23 09:44
https://my.didww.com & http://twillio.com too have spanish numbers as I can see
maxsuur
2017-06-23 09:45
yes, i was checking Twilio as well. There is this possibility of OpenVBX + Twilio
brutus
2017-06-23 09:48
Don't know OpenVBX, I will check what it is. Thank you
maxsuur
2017-06-23 09:57
didlogic website does not allow me to register. it seems as if the form was broken.
brutus
2017-06-23 10:22
I opened my account few years ago. But the few times I needed support it was only via short emails... I just tried signing-up for a new account with an email @mailinator.com and no reaction from the form. Then changed email address for another domain and account was created. Must be something you typed the form does not like (but no info on what...)
brutus
2017-06-23 10:23
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brutus
2017-06-23 10:25
I can see that cost if 5.85 USD/1 time set-up + 5.85 USD/month
maxsuur
2017-06-23 10:46
How's been your experience with them?
maxsuur
2017-06-23 10:46
@brutus
brutus
2017-06-23 11:01
I bought like 15 numbers in total from UK, US, CH, RU... all numbers worked fine (receiving calls+few outgoing calls). But feels like a DIY, support very limited (email). Generic answer to common problems (sip connection issue for example) and short emails otherwise. They were the "serious" provider I could find like 8 years ago...
brutus
2017-06-23 11:03
@maxsuur I just checked twilio, only 2 USD/month. I just started using them 1 month ago but they seem to have lot of functionalities and cheaper than didlogic... so, if I was you i would test a Twilio number! :wink:
maxsuur
2017-06-23 11:05
Good. The thing is that Twilio needs also a server and a app. I have contacted a developer on fiverr, he could get the whole setup done (without the app) just for calls via your browser for 60 USD.
maxsuur
2017-06-23 11:05
As of now I am checking out "MyDIDWW" you also mentioned. Created an account and their support team is quite responsive.
maxsuur
2017-06-23 11:06
It includes a full-fledged desktop version and iphone app for the matter
maxsuur
2017-06-23 11:06
and they're reasonably priced as well.
brutus
2017-06-23 11:31
Ok! I use free portable applications in my PC & Android app in my phone. Never tried to set-it up via browser. Please let me know how good it works
maxsuur
2017-06-23 11:43
anyone here using a raspberry pi for anything?
maxsuur
2017-06-23 11:44
thinking about purchasing one and let my creative juices flow
maxsuur
2017-06-23 11:55
I know they're cheap .)
maxsuur
2017-06-23 11:56
Wondering what you guys have created using it.
brutus
2017-06-23 12:13
@maxsuur funny, searching for free hosted PBX I just found a post about setting up your own PBX on a raspberry pi: "How about setting up an old PC or a $35 Raspberry Pi computer as a PBX? Then it's under your control and no extra expense to unlock all the features. Lots of info at »http://nerdvittles.com/"
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28005596-Free-hosted-virtual-cloud-based-PBX-services
alexanderhay
2017-06-23 12:16
I used a rasberry pi 2 as an entertainment center for awhile. It worked pretty good actually.
agalt
2017-06-23 12:33
there is a raspberry pi module for gsm. I suppose you could use it with a sim card in a country that you have residence in to prove to the authorities you live there
agalt
2017-06-23 12:33
then forward all of your sms and calls
agalt
2017-06-23 12:48
gsm support in Debian as well which you can run on the Pi: https://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G
agalt
2017-06-23 13:01
rjmarsden
2017-06-23 15:54
@brutus @maxsuur Hi Guys, my friend Ben runs an online school which shows you how to set-up a very cheap online VoIP PBX using Twilio. His link is here if needed, we use it ourselves in a couple of businesses and it is great. The mobile app is awesome. http://learn.mod.technology
agalt
2017-06-23 17:06
Has anyone traveled in Albania? I'll fly out of there on the way back to Georgia. Looking for recommendations. @globalconsulteurope
maxsuur
2017-06-23 17:29
@rjmarsden I remember you mentioned it a while ago, thanks for the reminder. Looks very interesting.
roman
2017-06-23 21:34
@simon any idea on the New Zealand inner articles? Still can?t get them to load.
johncitizen
2017-06-23 23:40
I use them for environmental monitoring of my little data centre. It takes outputs from the access cards for the building too and logs them.
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maxsuur
2017-06-26 11:19
Anyone here has used OpenBazaar?
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maxsuur
2017-06-30 08:18
Hey guys,
Thinking of purchasing a VPS server in order to run my own VPN and host a couple of Twilio telephone numbers. I am planning to go for Amazon's Ligthsail 5$/month option. Do you guys think it'll be enough? Any experiences?
rjmarsden
2017-06-30 08:41
Hi @maxsuur, if you are based in the Americas then it is a great option. But for the EU and Asia I would recommend OVH. Lightsail was only available in the US last time I checked and the latency between the US and EU/Asia would be too great for reliable voice comms
rjmarsden
2017-06-30 08:41
+1 for digital ocean as well, I've heard good things but not used them personally
maxsuur
2017-06-30 09:10
thanks @rjmarsden I also found this bulgarian company with a very affordable plan of 2?/month and a bit more capabilities than its competitors. May give it a go. https://www.vps.ag/cloud
pedrodemendez
2017-06-30 09:53
With OVH DDoS protection is included I believe, with DO its not..
pedrodemendez
2017-06-30 09:53
I have used DO as well, I don't recommend the Frankfurt datacenter, but Amsterdam, Singapore I had no troubles
maxsuur
2017-06-30 10:56
which DO are you referring to @pedrodemendez ?
maxsuur
2017-06-30 10:58
Digital Ocean, I see. ;9
maxsuur
2017-06-30 10:58
:wink:
maxsuur
2017-06-30 11:07
so guys, with the following specs: VPS SSD 1
KVM OpenStack
1 vCore
2,4 GHz
2 GB RAM
SSD 10 GB
RAID 10 local
Do you think it's enough for a VPN and a VoIP phone? @rjmarsden this is offered by the provider you mentioned
maxsuur
2017-06-30 11:07
I'd like to have them both in the same server
agalt
2017-06-30 16:43
No passport stamps in Albania. In by bus. Out by air
agalt
2017-06-30 16:46
Is anyone else flying today?
rjmarsden
2017-07-01 05:05
@maxsuur it should be enough to start with, I guess it depends on how much you use them both but you can always scale it as needed very easily.
josh
2017-07-04 03:22
Interesting concept for education, but it seems like way too much handholding. Students will get the requisite selfies, but I'm skeptical about how much real life experience they'll get in each place... http://globaldegreeacademy.com
josh
2017-07-04 03:22
Probably much better than any western university these days though. :no_mouth:
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maxsuur
2017-07-06 19:23
A very random topic here. For a long time I have been interesting in joining these very rare torrent trackers. It seems that one of the most common ways to access to them is via torrent invites. Do you guys know anything in this respect? It'd like to know prices, sites, tutorials, and so on. Thanks!
maxsuur
2017-07-06 19:25
Having access to those trackers virtually guarantees you access to most of the information available on the internet nowadays. All types of materials on any topic, etc
maxsuur
2017-07-06 19:26
What you can usually get through normal torrent sites, but multiplied by 10
maxsuur
2017-07-06 19:26
Sort of
maxsuur
2017-07-06 19:29
Can you access those?
maxsuur
2017-07-06 19:33
I cannot access to it, I may connect through a VPN though
maxsuur
2017-07-06 19:37
If anyone has an invite, you are rather welcome to PM me :)
brutus
2017-07-06 19:59
@maxsuur I guess you already checked there?
There is even an article from http://Lifehacker.com about how to get access
https://www.google.by/search?q=how+to+access+private+torrent+tracker&oq=how+to+access+private+torrent+tracker&ie=UTF-8
maxsuur
2017-07-06 20:25
Thanks for linking it here @brian
pedrodemendez
2017-07-06 20:29
@pedrodemendez has left the channel
kl5340dc
2017-07-06 20:52
i'm on thevault and the place
kl5340dc
2017-07-06 20:53
thevault has all the marketing business courses/ebooks
kl5340dc
2017-07-06 20:53
basically group of guys who buy course together, you have to pay to buy gb download credits
kl5340dc
2017-07-06 20:53
to be a member you have to know someone inside. I got invited many years ago but do not have invites myself. No idea how to be member
kl5340dc
2017-07-06 20:54
but I learned all my biz skills from that site basically that had all the courses for free
maxsuur
2017-07-06 21:26
Awesome @kl5340dc if you knew of anyone who'd be willing to give me an invite even for a modest fee, let me know. Thanks.
kl5340dc
2017-07-07 09:02
I have no idea
kl5340dc
2017-07-07 09:02
they have user classes
kl5340dc
2017-07-07 09:02
the higher up the class, the more access you get, incl invites etc
kl5340dc
2017-07-07 09:03
you get higher up the class by sharing etc which I obviously don't do, I just leech
harvie
2017-07-07 10:59
I am thinking about creating a Facebook #channel within this community to discuss market start and stuff or maybe a Skype group? I'd consider myself an intermediate, wondering if there would be any interest for it?
pragmatic
2017-07-07 11:00
Channels are free. Just create it and see if there's interest.
maxsuur
2017-07-07 12:21
Market start @harvie ?
simon
2017-07-07 13:01
@roman I?m working to fix this loop problem, the pages should be up soon. In the meantime, you can send me any questions you have
harvie
2017-07-07 13:10
@maxsuur was meant to be strat* for strategies.
tkrunning
2017-07-07 13:30
@maxsuur I used to be quite active on a few private trackers back in the day. I even built one with a classmate as a school project in high school. :P
tkrunning
2017-07-07 13:30
Most of the good ones have been shut down by now, sadly
tkrunning
2017-07-07 13:31
The latest really good one to bite the dust was http://What.cd last year, it had probably the largest music collection anywhere, plus lots of audio and e-books, courses, etc. But sadly it got shut down recently :(
tkrunning
2017-07-07 13:32
I'll check if I still have any invites for some decent trackers though
maxsuur
2017-07-07 13:33
Sad to hear that some of the best trackers are gone, but happy to hear that you may have invites for one of your fellow freedom surfer members :wink: Thanks
roman
2017-07-07 13:50
simon: Thanks!!
tkrunning
2017-07-07 13:55
I have 2 invites to SCC (SceneAccess), so you can have one of those @maxsuur :slightly_smiling_face: If anyone else is interested in the last invite, let me know.
About SCC: It?s a ?general? 0day tracker, meaning you?ll find all sorts of stuff there, including Udemy courses, and so on. It?s one of the easier trackers to maintain a good ?ratio? on. Generally (like on all private trackers) you should always seed (upload) more than you leech (download), but they have a system in place where you get credits for just keeping torrents seeded, even if nobody?s actually downloading them?which makes it easier. You can also get upload credits by donating to the site. I?d recommend at least donating 10 EUR, which will give you 45 GB upload credit, and more importantly ?free leech? on the Archive and MP3/0DAY sections of the site (meaning anything you download there doesn?t count on your ratio). You donate using BTC.
Last but not least, please don?t go against the rules of the site, including download stuff without at least keeping it seeded for a week afterwards. It will get you banned and it will also reflect badly on me since I invited you.
roman
2017-07-07 13:56
@maxsuur https://thevault.click/ ? good tracker for business info, courses, products, etc? Don?t have an invite there. In 7 years being a member never received a single one. Which makes me think they probably don?t give out any. Best to go through the regular application process and I can give you my username on that tracker and you can say that I vouched for you, I think that?d help. But you must maintain ratio there or you will be banned. It?s a very good resource.
maxsuur
2017-07-07 14:16
Thank you guys for the overhelming response @brian @tkrunning @roman
tkrunning
2017-07-07 14:19
@brian just claimed my last invite. But I see I can get more invites by donating some spare change. So if anyone else want an invite to SCC just let me know :slightly_smiling_face:
jemmasta
2017-07-07 14:33
@tkrunning If you'll get some invites I'd like one. :)
maxsuur
2017-07-07 14:34
maybe we should create a channel #torrentinvites
jemmasta
2017-07-07 14:34
Haha
tkrunning
2017-07-07 15:19
Check PM @jemmasta :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2017-07-07 15:30
**someone I know** was on Oink, then Waffles for years. In both cases had crazy good ratios, but those accounts are long gone unfortunately.
jase
2017-07-07 15:31
Same person I know uses usenet for most things nowadays, though the unique music is hard to find
jase
2017-07-07 15:31
Ebooks would be handy
tkrunning
2017-07-07 15:41
Yeah, ?someone I know? was on Oink aka the pink palace and Waffles as well, before http://What.cd :smile: I still haven?t been able to find a decent tracker to replace it, especially for music :disappointed: If you find anything @jase let me know!
jase
2017-07-07 15:41
I heard rumors, but said person doesn't have proof of their old account, so may be out of luck there
harvie
2017-07-07 15:53
Created a channel for anyone who uses Facebook ads for their business you'll need to search for "facebookads" in the Channels tab. You may be able to join by clicking here too > https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/messages/C65EYV9L2/
tkrunning
2017-07-07 15:55
@jase What kind of rumors? And what kind of proof is required? Like a screenshot or account related emails, etc?
jase
2017-07-07 15:57
OH!
jase
2017-07-07 15:57
Turns out it's back online
jase
2017-07-07 15:58
RIP internet quota
tkrunning
2017-07-07 15:59
Oh nice
tkrunning
2017-07-07 15:59
Looks like my account is disabled tho, were you able to log in?
jase
2017-07-07 16:01
My friend was
jase
2017-07-07 16:01
:smile:
tkrunning
2017-07-07 16:01
:stuck_out_tongue:
tkrunning
2017-07-07 16:08
Yeah just says this when trying to reset the password:
?Contact staff to recover your account
We?re having trouble recovering your account.
Please contact staff at #waffles.fm-help on http://irc.p2p-network.net?
tkrunning
2017-07-07 16:08
I?ve done that now, waiting for a reply
jase
2017-07-07 16:08
According to reddit the site was redeveloped
jase
2017-07-07 16:08
Dunno if they lost part of a database or something
tkrunning
2017-07-07 16:09
But I think perhaps there?s a reason why it was disabled and I?ve tried enabling it again in the past w/o luck.
tkrunning
2017-07-07 16:09
I don?t remember, it has been so long since I?ve had any delicious waffles
jase
2017-07-07 16:09
hahah
maxsuur
2017-07-07 17:05
I also want to befriend those said friends of yours @tkrunning @jase
maxsuur
2017-07-07 17:05
Haha
brutus
2017-07-07 21:52
@maxsuur @brian with VPN I could connect to http://Zamunda.net & http://Zamunda.ch. Registration straight forward, no invite needed apparently. Can't see any books/trainings but movies/serials/games/comics...
maxsuur
2017-07-07 22:06
Good site, I created an account thanks to @brian and speeds are fantastic
skat
2017-07-08 13:28
@jase soulseek is a great source for unique music still for years and years
jase
2017-07-08 13:34
Nice. I'm setting up Headphones again now. Been a while.
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globalconsulteurope
2017-07-18 18:53
Watched Weight of Chains, switching to part 2
globalconsulteurope
2017-07-18 18:54
Other good documentaries you've watched recently?
roman
2017-07-18 20:12
This one is amazing too if you are into this kind of genre:
http://www.history.com/shows/americas-war-on-drugs
roman
2017-07-18 20:14
Note that from the first link, This is Not a Coup available on Vimeo for a small fee
https://vimeo.com/171231742
But you need to turn on subs because it's in Greek in some parts.
The other ones you can find free on YouTube.
agalt
2017-07-19 05:51
Let's see how fast the mobile internet is where people are today?
agalt
2017-07-19 05:51
Post your results?
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roman
2017-07-20 22:07
If Georgia is so great, why people are running away inside a shipping container? :joy:
https://www.google.ca/amp/montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/four-stowaways-found-in-container-in-port-of-montreal/amp
maxsuur
2017-07-20 22:12
The cheapest way out
roman
2017-07-20 22:15
They almost died
agalt
2017-07-21 08:46
it depends why you are leaving
agalt
2017-07-21 08:47
some georgians are very strange, and they think the grass is greener on the other side. its the, "i want to go to canada and get social welfare" mentality
agalt
2017-07-21 08:49
if you want to work hard here you can do very well. I'm not going to spend time worrying about people who think that it is not a nice place. You either come and check it out, or stay where you are and complain about that place. Options exist. Said options are discussed and some people don't listen. They miss out on oppertunity.
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maxsuur
2017-07-24 17:12
Anyone here has any experience with nootropics (a.k.a smart drugs)? Just reading a book on it
otkeedca
2017-07-25 01:57
I've tried modafinil in India, but I didn't notice any effects
danz
2017-07-25 04:49
Tried one time to see if I felt any difference, but I felt nothing. But there are thousands of Nootropic products now, so hard to say if it was good product or not. It?s like the whole supplement branche in general, most is shit unfortunately.
maxsuur
2017-07-25 06:05
@otkeedca @danz seemingly the guy who wrote the book has a company selling this type of products. However, he has being studying himself all of those possible type of drugs to boos cognitive performance for about 20 years. He found that he could replace modafinil if he would only make major changes in his diet, environment, exercise and so on
maxsuur
2017-07-25 06:05
An interesting read for sure
agalt
2017-07-25 06:28
@maxsuur Ive taken one and sure it worked. I don't know what was in it. It sped everything up and opened your eyes more. It was nice, but i walked away from it with the realization that maybe there was something wrong with my diet where i could get the same boost.
agalt
2017-07-25 06:31
I like putting ground up chaga mushrooms (siberian mushrooms- not the funny stuff that makes you see things) and cinimon in my coffee when I make it in a french press. It lights your brain on fire or a couple of hours. Combine that with some coconut oil to increase memory and elasticity of the brain and i get similar effects.
maxsuur
2017-07-25 08:34
Thanks for the tip @agalt
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:49
That one is a hit currently here as well, everyone is drinking a tea made with chage
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:49
*chaga
maxsuur
2017-07-25 09:49
Di you try it @jemmasta ?
maxsuur
2017-07-25 09:50
Did
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:51
yup
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:52
tastes like crap, not sure about lighting up though
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:52
didn't notice big diff :slightly_smiling_face:
agalt
2017-07-25 09:52
i mix the ground up chaga with coffee + cinimon and some nutmeg
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:52
but it's supposed to be good for you
agalt
2017-07-25 09:52
glass french press with stainless steel internals
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:53
it grows here, so easy access
agalt
2017-07-25 09:53
where is here? @jemmasta If it is close to Tbilisi, Georgia I will buy some from you/ an exporter if you can send me a PM
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:54
Finland
agalt
2017-07-25 09:55
aha
jemmasta
2017-07-25 09:55
so about 2,5k kilometers apparently :smile:
maxsuur
2017-07-25 11:03
@maxsuur uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/maxsuur/F6D8B6M5G/img_3737.jpg
maxsuur
2017-07-25 11:05
Those guys were taking pics of the car. Do you know what they have in common? None of them is the owner of the :car:
agalt
2017-07-25 11:22
when i was in Serbia, i saw an old opel station wagon pulling one of those and started to wonder if a person bought it as a status symbol and they were towing it with their daily, or the person who bought it was frugal and paid a friend to transport it
roman
2017-07-25 12:25
@maxsuur I've tried piracetam, modafinil and noopept.
skat
2017-07-25 12:34
@maxsuur used piracetam, fenotropil and modafinil. piracetam doesn?t work on me anymore, didn?t liked fenotropil effects. but I still use from time to time modafinil.
skat
2017-07-25 12:42
@maxsuur In general, i would recommend considering more ?natural? ways to get you brain boost. I?m a fan of yerba mate tea, but it?s a bit of pain in the ass to travel with ? brewing process means a lot and you also need a special gear to drink it (bombila, kalabaha and a good kettle - you can?t boil it or effect will differ )
agalt
2017-07-25 13:20
@skat Yerba is good stuff :slightly_smiling_face:
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maxsuur
2017-07-26 08:11
On trends:
maxsuur
2017-07-26 08:22
Thanks for the tips @roman and @skat I've also tried mate in the past. There used to be an Argentinian football player famously known for sipping mate at various breaks during the match. For the "cognitive" performance, I guess :p
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tkrunning
2017-07-29 10:32
@maxsuur I've used modafinil and armodafinil on and off for a few years. Definitely helpful for certain types of work (typically where I don't need to be too creative), but not sure if it should be classified as a nootropic.
I also occasionally use phenibut (which I've seen some people classify as a nootropic?but also not sure if it should be). I don't really use it for working, but I find it helpful in social situations and to induce really good sleep.
fish
2017-07-29 13:16
I tried Piracetam and another one that I cannot recall the name of. The only one that keeps on working for me is Ritalin
stoplight
2017-07-29 14:57
For those in or from Canada?need some minor help?what?s the easiest and cheapest way to get a valid ID for a guy on tourist visa?
roman
2017-07-30 00:40
@stoplight hm, LCBO in Ontario used to provide IDs for people of drinking age who don't have a driver license. But I don't know if it has an address and if you even need one.
roman
2017-07-30 00:41
I know that driver license in ON has an address and it's mailed. Mailing also takes a few days to get to you, so it's not instance.
roman
2017-07-30 00:42
Here's a list of valid docs for Ontario. Seems pretty tight and unattainable.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/acceptable-identity-documents
stoplight
2017-07-30 00:47
Well?that sucks..hahah..and the most difficult part is i?m in Vancouver?hahaha.. :smile: ..thanks anyways..
roman
2017-07-30 00:49
Well every province has different rules, so check with BC.
stoplight
2017-07-30 00:49
Yup did already.. :disappointed:
roman
2017-07-30 00:49
In ON seems you can swap licenses apparently.
https://drivetest.ca/licences/licence-exchanges/licence_exchange.html
roman
2017-07-30 00:49
Do they have the same thing in BC?
roman
2017-07-30 00:50
Check AB to see if they might have different rules. And if it's possible take a quick flight there.
stoplight
2017-07-30 00:51
yup?lots of requirements to get license
http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/visit-dl-office/Pages/Accepted-ID.aspx
roman
2017-07-30 00:52
Ya I see they want to see Canadian ties and status...
stoplight
2017-07-30 00:53
yup?that?s the problem?.my mistake?I should have gotten it years ago when they were less stringent? :disappointed:
roman
2017-07-30 00:54
AB seems easier
roman
2017-07-30 00:54
But still wait of 10 business days :/
roman
2017-07-30 00:55
For bill with address proof I got a library card before which they mailed and I had full name and address on the letter.
stoplight
2017-07-30 00:59
library cards are generic nowadays..with just the number and no address.. :disappointed: ..they?ve made it really difficult?
stoplight
2017-07-30 01:01
will probably end up enrolling in a online school or maybe a gym to get a valid ID..haha..
roman
2017-07-30 01:01
The letter had address. It's not valid as ID but as proof of address.
roman
2017-07-30 01:02
The card was glued to a letter which had name and address in one of those envelopes with a window.
roman
2017-07-30 01:02
I used it successfully as proof of address on two occasions :)
stoplight
2017-07-30 01:04
Yep..but getting a library card is as difficult as getting a license?nowadays..
https://www.vpl.ca/borrowing/identification-to-apply-for-a-vpl-library-card
roman
2017-07-30 01:07
Dang. I got it QC two years ago and it was pretty easy.
stoplight
2017-07-30 01:13
back in 2011?I was already on my way get a Learners Driver?s License?was too lazy to continue doing it?regrets regrets.. :smile:
maxsuur
2017-07-30 22:27
@tkrunning where do you get this substances from here in Europe?
tkrunning
2017-07-30 22:28
Modafinil I've usually purchased I'm bulk while in India
tkrunning
2017-07-30 22:28
Phenibut can be ordered online as a supplement
tkrunning
2017-07-30 22:30
I've also used http://modafinilcat.com in the past (but not for shipping to Europe), but they have shut down now
tkrunning
2017-07-30 22:32
Duckdose and AfinilExpress seem to be recommend these days
tkrunning
2017-07-30 22:32
@maxsuur
roman
2017-07-31 02:53
Go to reddit nootropics and check wiki for good vendors. Or /r/afinil too. There are other subreddits I think I'm missing too maybe others can chime in.
harvie
2017-07-31 09:03
Tim Ferris in the 4-hour Body said he left out super drugs like Moda on purpose because he felt people would abuse them. I've been told they are great for getting work done but I'm worried about any long-term effects (5-10 years from now if taken regularly).
maxsuur
2017-07-31 09:04
I imagine @harvie what I am seeing is that everyone props modafinil as the king of smart drugs.
maxsuur
2017-07-31 09:05
Any thoughts on this site? they seem to be sending it from Spain: http://nootropics.eu
harvie
2017-07-31 09:06
my friend took it daily for about 90 days, said there was no comedown when he stopped. But I'm wondering what will happen in 2-3 years (if anything). I also only work a few hours per day so I don't need it just yet :smile:
maxsuur
2017-07-31 09:07
@harvie for me it is just I've got a really hard time when it comes to getting a particular thing done. I am on the exploratory mode one, which means leaving open all possibilities till I make a decision. So, perhaps punctual usage of this drug could help me...
harvie
2017-07-31 09:11
I read someone to make a list of things you want to do that day before you take it, because your mind can wander off on another topic and focus on that for most of the day. Let me know how you get on with it.
harvie
2017-07-31 09:12
I'm keen to try it to get 3 days of work done in a single day
maxsuur
2017-07-31 09:12
that simple hack would definitely help a lot :)9
maxsuur
2017-07-31 09:12
that's quite a feat
harvie
2017-07-31 09:13
^not when your work day is 3hrs lol
maxsuur
2017-07-31 09:16
well, if you are used to only working 3h per day, I believe getting to work a regular 8-9hour day would be definitely challenging :wink:
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tkrunning
2017-08-02 10:26
Never tried it, so can?t comment?
maxsuur
2017-08-03 15:16
Long time no see @simon is everything ok?
stoplight
2017-08-03 19:29
same question @simon ..we miss you! :smile:
agalt
2017-08-03 22:54
UH OH :disappointed: hope everyone is ok: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-03/dubais-torch-tower-worlds-fifth-tallest-residential-building-engulfed-flames
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millnmd
2017-08-07 05:53
@maxsuur I used piracetam, Alcar, l-tyrosine, Choline bitrate, Oxiracetam and aniracetam. I never used modafinil but Oxiracetam gave me similar effects. L-Tryosine works wonders for staying up (military used them for avoiding sleep deprivation). I haven't used them lately, but I was thinking of getting PRL-8-53 for Language learning apparently improved word retention by 200% in studies.
maxsuur
2017-08-07 05:58
Interesting. Which language do you want to learn? @millnmd
millnmd
2017-08-07 05:59
French
maxsuur
2017-08-07 06:00
Get these 2 products: Assimil French with ease and Michel Thomas French
maxsuur
2017-08-07 06:00
That'd be a solid start
maxsuur
2017-08-07 06:01
To memorize words more efficiently: mnemonics. Anthony Metivier is an expert on that subject
maxsuur
2017-08-07 06:02
My 1+1 cents :)
millnmd
2017-08-07 06:06
ok thanks I'll definitely check those out, I've been using Duolingo and Lingvist. Lingvist is pretty good for memorizing.
brutus
2017-08-07 07:43
@millnmd Oh mon dieu! :wink:
Personally when learning new language, I used to try to get exposed to it regularly and by small doses, like:
- reading online newspaper headers: more or less you already know what's happening in the world so easy to understand
- listening in background that language/country online radio: most music is international artists which you already know + you discover local/new artist + your ear get used to different sound/pronunciation/word (especially with short commercial breaks, usually simple wording repeating over and over without you paying any attention)
- for roman/latin language, I started learning fast pronouns (I, you, he/she/it....), then common/basic verbs + adjectives so you quickly understand what a sentence is about, like the structure of a house! The rest after is like building up the rest of the missing pieces: you already know there will be windows, doors, roof, etc...
brutus
2017-08-07 07:47
One tip: French tend to make long, complicated sentences... as opposed to English (as you can see above). :wink:
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agalt
2017-08-12 20:03
interesting phone: https://youtu.be/2Vw-liftLZs ive broken 3 phones in the last year unfortunately. just bought a blackview bv8000 pro this looks really cool though
agalt
2017-08-12 22:59
(i have no financial interest in this company)
danz
2017-08-12 23:58
Looks solid, I use an Ulefone phone as second phone and it works great.
agalt
2017-08-13 12:12
Backup phone. Beeline Georgian number. The main marketing pitch of the company is great roaming coverage. They don't pretend to have good service in Georgia for data and no one seems to care.
roman
2017-08-13 19:41
@roman uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/roman/F6N2BUCBE/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg
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harvie
2017-08-15 21:52
Good travel bags anyone around 30l?
Thinking about getting this :https://www.fjallraven.co.uk/raven-28l
roman
2017-08-16 01:11
That's conversation for nomadlist #_gear channel :smiley:
harvie
2017-08-16 13:11
thanks @roman. I did end up on that site but all the recs I liked were for bags that are only in the US :disappointed:. I was also trigger happy and bought the bag above now :$
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johncitizen
2017-08-20 03:27
@harvie I've got many backpacks
johncitizen
2017-08-20 03:28
currently using a Goruck GR1 without all the military stuff on it, and my real everyday bag is a Metorleous rope bag
johncitizen
2017-08-20 03:30
It's carryon size and can fit a weeks clothes in it, go on caving trips or fit two laptops and a ton a paperwork
johncitizen
2017-08-20 03:30
At work it carries a tool roll, documents, laptop, etc. usually hauling 15kg a day
johncitizen
2017-08-20 03:30
I've had 2 years on it
harvie
2017-08-20 08:40
Thanks Jon I'll take a look at that
johncitizen
2017-08-20 09:05
Depends on what you want. I wanted a PVC bucket mounted on my back that could just consume stuff and still be cool on Helicopters and Light aircraft
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maxsuur
2017-08-21 22:21
does someone have Nitroflare's premium account?
tkrunning
2017-08-22 06:13
Quite #random: I recently learned that the Estonian E-residency team is ?considering? launching an ICO of sorts for Estonia, the country. TBH I don?t think even they take it seriously, and it?s most likely just a marketing stunt. Obviously this is something that would involve a long political process in Estonia to actually do, which has not yet started. But expect to hear something in the media this week, possibly today? :slightly_smiling_face:
tkrunning
2017-08-22 06:21
Nice! Maybe I?ll put some money from my Estonian OU into crypto then? I wonder how that will be treated by the Estonian tax authorities?
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maxsuur
2017-08-24 15:00
it'd be very interesting to know more about these countries: San Marino and Campione D'Italia. Anyone banking there?
maxsuur
2017-08-24 20:42
Does any of you guys know how to watch online McGregor VS Mayweather Fight on Saturday? Thinking of waking up at 5.30 am here in Austria
maxsuur
2017-08-24 20:44
I'd go for Mayweather
maxsuur
2017-08-24 20:44
But I'd like McGregor did
maxsuur
2017-08-24 20:44
If he does, this will go into boxing history books
maxsuur
2017-08-24 20:49
Mayweather vs. McGregor USD $99.95 ?
Stream live here in HD on Aug 26, 2017 at 9PM ET ??
Purchase is solely for viewing at http://showtimeppv.com on supported browsers.
danz
2017-08-25 00:52
You can watch it at stream websites like vipbox dot tv
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maxsuur
2017-08-25 18:54
Just bought it
maxsuur
2017-08-25 18:54
Don't wanna mizzzzz it
maxsuur
2017-08-25 18:54
Heehe
tatelev
2017-08-30 21:18
I need a reliable and cheap U.S virtual phone where I can mainly receive calls and sms w security questions from my bank, any recommendations?
tatelev
2017-08-30 21:20
I recently tried TextMe but by the time I had finalized configuring my bank account with the TextMe phone number, the TextMe app removed my phone number and assigned me another one, so I'd stay away from them. I'm looking for other providers.
tatelev
2017-08-30 21:21
(and I rather pay a little and not have constant spammy ads popping up)
maxsuur
2017-08-30 21:56
Check out Twillio @tatelev
tatelev
2017-08-30 21:57
many products on their website
tatelev
2017-08-30 21:57
which one do you mean?
tatelev
2017-08-30 21:59
ah, I think I found it: "Pay-as-you-go Phone Number"
tatelev
2017-08-30 22:00
1$ per month fixed then charge you per sms or call sent or received. This seems like exactly what I'm looking for:slightly_smiling_face:
tatelev
2017-08-30 22:02
but can't find a Twilio ios app. How/where would I receive the sms/calls then @max?
tatelev
2017-08-30 22:13
apparently Twilio is an API, they don't have an app. I would have to develop one myself!
tatelev
2017-08-30 22:14
other suggestions?
mikeseo
2017-08-31 02:21
google voice?
fish
2017-08-31 06:20
Google Voice!
maxsuur
2017-08-31 07:00
@rjmarsden once linked a website where with a tutorial so you cab get i done yourself
rjmarsden
2017-08-31 07:35
hi gents, here is the link again for both a free phone system and the instructions on how to use twilio also http://learn.mod.technology/p/3cxin30/?preview=logged_out
rjmarsden
2017-08-31 07:38
However if you are just looking for a forwarding capability then you can use their twimlets to do it for you, I am working with my friend Ben on producing a course for this but if you follow the instructions it isn't too hard and you then can avoid server/PBX costs altogether, you will just pay for the number: https://www.twilio.com/labs/twimlets
brutus
2017-08-31 08:02
@rjmarsden Thank you for the link :slightly_smiling_face:
brutus
2017-08-31 08:03
@fish @mikeseo I tried to get a Google Voice number few weeks ago but you need a real US SIM card to forward/sign up don't you?
fish
2017-08-31 08:45
You will require a US based VPN/Proxy and a "real" landline/mobile to validate your phone.
roman
2017-08-31 10:53
Worth noting that some places reject VoIP numbers for validation/2FA.
fish
2017-08-31 13:03
The only place that rejected me was Google Voice
brutus
2017-08-31 13:17
Any trick where to find such "real" landline/mobile like VoIP, Twilio, etc... ?
tatelev
2017-08-31 14:33
@brutus how do you receive your nexmo number calls and sms in your phone(iphone in my case)? is there an app for that?
brutus
2017-08-31 14:54
yes I receive calls in my phone because I set-up call forwarding to my main mobile number
brutus
2017-08-31 14:59
Not sure what you mean by an app? You mean to use via SIP/VoIP client?
https://developer.nexmo.com/voice/sip/overview
tatelev
2017-08-31 15:22
by app I meant an iphone app that I can open and check my sms messages, calls received, etc...
tatelev
2017-08-31 15:22
so there isn't one
tatelev
2017-08-31 15:24
I understand now that you need to set up forwarding of the virtual phone to your real phone number and for that you need to get into a console and set it up through some api calls, I was hoping for something ready made but I guess I can take a look at the API
tatelev
2017-08-31 15:26
@brutus if you have your nexmo virtual phone forwarded to your real phone number what happens when you are abroad using a different SIM. I am in Canada right now and with a prepaid SIM from a Canadian cell phone provider(Chattr)
tatelev
2017-08-31 15:26
would I need to set up forwarding each time I change SIM?
tatelev
2017-08-31 15:28
I would like something that works independently of the SIM I have in my phone, that's why I was looking for something that works through an iphone app and can still work when you change SIM(like whatsapp does)
fish
2017-08-31 15:31
@brutus I can't be of much help here. I called up a friend at the States who helped my with a landline.
fish
2017-08-31 15:32
You could probably do it through a prepaid 5usd simcard
brutus
2017-08-31 16:44
Thank for the info Fish!
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:05
the rep at http://VoIP.ms that @roman mentioned said that I could get a virtual number with them and then use an app like Zoiper to link it
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:05
Zoiper has a free version
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:06
and is multi-platform
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:06
looks interesting. Anybody has used Zoiper?
roman
2017-08-31 17:06
You can actually just get SMS by email
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:07
you mean with Zoiper?
brutus
2017-08-31 17:07
@tatelev
I never heard of such app for this kind of numbers/VoIP.
I have 2 phones: 1st phone with my main SIM card and 2nd phone with local pre-paid 3G SIM cards while traveling so I share the internet connection between my phones. I could also use a portable 3G modem instead (something like this: http://www.tp-link.com/sa/products/list-4692.html) but then I would not be able to make/receive calls on 2nd local SIM).
I have some secondary VoIP numbers also for which I can setup incoming call forward to several numbers (http://didlogic.com). For voice, there are also some online/cloud virtual PBX which you could use to set-up your call forwarding to different numbers (I never tried) or @rjmarsden link above could also be a good solution for you there (Ihaven't had the time to check it out yet)!
brutus
2017-08-31 17:08
for SMS part, if you use one of those platforms twilio, etc... I understand with an API you can forward SMS automatically even via email (some time ago Simon shared his API code for this)
brutus
2017-08-31 17:10
Or some members here have SIM cards in a secondary phone plugged "at home" with an app forwarding SMS automatically (check Google how to set-up in iphone or free Android App)
brutus
2017-08-31 17:11
I'm on android phone/windows PC, I know about Zoiper but use other client SIP software for that
roman
2017-08-31 17:17
@tatelev how much you pay for a service per month that would simply forward SMS to email?
roman
2017-08-31 17:18
I see this come up here several times. I am thinking maybe doing this micro saas product? I?ve always looked for something small like this to get my feet wet with saas.
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:21
not sure sms to email is my thing :slightly_smiling_face:
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:21
also I want to receive the calls
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:21
on my phone
tatelev
2017-08-31 17:23
this is http://Voip.ms tutorial on how to link a number with Zoiper in case somebody's interested: http://wiki.voip.ms/article/ZoIPer_for_iOS
brutus
2017-08-31 17:33
In my opinion/experience, problem with VoIP/SIP numbers & incoming calls is of course call quality depends of your internet network. It is not like being available 24h/24h like with normal SIM number. For SMS forwarding via email, less an issue because you need internet to connect your bank, etc... and receive 2FA SMS
tatelev
2017-08-31 18:13
yeah, I am not looking for audio quality
tatelev
2017-08-31 18:14
my accounting software integrates with my bank account and each time I connect I need a security code spoken by a machine to be given to me by phone so I punch it into the accounting software
tatelev
2017-08-31 18:15
that's for now my main use goal
roman
2017-08-31 18:17
I?ve been using them for many years. Yeah, pretty happy.
tatelev
2017-08-31 18:17
great. For my intented use seems like http://voip.ms + Zoiper might be more than enough
roman
2017-08-31 18:18
On Mac desktop I use a simple Telephone app
tatelev
2017-08-31 18:18
Zoiper has both desktop and ios app
roman
2017-08-31 18:18
Yep, I know. But I didn?t like it at the time, don?t remember why.
roman
2017-08-31 18:18
I think it?s was just too heavy and buggy or something.
tatelev
2017-08-31 18:19
maybe because it's Java LOL
roman
2017-08-31 18:19
I just needed super simple functionality and Telephone app does that.
roman
2017-08-31 18:19
I also integrated it with the Contact app that I can make calls from the computer with it over VoIP
roman
2017-08-31 18:19
Via Apple Script magic
clr
2017-08-31 20:38
Has anyone tried this? http://www.openvbx.org I haven't tried it personally but it seems a web interface for Twilio.
roman
2017-08-31 20:51
I?ve tried it a while ago. I think the project is semi-abandoned.
roman
2017-08-31 20:52
And at the time, I remember it was quite buggy. But it was at the very early stages. So maybe things have improved.
rjmarsden
2017-09-01 07:49
sadly the openvbx project has been pretty much abandoned, but it does work still and I have a test one active at the moment. There is course on Udemy that can help you get up and running in less than an hour using AWS to host it on.
rjmarsden
2017-09-01 07:50
I think it was abandoned because developers have moved beyond it as a proof of concept, there are developers doing very funky things now with voice and sms api's
roman
2017-09-01 07:51
I'm actually quite surprised there isn't a full blown solution for PBX based on Twilio. Is there really no demand for this?
roman
2017-09-01 07:52
I imagine desktop and mobile softphones and a nice UI to manage users/features.
rjmarsden
2017-09-01 07:54
I agree but I don't think they want to support it, they only want to deal with pro's and developers, so if they made a simple PBX product they would end up supporting too wide an audience I think
rjmarsden
2017-09-01 07:54
Our company spends circa $1200 a month with them and we are still very much a small client to them
roman
2017-09-01 07:59
Oh I get it why Twilio doesn't wanna support it. I'm just wondering why there isn't a commercial third party solution. Even just for SMBs.
roman
2017-09-01 07:59
Basically a Twilio based phone system that is self managed.
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tatelev
2017-09-08 23:02
I'm back on the hunt of a solution to have a virtual US phone number
tatelev
2017-09-08 23:03
tried http://Voip.ms for a few days but then found out that I cannot verify my US Paypal account, because http://Voip.ms SMS reception is in beta. It did not receive Paypal's verification sms
tatelev
2017-09-09 15:07
@brutus is using Nexmo. @brutus did you ever use your Nexmo number for Paypal US and if so, did the sms verification work?
brutus
2017-09-09 17:32
@tatelev no sorry never used it for banks/sms. only to forward calls and nobody never called me on that number anyway (but i tested call forwarding successfully several time)
tatelev
2017-09-12 17:21
After http://voip.ms which turned up to have their sms receiving not guaranteed because it is in beta, I decided to ask Nexmo if their numbers are guaranteed to work with Paypal's phone number verification by sms
tatelev
2017-09-12 17:21
maybe I shouldn't have asked, this was their reply:
tatelev
2017-09-12 17:22
"Hello,
Thanks for contacting Nexmo support.
From your description, it sounds like you used a Nexmo virtual numbers to "receive messages for the purposes of identity verification" which is outlined as an unacceptable use of Nexmo virtual numbers. If that is the case, then it will not work for that purpose.
You can find more information here regarding uses not permitted.
https://www.nexmo.com/acceptable-use/
"The following list gives examples of uses of the Services that are illegal, improper or abusive. This list is provided by way of example and is not exhaustive and it is your responsibility to comply with all applicable laws."
"Using our long virtual numbers or voice numbers to receive messages for the purposes of identity verification, bulk messaging, automated messaging, messages using automated dialing, pre-recorded messaging, and the like."
Let us know if you have any further questions.
Regards,
Matt
Nexmo a Vonage Company"
roman
2017-09-12 17:32
hahahaha just can?t win man :slightly_smiling_face:
roman
2017-09-12 17:33
How about Twilio? Do they permit using numbers for 2FA?
tatelev
2017-09-12 17:37
no idea
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rjmarsden
2017-09-13 07:25
hi @roman you got me thinking after our Twilio chat, it seems that http://www.aircall.io is a Twilio based PBX, very expensive though
roman
2017-09-13 09:25
It's also very specific - for sales.
tatelev
2017-09-16 06:22
I did some digging and found an app that seems to work were most other voip providers have failed for a U.S Paypal account verification through sms
tatelev
2017-09-16 06:23
the app is called TalkU and getting a US virtual number for a whole year costed me ?4.99
tatelev
2017-09-16 06:24
the U.S number I got(I chose which state, etc...) passed the Paypal verification by sms
tatelev
2017-09-16 06:25
got both Paypal's sms directly on the app, which is what I wanted
tatelev
2017-09-16 06:26
I hope it'll work also with my US bank:slightly_smiling_face:
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fish
2017-09-18 15:59
@tatelevTalkU - I should remember that the next time in down that path
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maxsuur
2017-09-26 12:14
is anyone using Transferwise Borderless Hack?
"Manufactured spending
TransferWise does not support cards issued in all countries, unfortunately (see the list of unsupported countries here). It does support cards issued in Singapore, however, and this presents us with an excellent opportunity. Sending GBP to SGD with a Singapore-issued card costs less than 1.5% in total (TW fee, TW credit card surcharge, exchange rate loss) and the pair is one of those for which TransferWise can guarantee the exchange rate. There are credit cards issued in SG that offer up to 10% in cashback for online spending, I am sure you can see where I am going with this. Just make sure that your return is above 4% to take into consideration all possible fees on the credit card side."
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roman
2017-09-26 23:14
Crazy. Which cards offer 10%? How to get them? :)
aka
2017-09-27 09:33
Yeah, i like money too? which bank is that?
aka
2017-09-27 09:34
cant find much on 10, some are 5 but capped and have fees
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fish
2017-10-01 07:03
If I would be a government and I would setup a honeypot - this is how it would look like!
stoplight
2017-10-01 08:43
@roman those folks actually approached the Liberland government if I remember it correctly and wanted to ?buy? it?hahaha.. :smile:
stoplight
2017-10-01 08:44
They actually did that?coz Roger Ver has pledged 10 million in BTC to support Liberland? :joy:
stoplight
2017-10-01 08:45
Nonetheless it?s a great idea! :slightly_smiling_face: ?I hope they can find a small nation and sell off one of their smaller islands? :slightly_smiling_face: ?the south pacific would be a good place to start..
ivo
2017-10-01 10:18
I recently took part in a private conference with this guy: https://freeprivatecities.com
They are at the final stage with a South american government to create sovereign administrative region there, basically earning the right to create their own rule of law.
stoplight
2017-10-01 20:35
Yes?heard of them before?thought didn?t work out?nice to know that they?re in the final stages! :slightly_smiling_face: ?.nice!
maxsuur
2017-10-01 21:52
Catalonia. Thoughts?
bigworld
2017-10-02 08:26
Pffff
skat
2017-10-02 09:43
@maxsuur It?s a good comparison how Russia is handling unsanctioned meetings and how countries in EU do it :wink: I?m not sure now who is more civilised :slightly_smiling_face:
skat
2017-10-02 09:45
But i?m not surprised, i?ve seen how Estonian handled such meeting before ? nobody in EU cared that people have been beat up by police :slightly_smiling_face: EU will do nothing about this too.
skat
2017-10-02 09:47
Or compare it with Bangkok anti-government protests ? nobody was injured :slightly_smiling_face:
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globalconsulteurope
2017-10-16 07:00
What podcasts are you listening to? Any good recommendations?
globalconsulteurope
2017-10-16 07:01
I am following a Bulgarian one on tech and it stuff. Have tried also several episodes of Voluntary Life.
maxsuur
2017-10-16 07:23
Used to listen to podcasts quite heavily, nowadays, just books and masterminds. TVL is a great one. Listened to it while sparring, hehehe
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ahawkins
2017-10-19 04:04
TVL = ?
maxsuur
2017-10-19 08:11
The Voluntary Life
tkrunning
2017-10-19 10:28
I don't listen to that many podcasts anymore, either, but Layovers is probably my favorite @globalconsulteurope
But that's because I love flying and aviation in general
jase
2017-10-22 11:23
I am getting into The Entrepreneur House now.
jase
2017-10-22 11:24
Tropical MBA used to be my go to but I don't find it as enjoyable anymore
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globalconsulteurope
2017-11-01 09:22
@jase, thanks for recommendation! I tried The Entrepreneur House and liked it. Already subscribed :slightly_smiling_face:
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jase
2017-11-07 07:21
Language learning jackpot: https://the-eye.eu/DataHoarder/WorldTracker.org/Language%20Learning/
soebusiness
2017-11-07 13:25
@jase thanks, mate. Valuable resource.
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ivan
2017-11-21 11:01
I live very similarly.
jase
2017-11-21 13:20
I want to be more minimalist. Definitely a continuous process of optimization
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jase
2018-01-08 09:11
Bon día from Andorra!
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maxsuur
2018-02-26 12:29
Saw the "All the money in the world" movie by Ridley Scott yesterday night. About the kidnapping of World's richest man grandson: Paolo Getty. Very Very good.
maxsuur
2018-02-26 12:31
A helluva lot of lessons about wealth creation and asset protection embedded into the film for those who have "eyes to hear and ears to see" :stuck_out_tongue:
johncitizen
2018-02-26 13:46
Any further words? I?m keen to see it.
danz
2018-02-26 15:05
Seen it to last week, good movie
2018-02-26 15:06
@roman commented on @jase?s file https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/U1UMK6C3S/F8PGKGCJ1/img_20180108_100555.jpg: Looks very much like BC :smile:
jase
2018-02-26 15:06
Blue skies and sunny today @roman!
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maxsuur
2018-03-13 11:25
What do you guys think about the coming collapse that all of these financial marketers have been predicting for so long? Is 2018 the year in which finally the bubble will crash? or is it just another marketing gimmick for their business to stay afloat and sell those courses. Should I start building a bunker and buying tons of canned food (for humans)? :slightly_smiling_face: This is a serious question. Thanks
clr
2018-03-13 11:49
Could be. Maybe Trump?s protectionist policies could trigger a recession. Maybe not. I have found that I am quite good at seeing long term trends, but when it comes to making short term predictions, I am almost clueless. In nine months we will know the answer. :grinning:
clr
2018-03-13 11:56
Regarding those business, yes, they are always predicting collapse. They thrive on scared people. I stopped reading Zerohedge because it always seemed that the world was on the verge of collapse. I found all the continuous conspiranoid narrative unhealthy, even though I learned stuff reading it, and sometimes they publish interesting news.
roman
2018-03-13 12:03
Carlos yup exact same story. Stopped reading ZH for the same reasons.
ivo
2018-03-13 14:17
On a long enough timeline we all stop reading ZH, right?
stolzlos
2018-03-13 17:21
Any economic collapse/downturn is nothing but a chain of credit defaults which is caused by overleverage due to business overoptimism and miscalculation. The problem increases obviously with the amount of debt outstanding which today unfortunately is at historic highs. Will a heftier downturn pass without trouble? Unlikely. Does that mean the world will end? Nah. There will be more money printing of course and currencies will take it on the chin. Eventually the whole situation will resolve itself with another international agreement like Bretton Woods or Plaza Agreement.
maxsuur
2018-03-13 21:33
I like reading "Freemanperspective" though. Quite historical and long-term view of future trends.
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maxsuur
2018-03-14 19:14
His book "Principles" is magnificient
stolzlos
2018-03-14 19:33
so I heard. I will certainly pick it up. Thanks.
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jase
2018-03-17 10:14
I saw the gains in 2017 as unsustainable, and Shiller PE is peaking http://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe/, however sentiment is neither high or low https://ycharts.com/indicators/investor_sentiment_bullish.
jase
2018-03-17 10:16
I feel the big shift to "buy the index" is pumping up multiples, which in theory means stocks are becoming overvalued across the board, BUT if this becomes the new normal, maybe we should just be expecting higher multiples from now onward?
jase
2018-03-17 10:16
Also like @clr I can't predict shit. :joy:
jase
2018-03-17 10:16
I'll let you guys know when I buy or sell so you can inverse me.
stolzlos
2018-03-17 11:00
I suck extremely calling the stock market. Regulations, ETFs, Hedgefunds, News, Politics (especially Trump), Bonds, the Fed, etc. makes this near impossible. There are so many crosscurrents. Its too much for me.
stolzlos
2018-03-17 11:01
Contrary to that, the OTC markets are a sea of calm.
jase
2018-03-17 11:02
Someone much older and wiser said to me last week: if you set your goals, and you meet them (say, 5% ROI this year), but the market does higher than this, you should be happy you met your investing goal.
jase
2018-03-17 11:02
I've been taking some wins when possible lately, so I have some dry powder if/when the time comes.
stolzlos
2018-03-17 11:04
very prudent
stolzlos
2018-03-17 11:04
somebody once said to me "selling IS a skill"
stolzlos
2018-03-17 11:05
did not understand that simple statement for a very long time.
jase
2018-03-17 11:05
indeed
jase
2018-03-17 11:06
some stocks i buy with the intention of holding forever (assuming the companies stay suitable), others it's more of a timing play. but i still have no idea how people day trade - way too time consuming and stressful for me
jase
2018-03-17 11:07
@jase uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/U1UMK6C3S/F9SKM1BF1/image.png
stolzlos
2018-03-17 11:08
haha. I know what you mean. I tried everything. It is a full time job. And I don't mean just market times. More like 15h a day. Not my cup of tea. Or lets say, I would not mind if I were any good at it. Unfortunately I am not...
jase
2018-03-17 11:08
trying to focus more on longer term cycles as @clr mentioned as it seems to be a game I can not-so-much-win-but-do-OK-at
stolzlos
2018-03-17 12:11
I went from long term to day trader and tried different asset but I ended up being a swing trader and decided stick to the stuff with the highest volatility (OTCs, cryptos, etc). This is where I feel home the most.
jase
2018-03-17 12:13
yeah i'm sitting between buy and hold income investor and swing trader
jase
2018-03-17 12:13
take wins from swing trading, pump into value income stocks
jase
2018-03-17 12:13
we'll see how that works out long term
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maxsuur
2018-04-15 21:38
For those Ubuntu users, I've noticed that using snap packages somehow makes my programs/apps load slower. Have you experienced the same issue?
maxsuur
2018-04-15 21:39
Thinkpad t450. core i5. 256 SSD disk. 4GB RAM
maxsuur
2018-04-15 21:39
This app itself for instance
ivan
2018-04-16 11:14
I'm not using Ubuntu nowadays but didn't experience any of that when I used it a lot (used Slack there as well). You're very low on RAM, tho.
ggiampieri
2018-04-16 17:25
Move to Mint, still debian based but super friendly and stable! Happy daily user since 2013
skat
2018-04-16 18:13
I thought that mint is ubuntu based
skat
2018-04-16 18:15
it will not get more stable then ubuntu :slightly_smiling_face:
thy
2018-04-16 18:18
Another desktop which Mint has, may get it more stable than Ubuntu I guess, because Ubuntu has quite heavy Unity desktop. Another suitable option may be Xubuntu or any similar ?lighter? distribution. I personally find ElementaryOS very light on resources, works smoothly and has beautiful desktop experience.
thy
2018-04-16 18:19
I think both Mint and ElementaryOS are Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is Debian-based. So they are not directly Debian-based, but indirectly, yes.
skat
2018-04-16 18:24
It's like OSX wannabe OS's :slightly_smiling_face:
skat
2018-04-16 18:24
There is more to linux then that :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2018-04-16 18:32
Some other smart dudes have told me so. But I guess the lure of Ubuntu is still too intense for me to switch over to Mint
maxsuur
2018-04-16 18:32
I am not changing Ubuntu anytime soon, I just friggin' love it
maxsuur
2018-04-16 18:33
I am upgrading my Thinkpad, that's for sure
johncitizen
2018-04-17 09:22
@maxsuur any advice on your Ubuntu setup? I?ve just got a vanilla Ubuntu install at home
johncitizen
2018-04-17 09:22
@ggiampieri I run mint on a VM on my laptop
ggiampieri
2018-04-17 15:36
I have been apt-getting since 2004 and debian is debian. Even if I love it in combo with virtualmin, I must admin Wordpress is more stable on centos and cpanel. Client side I hate ubuntu GUI so mint is better for me being windows like, wich I hate but still dual boot for Adobe. Multicharts runs on win with xen vm on debian. Everything is just a tool and personal experience matters a lot. :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2018-04-17 19:05
I am using ubuntu 17.10, by the end of the current month I'll be updating to the latest version: 18.04 LTS. Just ordered another 4GB Crucial RAM to make it faster. Well, in terms of programs: I use Franz, MailSpring, Qbittorent, Kazam, PasswordSafe, Tusk (Trello Client), Slack, Chromium, Ubuntu Cleaner, LibreOffice 6, and of course Tinder. Gparted only works on Ubuntu Xorg, so if you need to delete and create partitions on your drives, "go Xorg", at least for a little formatting while. Nothing Else.
maxsuur
2018-04-17 19:06
C'mon, Ubuntu GUI is lovable. For me it's the fanciest by far. Not switchin' over to anything else by any means.
maxsuur
2018-04-17 19:07
Btw, No dual boot. I just removed Windows for good. Don't want to have anything to do with that company anymore. Not even Virtual Machines. I play no video games either, so I don't give a damn.
maxsuur
2018-04-17 19:14
Also Inboxer is the open-sourced version of Inbox by gmail. Quite Good. And Calibre, for ebooks.
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ggiampieri
2018-04-20 15:43
Guys I have a question. How do you handle customs to ship to FBA for NA markets? I need to find a reliable shipping company to pick up from far east to US, able to handle customs duty for a HK company. If you guys think it is useful we can make a shipping/logistic channel. Thanks
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ggiampieri
2018-04-30 10:14
Noone is shipping to the US?
jase
2018-04-30 15:28
I have the same problem, but am procrastinating on said problem right now @ggiampieri. My feeling is I need to step up and use a freight forwarder to receive the goods then fwd to Amazon
ggiampieri
2018-04-30 20:33
@jase Freight forwarding is not the issue, the point is to pay customs duty that must be done by a company registered with IRS
jase
2018-04-30 20:35
I believe a non-US entity can register to pay
ggiampieri
2018-04-30 20:50
That would be great, then a forwarder is more than enough. I will ask a shipping agent from Shenzhen if they know. Keep you posted
jase
2018-05-02 21:36
Are many people here into cars?
jase
2018-05-02 21:37
I know way back there was The Free Car Report or similar name by W. G. Hill discussing how to buy/sell new cars. Does anyone have an up to date knowledge of opportunities?
jase
2018-05-02 21:37
My gut feeling is the best opportunity is to buy a car in a high tax country and import it to a low tax country where you live.
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johncitizen
2018-05-06 09:30
Just did the upgrade to 18.04 lts. Haven?t had time to setup the desktop properly yet, but overall it?s ok, my favourite python IDE works no problems.
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petrus.luijpers
2018-05-12 11:21
Any tips on which cms to use for online shop i want to implement for free for a friend who goes online. I was thinking about prestashop, put in on his co'hosted server and configure it. ( My php and database skills are ok.)
danz
2018-05-12 12:39
Woocommerce? Used that before, works simply. Not to complex, but probably less options than Prestashop/Magento.
petrus.luijpers
2018-05-12 12:49
@danz tnx wiil have a look.
roman
2018-05-12 12:50
Shopify
jase
2018-05-12 13:08
Woo or Shopify personally.
jase
2018-05-12 13:08
Shopify for low hassle and is potentially more reliable at scale. WooCommerce for ultimately flexibility with less products.
petrus.luijpers
2018-05-12 14:24
@roman @jase tnx i will go for woo. Or maybe presta? https://ecommerce-platforms.com/compare/shopify-vs-woocommerce-comparison
roman
2018-05-12 14:39
The thing about self managed solutions is that it?s an overhead in time. It?s a PITA to manage and setup. You?ll pay more in time than you save in money.
roman
2018-05-12 14:39
Especially if you are doing it for a friend, presumably a non-paying client.
petrus.luijpers
2018-05-12 14:48
@roman. You are right. However i see it also as an opportunity to learn, and to repeat lateron this year. ( i used prestashop longtime ago when there was not yet mobile and cloud). I stopped developing websites in 2011.
maxsuur
2018-05-12 20:24
That's why I decided not to go along with Open-sourced-and-full-of-potential Mautic and stayed with Active Campaign as my email service provider.
ggiampieri
2018-05-12 22:02
Find a well supported theme, be ready to invest time in learning plugins, which is good for the results you need
ggiampieri
2018-05-12 22:03
Backup backup backup and have a testing online environment helps a lot
ivan
2018-05-13 01:15
@petrus.luijpers if you want to use it as an opportunity to learn I'd focus on Shopify. More and more clients are requesting me shopify development these days.
ivan
2018-05-13 01:17
Woocommerce is great but in a cheap shared hosting its performance might be lacking.
maxsuur
2018-05-13 06:41
@ivan There's lots of infoproduct creators selling those Shopify courses outta there. Haven't seen a Woocommerce one in quite a while. Trendy.
jase
2018-05-13 06:53
WooCommerce performance isnt an issue. Good hosting/caching/optimization can easily get it to sub 2 seconds
ivan
2018-05-13 11:07
I think Wordpress in general has a performance issue. That's why many simple websites are migrating to Jekyll or Hugo. Most WP sites are using a database where it isn't needed and only generates performance and security problems. But I also believe Woocommerce is the best option of the 2 if you have proper hosting and optimization. Shopify is definitely trendy, I've seen whole agencies specializing on it lately and more and more clients asking for it.
roman
2018-05-13 18:25
Yup same here. Ditched mautic pretty quick. How do u like AC? I?m looking for a new platform for one of my clients. Need something similar to Mautic. AC was def on a short list.
maxsuur
2018-05-13 20:27
I pretty much like AC. One of the best in terms of price & quality. Def recommended.
skat
2018-05-14 13:30
Shopify is indeed a best bet, but not without issues. My favorite is http://snipcart.com though, but i'm a geek.
I've been playing with some other options -- and they seem totally inadequate for today's e-commerce business. Slow as hell, mostly relying on caching ... and those into engineering probably know that 'just use caching' is a fucked up advise to give to your customers.
I'm also building my own e-commerce SaaS, so i'm a bit sensitive about this topic :smile:
jase
2018-05-14 17:26
It amazes me people still use Magento
jase
2018-05-14 17:26
Maybe there's something I'm missing
ggiampieri
2018-05-14 21:38
Woocommerce is very flexible and well suported. Considering 95% is mobile traffic, full responsive and funnel friendly is a must. I am not a fan of it but it does work well for selling!
maxsuur
2018-05-15 08:37
Been investigating the jekyll thing. Very interesting that you can host an entire website for free on github using this tool.
ec9731a
2018-05-15 09:24
Hi there, I am mostly based in Chiang Mai but am in Antalya and Istanbul for a few weeks. Does anyone here live in these places by any chance?
johncitizen
2018-05-15 11:10
I can vouch for @ec9731a, she was in Korea on my island and has the right attitude :)
jase
2018-05-15 17:28
TIL @johncitizen has an island. How do I get an invite?
jase
2018-05-15 17:28
Also welcome @ec9731a :slightly_smiling_face:
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roman
2018-05-16 12:50
As the saying goes - there is no free lunch :smile: It sounds like they want you to work for it. It?s free, but not free if you value your time.
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:51
@roman there's this girl I just found on facebook with hordes of followers, uploading pics of how awesome her life is
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:51
She only has one video on youtube talking how she worked for various supermarkets as cashier and so on
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:51
And now her life is wonderful
roman
2018-05-16 12:52
Isn?t it classics? :smile:
roman
2018-05-16 12:52
It very much sounds like a time share / pyramid type setup.
roman
2018-05-16 12:52
Just by the context of the text on that page.
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:52
She claims to be an expert in "Trading, Cryptocurrencies, Travel, Investments, and lots of other things"
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:52
Ponzi Scheme
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:52
That's 4 sure.
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:52
Here's the screenshot
roman
2018-05-16 12:52
> Can I earn back my activation fee within 30 days of upgrading?
So it?s ?free?, but there is an ?activation fee?? :smile:
roman
2018-05-16 12:52
> The $195 USD activation fee is refundable only during your first 14 days after upgrading.
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:53
@maxsuur uploaded a file: https://freedomsurfer.slack.com/files/U1FB1A0NM/FAQTMEGDT/captura_de_pantalla_de_2018-05-16_14-17-27.png
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:53
hahah
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:53
it really makes me want to pinpoint all those fraudsters and scam artists
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:53
being the Founder the maximum responsible for this non-sense
roman
2018-05-16 12:53
Too many to point out
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:53
Too many
roman
2018-05-16 12:54
And too difficult to find loose ends tbh.
roman
2018-05-16 12:54
I worked for a company that worked with some of these shady characters before. These things go way deep.
roman
2018-05-16 12:55
And if you try to expose some, they?ll send C&D letters and threaten with lawyers and so on. It?s a giant PITA.
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:58
Interesting
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:58
it makes me want to puke
maxsuur
2018-05-16 12:59
Whatever, there are so many fools out there. That's the reason why these companies exist.
ivan
2018-05-16 21:43
Yes, I kind of specialize on Jekyll these days, so feel free to ask about it.
ivan
2018-05-16 21:44
The most interesting thing about it lately are CMS like cloudcannon and netlifycms.
ivan
2018-05-16 21:44
I like Hugo more than Jekyll but Cloudcannon doesn't support it.
burrup.lambert
2018-05-17 17:55
Worth a registration? Any other resources you recommend?
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michael
2018-05-23 10:29
Not sure if you have found yet. I know these guys do shipping fro China to the Americas / Europe http://fittyshades.com/
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maxsuur
2018-05-29 14:11
I am not sure if the forum is still functioning. Just check the articles from time to time. The content is worthwhile.
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maxsuur
2018-06-07 08:34
is anyone here with creation and marketing of dietary supplements?
maxsuur
2018-06-07 08:34
*experienced
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maxsuur
2018-06-11 20:25
Hi guys, I need a virtual address in the US. I have considered "ClevverMail" due to its low fees. I would only need to have it printed on a supplement I'm creating for my customers. Do you guys use any other reliable company for this type of service?
jase
2018-06-12 05:38
Does anyone know of a country that is safe, where rural property is cheap and tax isn't too high, or they don't go after new residents (for example, people spending 3-5 months a year). I've always wanted a small farm somewhere...
roman
2018-06-12 09:20
I don?t know if it qualifies for any of your points, but maybe look at Montenegro?
jase
2018-06-12 10:53
Yeah I've been thinking this. Might try and roadtrip down later this year
clr
2018-06-12 11:21
@maxsuur Traveling Mailbox
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maxsuur
2018-06-12 14:53
Danke, digo gracias :slightly_smiling_face:
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ivo
2018-06-13 06:58
@jase I think Montenegro is not the best option for you. While the tax regime favourable (9% flat) and land is cheap there is not that much viable farm land there. If you still decide to go down let me know - I have some business there and am well connected in MNE.
Serbia might be the better option. They have a flat tax of 10% on agricultural income, if I remember correctly.
Also, while Georgia currently prohibits foreign ownership of agricultural land, there's a law to be passed this year that will enable foreigners to hold minority stakes in companies owning agricultural land. I'm myself building a farm there right now. Georgia has a territorial tax regime and land is still very cheap.
jase
2018-06-13 07:40
Thanks for your thoughts/info @ivo. I should note when I'm taking about a farm, I'm talking small - hobby farm small.
johncitizen
2018-06-13 14:18
@ivo any interest in starting an agricultural company?
ivo
2018-06-13 14:27
I'm already in the middle of it ;) the project is currently closed for outside investors but we're planning on making another round of investments where we'll open up for other investors.
jase
2018-06-13 18:01
@johncitizen yes! :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2018-06-13 18:01
But I suspect now is not the time.
jase
2018-06-13 18:02
If I went down that track I'd probably be looking to either do some high value plantations (organic berries or nuts for example), or go the route of finding cheap, arid land close to the ocean and investigate saltwater greenhouses.
roman
2018-06-13 20:40
@jase read on a news a few days back that Chinese were finally able to grow rice which was watered with salt water in some Dubai desert.
jase
2018-06-14 07:16
Yep - an Australian permaculture farmer did it in Jordan many moons ago
jase
2018-06-14 07:16
To me - fascinating. Making something out of nothing
jase
2018-06-14 07:17
Water to wine! haha
johncitizen
2018-06-14 09:47
Wow
johncitizen
2018-06-14 09:47
Most of central Australia could do this with bore water.
jase
2018-06-14 09:52
I can see this being a more predictable model if you're doing it for business
jase
2018-06-14 09:52
Start with tomatoes in Australia
jase
2018-06-14 09:52
When legal weed comes in, switch
roman
2018-06-14 11:40
But the Chinese didn?t not desalinate. They GMOed a rice variety that consumes salt water.
jase
2018-06-14 12:31
oh right. cool, but makes you wonder.
jase
2018-06-14 12:31
about future health ramifications
michael
2018-06-14 13:49
That's really cool
michael
2018-06-14 13:50
a bit late with all the GMO :stuck_out_tongue:
mikeseo
2018-06-14 13:56
maybe if you eat the rice than your kids will be able to drink seawater
michael
2018-06-14 13:56
lol
michael
2018-06-14 13:56
that's super cool too
ivo
2018-06-14 18:12
@jase I was also evaluating investments in berries & nuts. Eventually, I opted for the nuts.
jase
2018-06-14 19:43
Very cool @ivo. Is this something you actively manage?
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ivo
2018-06-15 13:15
@jase Well, I'm regularly on the farm but aside from playing with the dogs and drinking wine with the tractor drivers, I do not fulfil any useful purpose there. Two of my good friends are working there full-time and managing the project.
jase
2018-06-15 14:08
Very cool @ivo! Exactly the sort of scenario I am looking for one day.
stolzlos
2018-06-17 09:38
stolzlos
2018-06-17 09:39
I assume some ppl know that but I think it is just a magnificent service google created
stolzlos
2018-06-17 09:40
very helpful to get an understanding of flight prices, location wise and seasonally
maxsuur
2018-06-19 17:06
Any recommended books on Equity?
maxsuur
2018-06-19 17:07
Specifically how to go about obtaining equity in business if you're a marketer
maxsuur
2018-06-19 17:07
*businesses
johncitizen
2018-06-22 06:39
@stolzlos I'm using ITA matrix and a travel agent to hammer down on points flights. Also sometimes I do points suctions for tickets (Where someone else pays in points for your ticket usually for upto 50% off).
stolzlos
2018-06-22 07:46
@johncitizen thanks a lot. I will certainly check it out.
jase
2018-06-22 08:50
It would be awesome if there was a search engine for flights that allowed you to enter the airlines and flight classes you wanted (for points) as a filter.
stolzlos
2018-06-22 10:04
@jase I think Google flights does that
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burrup.lambert
2018-07-25 19:10
Anyone a member of Sovereign Man : Confidential?
julienduteurtre
2018-07-25 20:50
Yes I've been for the last 2 years, I didn't renew 2 months ago, I think it is great content, well written but a bit redundant and really US persons oriented.
johncitizen
2018-07-25 23:57
I?ve been a member for several years.
vinodgn0088
2018-07-26 01:35
@johncitizen 995 USD per year. Worth it ?
johncitizen
2018-07-26 02:03
I got in a long time ago on a lifetime membership. That being said, if I had the net worth and cash flow I?d probably get involved in the total access thing.
johncitizen
2018-07-26 02:03
They have had some deals that returned 9-12% pa
danz
2018-07-26 02:05
What makes it worth it? I see it getting advertised quite a bit so was wondering. Recommendations for investments?
vinodgn0088
2018-07-26 03:51
So they actually guide you to where to invest ? Or its just some reports on tax residencies, migration reports.Something like whats available on Freedomsurfer
burrup.lambert
2018-07-26 12:45
Content relevant to us Aussies @johncitizen?
johncitizen
2018-07-26 23:09
Moreso now than before. 4th pillar is very relevant as it?s written by an Aussie.
johncitizen
2018-07-26 23:09
johncitizen
2018-07-26 23:10
Could be fun for the Georgians to restore these.
burrup.lambert
2018-07-27 18:49
If anyone wants to take the plunge into I found this link to get SMC + The Foreign Trust kit for $700, usually it would like $1000 for SMC alone. Enjoy.
https://join.sovereignman.com/2018_07_smc_secure_order
burrup.lambert
2018-07-28 11:50
If you want to take it a step further, here's the link to get SMC Lifetime membership for one-off $1995 and yearly $95 fee :wink:.
https://join.sovereignman.com/2018_07_smc_special_lifetime
burrup.lambert
2018-07-28 11:55
And a link for SM Fourth Pillar for 50% off yearly subscription,
https://join.sovereignman.com/2018_07_smc_special_4p
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maxsuur
2018-10-16 22:46
has anyone tried Dynamite Circle's Membership? is it any good?
roman
2018-10-17 02:13
I just joined a few days ago. So far not seeing what?s the value. Maybe most of the networking happens in person at meetups.
jase
2018-10-17 02:22
Is it any good probably depends on what you want out of it
jase
2018-10-17 02:23
For me its more social more than anything else, and a way to surround myself with some great people. But I do feel there's an "inner circle" - there's a lot of people who login and read things and don't contribute... They probably done get much out of it.
jase
2018-10-17 02:23
Those who co tribute likely do get plenty back
maxsuur
2018-10-17 08:47
@jase @roman wondering if everything revolves around a forum or a slack group like this one. What about the in-person meetings? I like the idea of being surrounded by people smarter than me I could learn from and also contribute. Online entrepreneurship gets lonely real fast
danz
2018-10-17 10:22
Haven?t tried it to, but it?s mostly because I am not in SEA anymore where the majority is located I believe. I would probably try it when I get back there. I have met some people of the group over the years, the in-person meetings seem to be nice and worth the money from what I hear.
roman
2018-10-17 11:53
@maxsuur yes, there?s a forum. The forum isn?t super active, but a few new posts per day and many replies. The content of the forum seems pretty good. People share solid advice.
ggiampieri
2018-10-17 17:44
@roman good to know.. What about Sovereignman? Is anyone a member?
maxsuur
2018-10-18 09:09
I used to listen to the podcast. Not anymore. For no particular reason
skat
2018-10-18 16:46
@maxsuur I've been a member for a year, dug up around 5 threads with pure gold content - but other then that - didn't felt that it's my thing.
A lot of positive reinforcement, hardly any critical feedback on anything. A crowd is mostly marketers, it was hard to relate for an engineering mind like mine
skat
2018-10-18 16:48
I'm probably more into "engineers trying to make money on their own" communities. I spend a lot of time at indiehackers and work in progress communities nowadays
burrup.lambert
2018-10-18 16:50
Been an SMC member for a couple months now. Too early to tell, lots of great content. All about value investing, residency, citizenship, economic freedom. There's a video library from some past events you can view. As an SMC member you get a discount at Silver Bullion in Singapore, around 15-18% off storage fees. Started listening to the podcast recently. Best one so far is #073, give it a listen. As another member told me here the real value is in The 4th Pillar report which I also subscribe too. I haven't taken any profits yet but this is Tim's track record from one of his most recent issues *"Our average open position is up by 44.6%. The average holding period across all open positions is just short of 15 months. So, the annualized average gain comes to 36%.*" Pretty good if you ask me. I also like that he is personally invested into (nearly) each recommendation he makes.
skat
2018-10-18 16:51
I should note, that dynamite circle people in person are really awesome. Spent a lot of time in HCMC with DC - and had a blast
maxsuur
2018-10-18 18:34
Thanks @skat I'm also an engineer by trade, although I've never felt part of the group (never wore glasses). More of a marketing-oriented person. But like the idea of brutal feedback by people more experience than you. That could be a turnoff, unless intentedly asked. Will check out those sites you mentioned too. Where are you at the moment?
skat
2018-10-19 08:28
@maxsuur i'm currently stationed in Chiang Mai, I stopped travelling and trying to launch an online business.
maxsuur
2018-10-19 09:32
Nice. I remember you mentioned something about SAAS a while ago
skat
2018-10-19 10:29
@maxsuur yeah, we're preparing for a public launch really soon. We don't plan to add anymore features, it's mostly testing and bug squashing :slightly_smiling_face: are you planning for a visit ?
maxsuur
2018-10-19 10:45
Would like to! But could pay you a visit to your website, if you let me :wink:
michael
2018-10-19 21:18
@burrup.lambert If you're into investing you may want to check out http://capitalistexploits.at
maxsuur
2018-10-19 23:31
another worthy-of-having-a-look-at site is "WallStreetPlayboys"
maxsuur
2018-10-19 23:31
also on twitter
michael
2018-10-20 05:46
thank you @maxsuur will have a look at it :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2018-10-20 08:10
you're wilkommen @michael
sergiy.shlykov
2018-10-20 21:46
@maxsuur I?ve been a member for a year and it has been quite transformational for me and my business. I am a software engineer by trade, but i work at the intersection of marketing and software these days. Knowing so many good marketeers has helped me up my game in this regard. Also being around people who own (often automated) 6-7 fig businesses helps in terms of broadening your horizons, you see which kinds of founders/businesses are capable of bootstrapped growth and success, and which do not end up being success stories. This might be true of any biz community, but it was just an experience I had, when i first joined. Besides, the community has been really helpful in terms of finding a part of the crowd i can relate to, becoming a part of a weekly business mastermind group?If you are not a part of a mastermind group yet, i would strongly advise you joining one. for two reasons: the relationships you build and the value you receive/are able to provide is hard to beat. Also, the live events are not your typical dev meetups, which is nice for a change :smile: Having been to 4 live events this year, I can tell: if you are building your own funnels for ecomm, infoproducts, agency, pretty much any software internet marketing tools/services, then the community is great for your business connections. If you are more of the engineering type, are deep in the weeds with tech or want to connect with more no-so-bootstrapped startup founders, then it might not be the right place.
maxsuur
2018-10-20 23:02
Thanks @sergiy.shlykov for sharing such a detailed experience. I feel that community would be a really good fit for me.
fish
2018-10-20 23:50
@sergiy.shlykov Which group are we talking about?
sergiy.shlykov
2018-10-21 00:04
@fish DC, the Dynamite Circle
fish
2018-10-21 00:08
Interesting. Are you meeting in real life or virtually?
ggiampieri
2018-10-21 00:08
I will definitely join.. Thanks for the feedback guys
fish
2018-10-21 00:08
Also it seems theyre all female
http://tropicalmba.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_1756.jpg
fish
2018-10-21 00:09
@ggiampieri Let me know how it goes. Sounds interesting but I'm not willing to invest 500 bucks a year for an unknown group yet
sergiy.shlykov
2018-10-21 00:09
We?ve known each other virtually for a year(meeting via skype weekly, sometimes biweekly), but i?ve only met one guy in-person
sergiy.shlykov
2018-10-21 00:10
it?s kinda hard to maintain real-life meetings when you are travelling for the most part of the year and changing ?homebases? every now and then :slightly_smiling_face:
ggiampieri
2018-10-21 00:11
I will ask to join a meeting and try the 3 months. I am interested about their recruitment venture
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maxsuur
2018-10-21 10:44
I can see a future girlfriend of mine in this photo
jase
2018-10-21 14:04
Were you in BKK @sergiy.shlykov? We're packing out stuff up now, flying back home tomorrow
sergiy.shlykov
2018-10-21 14:05
Nope, not this year, @jase. Staying in europe for the time being :slightly_smiling_face: You?
jase
2018-10-21 14:06
Yeah - I'm meant to be at the party tonight but I'm way too tired
jase
2018-10-21 14:06
Was really good though - my goal was to "get in the room" with some key people and I did that. I think it's opened some doors moving forwards
sergiy.shlykov
2018-10-21 14:25
Yeah, you really need quite a stamina to be there for all activities. It is not required though :smile:, which is good. Glad that you are enjoying it there
arcaballero
2018-10-23 20:38
Speaking of entrepreneur groups, does anyone else know or is part of other ?exclusive? paid mastermind groups such as these?
Another one I know of is 10x Factory. I?ve seen their ads as well and wondering if it?s good value for money.
johncitizen
2018-10-23 21:34
A lot of these groups want like 25k a year membership.
johncitizen
2018-10-23 21:34
That?s on the high side
maxsuur
2018-10-24 12:44
well, if you are making 100,000k a year, it may be of use, if that gets you to the 500,000k mark or so
jase
2018-10-24 16:20
10x stole the DC members list them spammed them all. Basically a dick move
jase
2018-10-24 16:21
My feeling is if the founder/s are like that, the community is probably just full of similar types of people looking to make a quick buck
johncitizen
2018-10-24 23:04
Yep, once you have lists of people in certain circles, you can just find out what their interests/needs are tailor a new group to those needs, charge $25k a membership, get all the content written by smucks, etc. hold exclusive events, whatever else.
johncitizen
2018-10-24 23:04
My question is, what do the founders do that make them the best fit for the group?
johncitizen
2018-10-24 23:09
Like you could have a group that charges $0 for entry, but have a high barrier to entry, individuals need to be vetted in and prove they have run successful businesses in that industry. But I guess the dollar figure really does dissuade that aren't commited.
maxsuur
2018-10-25 07:43
Even if it's a measly fee, folks tend to value better things they've paid for. this also applies to people raking in millions.
johncitizen
2018-10-29 05:19
Try find a decent deal on total access
burrup.lambert
2018-10-29 08:33
Anyone know the rough estimate of personal net worth or capital that would be required to gain the most from Total Access?
vinodgn0088
2018-10-29 10:19
"A CEO walks into your office and says:
I have a profitable company with $523,000 of cash in the bank.
You can buy this entire company today for $302,000.
You'll also get hundreds of thousands of dollars of real estate, equipment, and other tangible assets included with the deal.
Plus, we're cashflow positive generating about $6,000 per quarter. This means our cash balance is RISING instead of FALLING and we have decades of life on that income stream."
vinodgn0088
2018-10-29 10:19
What do you think about the above lines on their site. Hard to accept :disappointed:
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jase
2018-11-04 21:02
I just joined a group like this. Had to do a Skype call with the founder to get in. People seem more likely to share - that's where the value is really
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maxsuur
2018-11-07 10:10
I saw it just yesterday, it appeared on the Youtube algorithm somehow. Worth having a look at it. Props to Prenups!
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maxsuur
2018-12-24 23:11
Happy FreedomSurfin' Xmas to y'all
jase
2018-12-24 23:32
Merry Christmas all!
vinodgn0088
2018-12-24 23:41
Merry Christmas to everyone
johncitizen
2018-12-24 23:55
Joyeux Noel! feliz Navidad!
stolzlos
2018-12-25 07:03
Merry Xmas!
ivan.lakatos
2018-12-25 15:23
Merry Christmas everyone!
danz
2018-12-25 15:42
Merry Christmas!
simon
2018-12-25 18:31
Merry Christmas all :slightly_smiling_face:
burrup.lambert
2018-12-27 09:34
Not sure if this one has been made public yet but it looks like http://GoldSilver.com has had a data breach. Just got an email from Have I been Pwned
*GoldSilver: In October 2018, the bullion education and dealer services site GoldSilver suffered a data breach that exposed 243k unique email addresses spanning customers and mailing list subscribers. An extensive amount of personal information on customers was obtained including names, addresses, phone numbers, purchases and passwords and answers to security questions stored as MD5 hashes. In a small number of cases, passport, social security numbers and partial credit card data was also exposed. The data breach and source code belonging to GoldSilver was publicly posted on a dark web service where it remained months later. When notified about the incident, GoldSilver advised that "all affected customers have been directly notified".*
*Compromised data: Bank account numbers, Email addresses, IP addresses, Names, Partial credit card data, Passport numbers, Phone numbers, Physical addresses, Purchases, Security questions and answers, Social security numbers*
Date of breach: 21 Oct 2018
Number of accounts: 242,715
I never received an email from GoldSilver however I am not a customer, I am only on the email subscription list.
roman
2018-12-27 09:35
Same here. Not a customer but got the notification because I was on the list at some point.
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maxsuur
2018-12-31 23:53
Happy new year to all of you!
stoplight
2019-01-01 02:35
It?s been a while?Happy New Year to all! :slightly_smiling_face:
simon
2019-01-01 08:11
Happy new year guys!
stolzlos
2019-01-01 08:20
Happy new year!
danz
2019-01-01 16:22
Happy new year
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jase
2019-01-16 01:57
Surprisingly, Andorra related and NOT run by me
jase
2019-01-16 01:57
But I am helping the guy out :slightly_smiling_face:
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maxsuur
2019-01-16 13:39
sounds good, jase, you going?
jase
2019-01-17 03:55
I'll be guiding :man-mountain-biking:
maxsuur
2019-01-17 13:01
Very interesting talk on the dangers of social media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmXcjvL9VSc
maxsuur
2019-01-17 13:02
You bike-ridin' bastard! :slightly_smiling_face:
sebastian.leu
2019-01-18 02:34
indeed very interesting :+1:
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jase
2019-01-28 09:46
If anyone has feedback on this site, positive or negative, please let me know!
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michael
2019-02-01 10:11
@maxsuur cool, will have a watch.
michael
2019-02-01 10:12
@jase nice and clean cut :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2019-02-01 12:12
Thanks @michael. I'm planning to build a few more of these this year.
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skat
2019-02-05 09:39
You have some issues with speed and image sizes:
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmontenegroguides.co
Looks like a good website, personally it?s sad to see wordpress for such a basic content site.
Usually doing static website + cms would be a less hassle approach (don?t need to worry about update, security and hosting as much).
skat
2019-02-05 09:40
half of a screen on a right is taken by a static content :disappointed:
skat
2019-02-05 09:42
I?d probably scrap that right section completely. Seems like a wasted space.
skat
2019-02-05 09:44
Really strange value in alt tags for some images. Is that a keyword your trying to rank for?
jase
2019-02-05 23:50
haha thanks skat. i can tell you're a dev :slightly_smiling_face:
jase
2019-02-05 23:52
speed issues need to be fixed for sure, I didn't realise it was so slow
jase
2019-02-05 23:53
It's the same theme/design as http://andorraguides.com but that is a bit quicker
jase
2019-02-05 23:54
Would be nice to set up a static site but I don't have the time right now. I need to get up to speed with these new headless solutions
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skat
2019-02-06 06:28
@jase How do you monetise these projects?
skat
2019-02-06 06:28
If that?s not a secret
jase
2019-02-07 09:07
If I wanted to make a site like http://nomadlist.com that wasn't like that from a branding point of view, but was basically a huge database that displayed data in a clever way - what would you suggest? Is there something off the shelf I can use?
ggiampieri
2019-02-07 09:27
Similar to numbeo? I think the market is not so big for such 'services', clever people don't need that and wannabe still have no cash, adv for low volumes is a waste of time. Just my opinion
jase
2019-02-07 10:24
Maybe, I think numbeo is more cost of living, yeah?
skat
2019-02-08 06:34
@jase I'm basically building something similar with https://fbacatalog.com project and didn't found any tailored frameworks/tools for this. Peter told me nomadlist nowadays is just a static website, so we built it with http://airtable.com + middleman static site generator + http://netlify.com
skat
2019-02-08 10:42
@jase if you can structure your data in Excel... Google spreadsheet has a functionality called 'publish as a website', you can then buy a domain and create an alias for Google sheets url... This could be your first No Code MVP to validate your idea :-)
skat
2019-02-08 10:42
We did that with fbacatalog, and basically trying out another niche like this too
jase
2019-02-08 10:49
Airtable is a cool option. I will check out fbacatalog. I don't know if there's any real business here, I am just keen to learn something and work on a fun project
jase
2019-02-08 10:49
Thanks @skat
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harvie
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Are there any active marketing or digital nomad channels here that I can join?
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jor.acker
2019-05-15 16:52
Yo guys, I have a question about immigration at airport
One time they took me into a room to ask me question (because i came a bit too much, in Tokyo Japan), they finally let me pass, and I saw a lot of people in the back on computers, writing stuff, so they might have writen something on my file (not sure at all)
If so, would it be smarter/safer to arrive in an other city/airport, then take domestic flight to Tokyo, or it would not change anything anyways ?
simon
2019-05-15 17:48
@jor.acker I doubt it will make a difference, they all share the same database (all entry points into Japan). Last time I went to Tokyo I didn't talk to anyone, I just used the automated machine. Maybe that would be the best option?
jor.acker
2019-05-16 08:48
@simon I see thanks for the info
You mean you didn't even pass to some immigration guy to give you the stamp ??
But overall i'm normally pretty fine just over-paranoid, the time where I got questioned I already spent 6 months in the last 365days before entering and came back after only 3 weeks in HK, now for 2 years I've been going only one time 3 months per year, arriving at Osaka airport but should not make any difference in Toyko this time then
simon
2019-05-16 18:36
I did receive a stamp but was not asked any questions (I already answered the basic questions on the computer).
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michael
2019-05-27 03:23
Random - Anyone met up with fellow FS members? Or are they any meet ups?
simon
2019-05-27 11:53
I have and know of others but there hasn?t been any meet-up recently. Could be interesting to do some this summer, where are you based @michael ?
michael
2019-05-27 16:11
I use Thailand & Singapore as my current bases.
michael
2019-05-27 16:11
@simon nice to know :slightly_smiling_face: real life meet ups
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2019-05-28 18:21
@michael I'll be in Bangkok for a few days mid-July, if you are in town it would be nice to meet.
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harvie
2019-05-29 02:05
Been living in Bangkok for 8 years now, not sure if I'm free in mid July but may be up for a meetup if I am
burrup.lambert
2019-05-29 02:16
Maybe a new channel (#meetups or something) where everyone can just throw in a place and when they're going to be there?
ivan.lakatos
2019-05-29 03:40
Might be in Bangkok mid July too! Planning to establish there for good in January. Anyone living in Chiang Mai by the way?
ivan.lakatos
2019-05-29 03:40
A new channel is a good shout.
romaindepotter
2019-05-29 04:07
Hi @ivan.lakatos.
@redareda9 and myself living in Chiang Mai
danz
2019-05-29 06:51
Not living in Thailand, but I?ll be there in around august to probably
michael
2019-05-29 11:51
What dates are you looking to be in BKK for @simon? Seems like there could potentially be several of us :smile: @harvie @ivan.lakatos @romaindepotter @redareda9 @danz
simon
2019-05-29 11:55
I will arrive on the 15th and fly out on the 22nd. I'll be in Tokyo for the rest of the month in case someone wants to meet there.
redareda9
2019-05-29 11:59
I will probably be in Tokyo at the beginning of August. You?ll still be there?
ledrewy
2019-05-29 12:18
@michael @simon I?d like to join but please set a time and date
simon
2019-05-29 12:28
I'm flying to Fiji at the end of July and then New Zealand.
simon
2019-05-29 12:28
How about Thursday the 18th? We could meet around 19h at CHAR (near Ploen Chit BTS)
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ivan.lakatos
2019-05-29 16:22
Oh cool. Maybe we could meet up at some point. I'm gonna be in Chiang Mai from mid June to beginning of January most likely. @romaindepotter @redareda9
michael
2019-05-29 18:03
Sounds like a plan. Let's do this!
michael
2019-05-29 18:03
@ledrewy
michael
2019-05-29 18:03
@simon
ggiampieri
2019-05-29 19:33
Any good recommendations for a virtual address in New York?
simon
2019-05-29 20:56
@ggiampieri I'd recommend having a look at Anytime Mailbox: https://www.anytimemailbox.com/l/usa/new-york
simon
2019-05-29 21:05
I've added it to my calendar and will send a notification to other members when we get closer to the 18th.
ggiampieri
2019-05-29 21:59
@simon Thanks
ledrewy
2019-05-29 23:12
Actually I?m arriving in BKK on the 15th too but going to KUL on the 16th. I can?t make it for the 18th. I?m sorry I wasn?t sure on my schedule earlier.
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2019-06-16 10:14
What about that new #meetups channel Krapen suggested? @simon Could come in handy for people who just relocated. I've just moved to Chiang Mai @romaindepotter @redareda9 and not really planning to go anywhere else.
simon
2019-06-17 15:58
@ivan.lakatos I?ve created the channel #meetups
simon
2019-06-17 15:58
Feel free to join and post in it
simon
2019-06-17 15:59
I?ll add the other members when I get in front of my laptop
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Thanks @simon I've just joined.
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ggiampieri
2019-06-24 01:37
Hi guys! I am looking for a 24h customer service provider for social and email reply for English speaking countries to support e-commerce sales. Best would be to have it in Asia to serve Asean/Australia as well. Any country to focus on beside the Philippines? Any company suggestions? Thanks
michael
2019-06-24 03:59
You could potentially hire a VA firm in PH? Not sure if these guys can help, they are based out of SE Asia http://www.FolioPorter.com
ggiampieri
2019-06-24 09:31
Thanks man, I will have a look!
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burrup.lambert
2019-06-25 12:10
Watched this today. Indie doc about mass government surveillance for those who are interested.
https://vimeo.com/nothingtohide
simon
2019-06-25 12:15
Thanks for sharing, I?ve added it to my ?to watch? list
ggiampieri
2019-06-26 13:40
I did find some good companies, if you need let me know!
ggiampieri
2019-06-26 13:41
Did watch it, interesting, but nothing new.. Actually confirmed my thoughts on how people feel about it! Thanks
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burrup.lambert
2019-06-27 02:38
Agreed. I like to watch docos like this. For me they serve as a reminder to constantly reevaluate what apps I have on my phone, checking if there is any FOSS alternatives, what permissions they have, rechecking browser settings etc
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vallancepm
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@ggiampieri Hi I live in the Philippines and can possibly help you. What are looking for?
Cheers
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When everyones uses channel @'s all of the time, does that drive away more people?
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redareda9
2019-08-29 15:14
@simon I saw you recommending Line Mobile somewhere as a better alternative to big internet providers like AIS or True. Do they have a big coverage in Chiang Mai as well or was it specific to Bangkok?
simon
2019-08-29 21:02
@redareda9 Their coverage in Chiang Mai is solid (they use the DTAC network).
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Ok, will switch. Thanks
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2019-09-17 17:40
Guys, those of you traveling constantly have any tips or tricks to save money on Airbnb or similar? I've been living in airbnbs for the past year and started wondering if I could be saving money on that.
ivan
2019-09-17 17:43
I also wonder if any of you is paying the stays as a business expense?
rtiagm
2019-09-17 18:10
If you have a physical place somewhere, home exchange is a great
mikeseo
2019-09-17 20:26
meet up with the airbnb host and make a deal in person with cash
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danz
2019-09-18 04:19
@ivan, home exchange is a option if you have a place that is interested to people, an other option is getting a free house/apartment in exchange of watching someone's pets (http://Trustedhousesitters.com), another is using crypto for bookings (http://Travala.com) which gives a bit discount in comparison to other platforms.
bhugbhug
2019-09-19 19:45
If some of you are looking for a portable monitor/home theatre solution, the Philips PicoPix is on sale until tonight 11:59 PT. (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/philips-picopix-max-1080p-full-hd-pico-projector/x/22285307?utm_source=Philips+Projection+Lead+Generation&utm_campaign=36598025cf-EMAIL_SC_launch_2019_08_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b3e37f134a-36598025cf-88591741&mc_cid=36598025cf&mc_eid=2be86fddad#/)
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burrup.lambert
2019-09-30 01:16
Any one spent time in Argentina? Mainly Mendonza, Cordoba or BA? I'm moving to Argentina and try to find somewhere to live :slightly_smiling_face:. I'll try all 3 but I'm thinking Cordoba, little less busy then BA and cheaper. Thoughts? Male, single, early 30's.
assefphilippe
2019-09-30 01:19
Palermo, Ba :ok_hand::skin-tone-4:
burrup.lambert
2019-09-30 01:27
Thanks @assefphilippe. Any comment @ivan :smile: ?
ivan
2019-09-30 14:19
I'm currently living in Merlo, San Luis. Moved recently from Buenos Aires. I was able to get a nice 3 bedroom house in a private neighbourhood for $300/month (https://www.inversionesmerlo.com.ar/inmobiliaria/inmueble/1588).
The place is one of the safest in Argentina and you can get a decent internet connection. Cordoba is very similar, the nicest place in Cordoba in my opinion is a small town called Villa General Belgrano, built by germans.
I would avoid Buenos Aires right now, crime is increasing due to the crisis and all conflicts happen over there.
That said, are you moving alone? What are you looking for? If you want to live in a big city I'd recommend Cordoba Capital or Buenos Aires. Mendoza has become quite unsafe lately.
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burrup.lambert
2019-10-01 05:17
I'm probably thinking a bigish city for now. Moving alone. Thanks for the info @ivan. Just looked at Villa General Belgrano, very German!
ivan
2019-10-01 18:14
In that case, I'd stay in Buenos Aires. Palermo is a bit too crowded for my taste but if you're searching for a nice night life and fun you should stay over there. Belgrano is the only other neighborhood I'd recommend. But if you don't plan to own a car, definitely stay there.
ivan
2019-10-01 18:15
I haven't been to Cordoba City in a while. It's a big city, a bit cheaper than Buenos Aires, share most of the same issues but there are less conflicts over there. You also have access to mountains and a lot of outdoor activities.
ivan
2019-10-01 18:15
But paperwork is always easier in Buenos Aires.
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2019-10-05 04:07
I?m setting up a GoogleFi family account, and I have room for up to 4 more people.
Basically if we get 6 people on it, we get the price down from $80 USD/m to ~ $50/m
15GB data worldwide, extra gigs are $10 after that.
Calls inside US are free, otherwise use Skype as it?s cheaper.
Reply to this thread or DM me I?d interested, I have the SIM cards already so can post them to you, and handle billing
gun
2019-10-05 04:09
Best suits US people who travel a lot, second best suits people who just travel a lot and value not having to get a new SIM all the time
gabriel.courtemanche
2019-10-05 08:16
Hey, I?m interested! Are you talking about the Unlimited of the Flexible plan? https://fi.google.com/about/plans/
gun
2019-10-05 08:58
Correct yes.
gun
2019-10-05 09:00
It shapes after 15GB, or you can top-up to fast speed again for $10/1GB.
I?ve been using it worldwide and it?s very good, only issue is you can?t hotspot outside of the US :confused:
burrup.lambert
2019-10-06 04:42
Suggestions for US virtual address for opening bank accounts? As far as I can see AnytimeMailbox does not have a Pay As You Go plan which I prefer as I won't be receiving much mail.
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2019-10-06 14:51
virtualpostmail
burrup.lambert
2019-10-07 01:32
Thanks @kuka. Doesn't look like they have any pay as you go plans though.
kuka
2019-10-07 01:38
No prob, Krapen. VPM has a valid address so that credit cards and docs are sent there with no problem.
gun
2019-10-07 06:44
?still 3 spots left on this until I delete this message - so anytime in the future hit me up :slightly_smiling_face:
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omocha_10
2019-10-10 06:29
Have in mind that big cities like Buenos Aires and Cordoba are quite dangerous, you have to take precautions and be very alert.
For BA Palermo is ok, the Palermo area near that big parks is a more residential and less crowded than Palermo Hollywood/Soho and so own.
I think is a great time to go the as everything will be way cheaper than last decade.
In Buenos Aires you have nightlife every day.
Right now is big crisis, economic, social and political. It is not going to get better.
The best of Argentina is the nature places like the lakes and mountains in Patagonia, the deep south mixing it with chile.
North west the Atacama dessert, a bit north Jujuy that borders with Bolivia.
Argentina don?t have good beaches.
If you mention your interests I may help you more.
Regards
omocha_10
2019-10-10 06:38
I think in booking you might get more options and special deals.
If you plan to stay several month, rent something with a local short term rental.
If staying long time in Europe, Australia, if it?s your style you can try a stealth van/vanlife, or an RV(rent, lease, buy).
Then you have cheaper prices at single or private rooms at hostels.
Or the dreaded dorms....
Cheaper than that camping and coachsurfing.
Ah, never tried it, but you could try to housesit. Regards
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If you are travelling arround Asia and happens that you stop in Hong Kong, I recommend ClubSim, it's only 10 HKD (1.28 USD) per day you do unlimited data roaming.
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maxsuur
2020-01-01 00:25
Happy New Year everyone
julianmb
2020-01-01 03:55
Happy new year bros :+1:
simon
2020-01-01 04:33
Happy new year!
stolzlos
2020-01-01 07:33
Happy new year!
ivan.lakatos
2020-01-01 09:10
Happy new year to all !
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omocha_10
2020-01-01 14:28
Happy new year all!
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replay
2020-01-05 12:52
Hi. I forgot my password for the freedom surfer website login and I can't find any "reset password" link. Is there a way to reset the password?
simon
2020-01-05 14:39
@replay You can reset your password via: https://www.freedomsurfer.com/wp-login.php?action=lostpassword
replay
2020-01-05 14:56
Thanks Simon!
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maxsuur
2020-01-10 11:00
Do you guys take any supplements for mental performance/energy?
benjamin
2020-01-10 14:08
I take Modafinil if I have a really big day of work I don't enjoy doing. Makes me super productive. I know people taking it daily, but I don't do that.
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2020-01-10 17:11
NIce. I've never tried, but I know it is a very popular substance.
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digimkt
2020-01-16 19:02
you can also try proper healthy food, mindfulness meditation, probiotics, omega 3 with high dha and caffeine with l-thiamine (green tea extract)
benjamin
2020-01-17 01:46
Optimising your blood sugar levels to stay consistent helps a lot as well.
Someone recommended to me listening to Binaural beats while working to stay focussed. I'll be trying that soon, it basically just stops letting your mind wander and helps you to stay focussed.
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redareda9
2020-01-25 09:48
I experimented with Modafinil as well, for me it's not worth the side effects (fatigue the next day + headaches), however you can get really productive when you're well prepared.
Aside of Modafinil, I tried microdosing and it does provide some really good effects.
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andycostesfr
2020-02-12 10:57
Hi everyone ! #random Does anyone live in Budapest ? If some do, we can organise a freedom surfer member's lunch :call_me_hand:
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burrup.lambert
2020-03-14 19:07
Market research for fellow people who live an international lifestyle. What issues do you face with your international lifestyle? How do you keep track of all your bank account details, BSBs, ACH, routing #, account #, address. What about all your Tax Identification Numbers? How do you keep track of all your assets over seas? Gold, term deposits? Your residencies? Your credit cards?
What tool do you feel is missing that would make keeping your international life for simple and in a consolidated place?
How do you track all your travel?
buynps.org
2020-03-14 21:34
I would also like to know!
mikeseo
2020-03-15 02:45
an easy way to see cheap flights/hotels
mikeseo
2020-03-15 02:46
for hotels, price per night, for multiple locations
mikeseo
2020-03-15 02:47
if I'm in singapore and could go to either thailand or vietnam or philippines, which date and airport is best to fly, which city has the best hotel deals, how much the hotel costs for each night
mikeseo
2020-03-15 02:48
like a travel arbitrage planning tool
mikeseo
2020-03-15 02:48
could add filters based on weather, food, internet, etc
mikeseo
2020-03-15 02:49
and if visa's are required based on my passports
ledrewy
2020-03-15 07:02
I use TripIt to manage all my flights and hotels
burrup.lambert
2020-03-15 18:43
Thanks, I was more so trying to target flag theory issues, not necessarily regular travel issues
burrup.lambert
2020-03-15 18:43
visas based on what passport you have is a good one though
mikeseo
2020-03-16 00:03
visas for passports isn't that great as a standalone service, it's easy to google "visa free for xx passport"
mikeseo
2020-03-16 00:03
the great thing would be putting all the travel necessities together
burrup.lambert
2020-03-16 01:25
Which necessities? As per your original post?
burrup.lambert
2020-03-16 01:26
I'm more thinking a tool 'that can assist someone who lives an international/flag theory lifestyle
mikeseo
2020-03-16 02:45
ya
mikeseo
2020-03-16 02:46
I'm not sure what tool would be useful directly for that, maybe to make sure you spend the minimum days every year to maintain residences?
mikeseo
2020-03-16 02:47
some kind of asset allocation tool showing how much gold you have stored in singapore, which bank accounts you have in eu, llc's in US?
mikeseo
2020-03-16 02:47
when annual fees are due?
mikeseo
2020-03-16 02:47
like gamify flag theory, how complete you are to achieving 5 flags
mikeseo
2020-03-16 02:48
but doesn't seem useful, I just put due dates in google calendar and keep track of banks/gold in excel
mikeseo
2020-03-16 02:49
what I really want is a tool that tells me where to go next, best city/flight/hotel
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burrup.lambert
2020-03-20 14:56
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/earn-it-bill-governments-not-so-secret-plan-scan-every-message-online
US Government trying to sneak through bills while COVID is happening.
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burrup.lambert
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burrup.lambert
2020-03-24 13:29
Some thoughts to consider.
michael
2020-03-25 05:34
Good article and food for though @burrup.lambert
michael
2020-03-25 05:39
Thank you
burrup.lambert
2020-03-25 13:56
Yep! Does make you think twice about second residencies and citizenship. And indeed what 'visa free travel' means in a situation like this, nothing.
burrup.lambert
2020-03-26 01:54
Crazy to think what citizenship means, or doesn't mean, nowadays. Australia just banned its own citizens from leaving the country and Argentina just banned its own citizens *entering* the country. It would seem in times like these you need to act quick with your Plan B permanent residence or citizenship that you might have, if you wait, it could be too late.
benjamin
2020-03-26 07:22
Definitely agree about a Plan B being needed.
One way around the banning of Australian citizens leaving is through overseas employment. From what I can see you're allowed to leave if you're employed overseas.
So starting a company in the country of choice and employing yourself may or may not work if you were extremely desperate to get out of AU.
michael
2020-03-26 08:18
Means, nada.
michael
2020-03-26 08:19
Important to have multiple residencies / citizenships. Gives you options.
burrup.lambert
2020-03-26 11:12
Indeed!
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michael
2020-04-06 04:35
Zoom, i'm amazed how many people use it.
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burrup.lambert
2020-04-13 18:03
Can anyone recommend a service provider that will look back through your family history for you? I have details up to my great grandparents but nothing before that. I'd much rather pay someone to do the leg work for me instead of searching databases, comparing records etc etc.
Surely a service like this exists? It would make it a lot easier to know your lineage and if you are eligible for any citizenships!
burrup.lambert
2020-04-13 18:10
Ah, turns out a genealogist is what I need!
burrup.lambert
2020-04-13 18:14
Sovereign Man has recommended http://www.heirsireland.com/ for Ireland, found it in an old alert.
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simon
2020-04-20 23:55
He's right, most of the current measures are overkill and are only causing widespread panic. I just came back from getting dinner at a nearby restaurant and had people cross to the other side of the street to avoid walking near me. One guy walking his dog was even wearing a medical-grade N95 mask (the turquoise ones). You'd think we are having an ebola pandemic...
tiagomdreganha
2020-04-21 00:09
Governments with severely underfunded/badly managed public health services were quite happy to instill the panic.
Portugal is a great example, economy is going to shit, public debt/gdp is going to raise to even higher levels but the government/media is making it seem like a miraculous group effort that we are all making to avoid mass deaths.
It also serves the left wing government well, they haven't done shit other than buying votes during the past years of economic growth - now they have an excuse as to why we'll be calling the WMF again in a couple of years
michal.opoka
2020-04-21 01:35
I have to disagree, just because some countries acted early and prevented major outbreaks it doesn't mean that they cannot happen and measures can be relaxed, Singapore is a good example where first they did great but got an outbreak later on
michal.opoka
2020-04-21 01:39
some measures might be overkill, but ultimately it's about keeping people in home
stolzlos
2020-04-21 07:41
could not agree more.
ggiampieri
2020-04-21 07:51
Agree, same Italy.. Let see if they open the country in 2 weeks. The economy damage is way worse than old ppl deaths
michal.opoka
2020-04-21 12:07
it's not old ppl vs economy, young people die too and economy would go down even without government lockdown, Sweden is a good example - no lockdown, deaths are much higher than in Norway/Denmark/Finland but revenue of cinemas etc.. has crashed https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110893/cinema-advertising-spending-before-and-after-the-coronavirus-outbreak-in-sweden/
omocha_10
2020-04-21 13:55
I still din?t get it. How is it possible that in a country with such poor higiene and slums where people live one over the other there are not millions of people infected/deaths.... Also, India is a Chinese neighbor
simon
2020-04-21 14:14
@omocha_10 Testing is key when it comes to finding cases and India has a very low testing rate per capita. As for deaths, the vast majority of people who die from COVID-19 are the elderly and those with severe pre-existing conditions. India, like many other developing countries, has a bottom heavy population pyramid and so even in the worst case scenario should have far fewer deaths than countries with top heavy pyramids like Italy.
michal.opoka
2020-04-21 17:11
@omocha_10 it all depends on how fast the virus can spread, without any social distancing it's about 1 person infecting 2.5 people on average in a week, India introduced some preventive measures early like travel bans in early February, Italy did not. But ultimately things can get much worse in India
redareda9
2020-04-22 04:47
In Vietnam, many people avoid you if you are foreigner. When I go to shopping in a mall, I had many cases where I see a local Vietnamese jumping when they see me and getting as far as possible from me.
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ivan.lakatos
2020-04-22 07:31
Hopefully that kind of behavior won't continue after the pandemic. Really hard to believe that people are suddenly afraid of the "white man" especially since the virus originated from China in the first place. This being said, "white people" have a bit of a responsibility as they're basically the only ones refraining from wearing a mask, which is really stupid too. Political figures like Trump, Bolsonaro, Macron etc don't make it better.
ivan.lakatos
2020-04-22 07:33
As well as Anutin in Thailand entertaining fear and indirectly encouraging people to look out for the "dirty farang" makes it worse too.. People are influencable, populism and nationalism is rising even faster now with this global panic, it's really scary.
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fenix5
2020-04-22 18:32
Did you guys read this? https://twitter.com/danaparish/status/1252953332450316289
fenix5
2020-04-22 18:32
Prof. Luc Montagnier (Won Nobel Price for his discovery of HIV virus)- ?This can?t be natural mutation of HIV, the only way was to have molecular lab tools. The fish market is a nice legend, but impossible, this bat virus was modified in the Wuhan lab.?
fenix5
2020-04-22 18:42
And I dissagree that this great lockdown doesn't make any diiference to economy. It is great excuse for governments. From now on they will blame everything, all debt crisis on virus. That's why they have to make it big and scary. And last long enough so people belive it is very dangerous.
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redareda9
2020-04-24 01:51
He won Nobel Prize but in the same time he is against vaccines, believe in DNA teleportation and water memory (they both have no scientific evidence at all)
ivan.lakatos
2020-04-24 03:20
Haha, exactly @redareda9
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gun
2020-04-30 22:48
Google Spreadsheets
gun
2020-04-30 22:50
I would be interested in a good country day counter with alerts before you break your tax- ad visa allowances. There is an app on the iphone but it's a bit clunky and doesn't track accurately
burrup.lambert
2020-05-01 17:48
Are SEO specialists/experts I can ask some questions too about hours per day people spend on a site and how that affects page rankings? Thanks!
danz
2020-05-01 18:51
I am doing SEO everyday and running tens of websites, sent me a pm if you have some SEO questions
paul_inkpen
2020-05-02 10:19
Would love someone?s view on this:
You are a UK freelancer and you work for a German agency (Company A) - all remote - email access everything from the UK.
You suddenly find out that the Agency has been invoicing clients from a completely different business (Company B) for years in another EU country not connected in a way to the agency.. You also discover shortly before being let go due ?to the Coronovirus? that your sent box has been tampered with, some emails deleted and suddenly a completely new company (a company C) appears on the invoice copy... So initially it was sent from an unknown EU company for services you have performed for the agency you have a contract with in Germany and then you see that suddenly the old invoice now has a 3rd and totally unknown new EU company on the invoice header....
Any thoughts on this?
paul_inkpen
2020-05-02 10:23
Same trading name and logos have been used to give the feeling of group branding but a different limited company in different EU countries used for invoicing regularly.
jase
2020-05-02 10:24
@burrup.lambert you can hit me up with seo questions too if you want. It's my life.
benjamin
2020-05-02 14:11
Speaking of SEO. Anyone use Cora by SEO Tool Lab? I used it for a month to get some data but couldn't justify the cost as I'm not heavily focused on SEO.
I don't think it's a well known software but seemed alright. Might be worth it for SEO dudes
simon
2020-05-02 20:58
@paul_inkpen Sounds dodgy. Have you looked on the local registries, to see who owns those companies?
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paul_inkpen
2020-05-02 21:27
HI @simon yes the same person who owns the company I actually HAD a contract with....
jerrycjchang
2020-05-03 04:10
What are some good places to spend 3-6 months in or around the Caribbean? Not looking for residency, more a place with decent infrastructure and culture and nature for a working holiday.
buynps.org
2020-05-03 08:00
Is it for tax residency or vacation?
jerrycjchang
2020-05-03 08:46
not for residency, but need to work from there so not exactly a vacation
simon
2020-05-04 02:36
@paul_inkpen It's hard to say but I reckon it's tax related (some dodgy avoidance scheme most likely, or VAT).
simon
2020-05-04 02:41
@jerrycjchang There are some very nice islands in the Bahamas, USVI / BVI are pretty nice too. If you don't mind the high cost of living, St Barts could also be an option. In any cases, I'd steer clear of the independent Caribbean islands as most have high crime rates and poor infrastructure.
paul_inkpen
2020-05-04 05:53
@simon absolutely. I think my contractor contract was terminated because I have picked up on this system of invoicing from multiple different entities using the same header and footer on invoices to suggest they are part of a trading group of companies when apart from the header and logo on the invoice and same owner there is actually no holding or business group connection to any of the companies.
I noticed that a group of emails in my sent box had been amended with one certainly having a completely new invoice attached with a 3rd company name which I had never heard of... The original invoice flagged up by the end client has since disappeared and that company dissolved.....
tiagomdreganha
2020-05-04 07:25
Maybe he rotates the companies to stay under the VAT registration threshold?
jase
2020-05-04 07:42
If anyone's interested in the covid situation in Andorra, here's the latest:
jase
2020-05-04 07:42
Needs translating
jase
2020-05-04 07:42
Basically today they begin testing most of the country for the virus.
jase
2020-05-04 07:43
There's imperfection in that it's voluntary but I find it interesting that things like this can be done in small countries.
paul_inkpen
2020-05-04 07:53
His company is a Germany Company and the various Companies that seem to appear on some invoices are in Austria..
Weird story where he has 3 children with 2 different women, lives with none and when in Germany - (since January he is a resident in Cyprus..) he lives in the office....
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maxsuur
2020-05-07 16:01
Any of you guys setting up Automations for clients using Integromat/Zapier?
tiagomdreganha
2020-05-07 16:17
Yep. I do Integromat consulting/set-up when I have free time from my main business.
maxsuur
2020-05-07 16:45
Nice man, I am thinking of doing the same
maxsuur
2020-05-07 16:45
Any tips?
tiagomdreganha
2020-05-07 16:59
If you don't have a source of clients already, I'd probably start with Zapier as it's way more main stream.
You should focus on one niche. I mostly do eCom stuff, so integration between services related with eCom.
burrup.lambert
2020-05-08 00:54
Georgia opening up in 5 weeks
burrup.lambert
2020-05-08 00:54
simon
2020-05-08 02:08
For those who want up to date country-specific information, regarding covid-19 and immigration, NewlandChase publishes an excellent daily report. You can read it here: https://blog.newlandchase.com/covid-19-latest-travel-and-immigration-disruptions
simon
2020-05-08 02:09
Here is today's report
albert
2020-05-08 02:17
@jerrycjchang
1. Cayman Islands, especially Camana Bay area, 2 bedroom is $6000 USD/month + utilities (~$500). Best to stay near Camana Bay area or SMB/SMB Corridor. http://Ecaytrade.com for rentals. VERY safe, very expensive. What you save in income taxes you will pay in cost of living.
2. Barbados, it has more of a Caribbean feel, a mix of CI and Bermuda. Loved shopping and eating here, best place to buy LV due to VAT refund.
3. Bermuda, not my favourite but I?d setup shop here if I needed easy access to New York/Toronto. Very Caribbean feel? tourists cannot rent cars so it?s weird.
Most of the islands are closed until end of May or longer.
jerrycjchang
2020-05-08 02:52
Thank you @albert !
jerrycjchang
2020-05-08 02:53
Safety is definitely a main concern but those look like interesting options
frederic.scheffer
2020-05-08 02:58
Hi Tiago, what kind of zaps/automations apart from the ones already suggested on zapier/integromat bring the highest value in your experience?
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frederic.scheffer
2020-05-08 07:54
@simon when will your blog automated bookkeeping be out?
frederic.scheffer
2020-05-08 07:56
Thats a great topic, costly and time consuming for many of us I guess!
tiagomdreganha
2020-05-08 08:05
It depends, there is stuff that is super custom. For instance, to export stuff from Portugal and not pay VAT a business needs to submit a eletronic export declaration for each shipment that goes out and see if it needs physical verification or not.
The system was designed to send XML files to an endpoint and grab the XML responses from another endpoint. All via a Desktop Java app.
I reverse engineered and moved the whole process to Integromat using a Google Sheets as an interface/listing.
Then you have small stuff like sending emails from your new orders to a Facebook audience, SMS triggers like shipment sent, new order, delivered...
I also automated the invoicing from WooCommerce to a PT Certified invoicing software.
Basically any services that have an API you can connect and build stuff on top of them using integromat, even if they don't have an official APP there you can use the HTTP module.
frederic.scheffer
2020-05-08 08:17
Well done!
maxsuur
2020-05-08 08:41
Thanks man
maxsuur
2020-05-08 11:30
Fantastic Simon, thanks
burrup.lambert
2020-05-08 11:33
Agreed, I went to click on it the other day!
simon
2020-05-09 02:33
I've been working on a number of new guides and articles, including the bookkeeping one, and should start releasing them in the coming weeks. With the pandemic I've had more free time for this.
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maxsuur
2020-05-10 15:59
Looking forward to!
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2020-05-16 14:31
@toby hit up these guys
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philippe
2020-06-02 09:56
^^
marziovit
2020-06-02 11:09
This is awesome!
redareda9
2020-06-02 12:11
It?s actually bullshit but still funny
burrup.lambert
2020-06-02 13:50
I've seen that story for years, I think about the same time I was looking at purchasing moon land.
https://www.lunarland.com/
marziovit
2020-06-02 13:52
@burrup.lambert any progress with your LLP problems?
burrup.lambert
2020-06-02 13:55
We are just ignoring Stripe support and proceeding. First need a Plivo UK number and then we will attempt to activate the account. TransferWise and surprisingly... Paypal UK... were very simple to set up. We are connecting to Paypal via a UK IP. It seems fine but I'm sure there is going to be a roadblock somewhere out of the blue like when we first try to withdraw funds, we shall see.
burrup.lambert
2020-06-02 13:57
We are also in the financial space and required a Legal Entity Identifier (LEI). Also very easy process, no details about owners/beneficiary. Only care where the company is incorporated. We used https://www.lei-manager.com/
marziovit
2020-06-02 15:11
@burrup.lambert let us know how it goes!
burrup.lambert
2020-06-02 21:23
How are people getting around using a "work" email for Plivo? Every email address I try says it must be a work email. Support is not helping...
marziovit
2020-06-02 21:47
They probably mean a non @gmail.com email address like
ggiampieri
2020-06-02 23:13
@burrup.lambert have a look at dingtone app, just download it. Much easier stuff compared to plivo
burrup.lambert
2020-06-02 23:54
That's the thing, we used our business domain and it didn't work, and support wanted 50000 answers. I even tried using a http://protonmail.ch address which is what I use for my PERSONAL account and it still didn't work! IIRC I had this problem when signing up with my personal account but I can't remember how I got around it.
burrup.lambert
2020-06-02 23:59
Thanks. I've had a look but I don't entirely trust a "free number". I'm reading the reviews now of people losing their number, losing their account etc. We want the number to be accessible by multiple parties too.
frederic.scheffer
2020-06-03 05:33
@burrup.lambert how did you set up your Director and Beneficiary residentil address for Paypal UK? It does not let me add a French address (only a UK address)
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burrup.lambert
2020-06-03 14:07
We just used the Registered Address for the owner as we had the same issue, the country couldn't be changed from the UK :man-tipping-hand:.
burrup.lambert
2020-06-03 14:08
Will see if it's an issue later.
frederic.scheffer
2020-06-03 14:49
Risky
burrup.lambert
2020-06-03 21:09
No other choice. Love to hear how other people are doing this for Paypal UK!
redareda9
2020-06-04 05:09
@frederic.scheffer @burrup.lambert You just need to call the Support and they will unlock the field to select a different country.
redareda9
2020-06-04 05:09
It?s a bit stupid they don?t provide the option by default
frederic.scheffer
2020-06-04 05:11
@redareda9 PayPal removed calls. You can only send message or chat. I did chat for 1 hour and had to print and send douments. No news for 10 days. I sent additional messages. No answer.
I have paid around 70 000? of PayPal fees and they can't even answer some messages.
The service is just appalling.
redareda9
2020-06-04 05:12
@frederic.scheffer Yeah that?s the problem now. Calling is removed from options. Maybe give a try by calling Paypal Ireland Phone Number
redareda9
2020-06-04 05:12
someone posted a reddit post containing that phone number
frederic.scheffer
2020-06-04 05:12
Good idea. Ill search for a number
redareda9
2020-06-04 05:13
+35 31 436 91 11
redareda9
2020-06-04 05:13
This
burrup.lambert
2020-06-04 18:16
Thanks @redareda9 We'll contact support and get the address changed so we don't get any issues in the future!
redareda9
2020-06-05 01:28
@burrup.lambert yeah I?m pretty sure that?s the reason I was banned + 180 days hold. I used the company registered address as my residence address.
Keep us informed if you manage to reach them
hello888
2020-06-06 13:59
I had so many issues with Paypal in the past (Including the 180 freezes), that looking their stock go up pisses me off more than Covid & quarantines. You're all invited to a Cruise party I will have when Paypal stocks goes down like Yahoo and it gets bought for pennies by Transferwise or some company that actually works.
marziovit
2020-06-06 14:42
I don't think this will happen anytime soon, they are de facto leaders in online payments.
omocha_10
2020-06-06 14:47
#godaddy Can?t believe they are getting revenue....
frederic.scheffer
2020-06-06 15:18
@hello888 @marziovit we are so many hating PayPal... I am thinking about shorting their stock
simon
2020-06-07 06:06
The problem with PayPal is that while pretty much every sellers hate them, the vast majority of buyers love them...
frederic.scheffer
2020-06-07 07:51
True
redareda9
2020-06-07 10:34
Especially Germans
redareda9
2020-06-07 10:34
They probably pray Paypal GOD every night
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toby
2020-06-26 20:48
@gun Thanks for the head up. I'll be in touch with them soon
maxsuur
2020-07-16 14:09
Who's familiar with QAnon? My mind is blown!
redareda9
2020-07-16 16:08
A plot against Trump and his supporters. I think the definition by itself is self-explanatory
omocha_10
2020-07-17 08:08
Sounds like a re-brand of stories that have been going around since the 60?s
burrup.lambert
2020-08-16 23:57
Thought I would post this here:
burrup.lambert
2020-08-16 23:58
Cost of Netflix in Argentina. Highest plan (without taxes): USD$3.60 (at current blue dollar exchange rate) or AUD$5
sterk
2020-09-14 16:47
Haha, very cool!
burrup.lambert
2020-09-15 01:48
Another social media / tech / privacy doco > https://www.netflix.com/ar-en/title/81254224
me1892
2020-09-15 08:47
+1 for that - really enjoyed it
chaostar
2020-09-21 21:40
Wow you're really into Argentina... Wanna trade citizenship? ;)
simon
2020-09-26 20:56
set the channel topic: Everything that doesn?t fit into the other channels
simon
2020-09-26 20:56
@simon has renamed the channel from "random" to "random-chat"
jason
2020-09-28 23:15
any other software devs here trying to build a location independent business? I've been developing a podcast app for the past 4 years, the first two years were slow and somewhat depressing but i've kept at it and things have really picked up this past year..
gastan
2020-09-29 21:05
@jason I am in DevOps, but I am not building anything. It just came with time... And when I got fired from my day job, I just cut down the costs and went on with my side jobs...
jason
2020-09-29 21:45
@gastan still working my day job at the same time, difficult but the covid situation is actually making it easier. The four hour work week had a lot of good ideas I employed.
gastan
2020-09-29 21:49
Yeah, 4HWW was good help for me too. Well, while u can cope with it, work multiple jobs, just to have a plan B.
You could also, possibly convert your day job to a contractor work and just do it remotely. Now a lot is done remotely. You could invoice your work on your own company and do the cost optimization by yourself...
jason
2020-09-29 22:36
yeah, that's the plan, if my own business doesn't work out by early 2023 I'll flip to remote contracting.
burrup.lambert
2020-10-01 21:21
https://www.mas.gov.sg/news/media-releases/2020/mas-directs-wirecard-to-cease-payment-services-in-singapore
Would post in Singapore channel but only about 40 people in there.
This means all APAC TenX cards have stopped working.
jason
2020-10-02 00:59
ouch!
danz
2020-10-02 10:18
I thought Tenx card was already gone for 2+ years, that previous CEO is a known scammer by now
philippe
2020-10-02 11:59
I?m in Prague if anyone wants to meet there
jason
2020-10-02 13:56
Stuck in Texas for the time being..
burrup.lambert
2020-10-02 15:07
Andddddd there goes MCO/Crypto.com
jason
2020-10-06 00:28
Reading the news that McAffee got picked up in Spain for unpaid taxes!
jason
2020-10-22 16:04
What economies are going to be the most welcoming to information workers with the lowest taxes 10 years from now? I think most western states are going to continue to decline, eastern europe looks promising though, any other bets?
mikeseo
2020-10-23 00:30
hearing some good things about tanzania
jason
2020-10-23 13:14
I know next to next to nothing about Tanzania.. what's going on there?
simon
2020-10-23 15:12
I know a guy who?s currently there and from what he told me, covid doesn?t exist in Tanzania. There?s no masks, restrictions etc.
simon
2020-10-23 15:13
Could be a good option if you want to spend winter somewhere ?normal?
maxsuur
2020-10-23 16:40
Yup. Covid has turned into a media-manufactured pandemic anyways...
mikeseo
2020-10-23 23:03
I haven't looked closely but I think the gov is doing some good things
hello888
2020-10-24 02:30
Did your friend needed any special vaccine or malaria pills for Tanzania?
simon
2020-10-24 08:01
Not that I know of.
bountybairn
2020-10-27 19:11
I got married there, not useful in the context of the OP, but just felt I had to chip in sorry
mb
2020-10-28 21:03
Lol
That company whose name used to contain HTML script tags Ltd - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24919710
marziovit
2020-10-30 09:00
I really like BC LLP, you can have a US bank account without dealing with IRS and all of the form reporting that could end up with a $25K fine if you forgot something. The register is public but you have to pay a fee with a UK LLP instead every information is public and searchable online.
marziovit
2020-10-30 09:03
@simon do you know if the BC LLP's partnership agreement has to be submitted to the register?
mb
2020-10-30 09:09
I also see some minor benefits for a BC LLP over a UK LLP, as @marziovit mentions, the register not being public by default and the fact you don't need to do yearly reports unless you have Canadian sourced income. @simon What are your thoughts here? Does it make a big difference for a consulting business?
marziovit
2020-10-30 09:34
@mb is my understanding that you only need to file an annual report for a BC LLP that doesn't have canadian sourced income.
simon
2020-10-30 12:42
@marziovit No, the agreement doesn?t have to be submitted.
@mb Unless you need the privacy, the BC LLP doesn?t offer any real advantages over the UK LLP and is more limiting in terms of payment processing, banking etc. It?s true that you don?t need to file a Canadian return if you have no local income but to be fair filing a nil return in the UK isn?t much of an issue either.
mb
2020-10-30 13:16
@simon Makes sense, thank you.
danz
2020-11-04 10:52
Anyone in Dubai? Interested to know how the current lockdown rules are there. Thinking of flying there since there won't be much happening in Europe till end of the year.
burrup.lambert
2020-11-07 22:54
mrchristiaanpieterse
2020-11-10 18:25
@burrup.lambert Haha yes because they need to get new tennants for the zillions of empty rental properties.
maxsuur
2020-11-11 12:22
What do you guys think about the so-called "Great Reset"?
mb
2020-11-11 12:40
I don't know about the exact definition. What I would at least expect is that during lockdowns, online shipping had a surge and this forced certain businesses to invest more in their online presence. Also lots of people working remote.
From that sense I can see smaller businesses being pushed to invest in their online presence/shopping, improve the customer experience etc.
For remote workers, perhaps companies experienced positive aspects of this, from a productivity/cost saving/employee happiness point of view (although will not work for all businesses obviously).
Otherwise, I can see government 'abuse' happening to push certain agenda's and there's a clear global effort by individual governments to launch a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC).
https://decrypt.co/45740/bahamas-launches-its-central-bank-digital-currency
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/09/central-banks-lay-out-a-framework-for-digital-currencies.html
Otherwise, back to business hopefully :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2020-11-16 11:23
For those of you who've read "The Sovereign Individual", this will be familiar:
Banana (pacient) in California. Surgeon in London.
https://twitter.com/JuanPabloLeone9/status/1328275673476177922
mb
2020-11-16 11:27
That's pretty cool. Lol @ first comment in Spanish "They could have removed the sticker, to make it look more serious" :smile:
maxsuur
2020-11-16 11:28
Perhaps it was sponsored by "Chiquita" lol
mb
2020-11-16 11:29
Who knows?? :slightly_smiling_face:
mb
2020-11-16 11:30
But pretty cool, considering that, before those professions weren't necessarily location independent.
mb
2020-11-16 11:30
Makes me think, that means a lot of professions can be turned into a location independent one.
maxsuur
2020-11-16 11:40
Huge boom soon. Alliteration intended.
mb
2020-11-16 11:41
I read it as if you were rapping it.
maxsuur
2020-11-16 20:20
haha. couldn't expect less from you, my man.
burrup.lambert
2020-11-19 19:55
Anyone had issues with Plivo numbers before? It seems my US number has been used previously. I receive the occasional call for people looking for "Francisco". I didn't think unrented numbers were released back to the public?
simon
2020-11-19 20:53
@burrup.lambert Twilio and Plivo numbers are kept inactive for two months then they are released back to the public. I imagine the same is also true with regular numbers from AT&T, Verizon etc.
simon
2020-11-19 20:54
Next time you get a call for Francisco, you can troll the caller and tell them you are Francisco or that you are his friend and can take a message for him! Maybe Francisco has an interesting story
burrup.lambert
2020-11-19 21:38
Well Plivo has confirmed they they do *not* rent out previously used numbers.
burrup.lambert
2020-11-19 21:39
Hopefully someone just got the contact information wrong!
simon
2020-11-19 21:44
Maybe they do not rent numbers previously used through their service but all numbers I?ve gotten through them and Twilio had previously been in use (I constantly get sms and calls). Same for my Google Fi number.
burrup.lambert
2020-11-19 21:59
Yes good point!
bobriakov.igor
2020-11-23 07:45
out of curiosity, have anyone measured their IQ level, and if yes, which results you've got?
bartek
2020-11-23 08:19
I'd do if you point me to some reliable set of tests
maxsuur
2020-11-23 09:31
I did it once via an online test on http://Mensa.dk Seemingly the most reliable of the internet. Anyways, never tested officially. Kind happy with the results. Glad to know I wasn't dumb (for the record).
bobriakov.igor
2020-11-23 09:46
I'm not sure how reliable, but it seems they all are pretty similar in methodology. There is some like - https://international-iq-test.com/en or https://www.theinternationaliqtest.com/
bobriakov.igor
2020-11-23 09:46
@maxsuur what was your IQ level results, if you care to share?
jason
2020-11-23 22:11
I haven't been tested but my kids have been, both took the WISC-IV test at a testing center..
ivan.lakatos
2020-11-26 06:41
Would like to hear from you guys. What are the easiest countries to travel to in Asia that doesn't require quarantine (or Air Bnb quarantine). What about the Caribbeans or other islands in general ? Has someone been travelling lately during these crazy times ?
omocha_10
2020-11-26 13:04
Hi Red, my experience crossing around 7 borders since March is that the only truth you find it when you cross the border, I?ve been told borders are closed, 14 mandatory quarantine needed and so on, and nothing happened.
Of course you cannot fo anywhere and not expect to never quarantine, but my experience was that embassies, consulates, goverment websites, were giving information that what not the same at the time of crossing the border.
I?ve been using the iata travel map as reference.
Hope this helps.
omocha_10
2020-11-26 13:04
bobriakov.igor
2020-11-26 20:18
spotted interesting video showing Tokyo of 1913-1915 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQAmZ_kR8S8
yaron.been
2020-11-27 08:00
Thank you for sharing @bobriakov.igor
Interesting stuff
danz
2020-11-28 10:36
@ivan.lakatos Bali is very easy right now, the only country I know that is easy and people are going to really. Thailand seems to make it more difficult. Rest of the countries are on lockdown mostly I believe.
candelamont
2020-11-28 10:38
Im in Bali, entered 20 days ago with a social visa i did with an agent. The visa lasts 60 days and can be extended 3 times
ivan.lakatos
2020-11-29 03:52
Thanks for the link as well as for your input. I'll dig more into it.
ivan.lakatos
2020-11-29 03:54
What were the conditions to actually enter Bali ? Did you have to go into quarantine once you arrived ? I'd be quite interested to hear more if you guys don't mind to elaborate a bit, especially about that social visa thing. @candelamont @danz I'm currently in Laos if that helps in any way.
michael
2020-11-29 14:00
A very random question... thinking about it... the only time i did one was to get into a school when i was my early teens...
michael
2020-11-29 14:01
Where have you been traveling to @omocha_10? I'm pretty jealous... haha... haven't traveled since January! Feels so long compared to my usual couple of weeks jetting around.
omocha_10
2020-11-29 17:46
Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, UK, Holland, Portugal, USA, Colombia, Argentina, Spain.
omocha_10
2020-11-29 17:46
:+1:
candelamont
2020-11-30 13:53
Just need to send your passport and a negative PCR test, pay the visa fee (460 usd or 6.5M IDR) and you should have your e-visa in about a week. You can then extend it every 60 days, until a total of 6 months. You cant leave the county tho or else you'll loose the permit.
michael
2020-11-30 14:59
That's a good list =D Happy that people like yourself and still getting around!
omocha_10
2020-11-30 15:14
There is lots of people moving around, lots of planes, buses crossing borders. Not as easy as pre corona, but still lots of opportunities to move around the globe :earth_asia:
danz
2020-11-30 15:44
I heard now from a friend that they denied someone for the first time, so things might have just changed. A friend who is in Nepal just applied for it through an agency and got the e-visa, has to fly to Jakarta first, do a test there, wait for the result in Jakarta and then can go to Bali on..I can update you when he will enter and let you know if anything changed.
bobriakov.igor
2020-12-01 12:44
how is the actual situation with COVID in Bali these days?
mt
2020-12-01 12:44
Chill! Not many if any restrictions any more. Wear masks in some places, some temperature checks. That?s it
mt
2020-12-01 12:45
Haven?t heard of a person within my friends or friends of friends getting COVID in over a month
ivan.lakatos
2020-12-02 03:50
That's good to hear Candela, thanks. @candelamont Would you mind sharing the agent you used by PM ?
ivan.lakatos
2020-12-02 03:50
Thanks for info @danz Would be great to hear more about your friend's situation indeed. Cheers.
maxsuur
2020-12-03 08:32
Hey guys, what tools do you use for sharing passwords with your teams?
nikolay
2020-12-03 10:16
1Password
tobievandyk
2020-12-03 10:40
LastPass
danz
2020-12-03 16:32
Keeper
yaron.been
2020-12-03 17:36
Lastpass
burrup.lambert
2020-12-03 18:08
BitWarden.
maxsuur
2020-12-03 22:26
1Password and Bitwarden have paid options for teams as far as I know. Any of you using some of them for free?
burrup.lambert
2020-12-03 23:54
Yes. Using BW for a 2 man team. Works fine, we only use one collection. Don't need any of the benefits of paid (for now). TOTP would be nice, and maybe the encrypted file storage but we use separate services for those atm.
maxsuur
2020-12-04 07:40
Thanks Burrup. Will try Bitwarden Organizations then. Looks promising.
koshis
2020-12-06 04:24
Are you able to share the agents details if you reccomend them. Thx
mb
2020-12-08 16:24
"Amazon buys Cyprus" :smile:
buynps.org
2020-12-09 15:26
so messed up
buynps.org
2020-12-09 15:26
so they just take 5% of your networth?
alex720
2020-12-09 15:39
Yeah over 5 years apparently @buynps.org
alex720
2020-12-09 15:39
I think many countries will do this
alex720
2020-12-09 15:40
It is already accepted since most rich people have their wealth in property which is taxed
alex720
2020-12-09 15:40
Property tax
alex720
2020-12-09 15:40
Wealth tax is not really anything new :/ it will probably pass in most countries
buynps.org
2020-12-09 15:43
woww
michael
2020-12-10 14:30
Same thoughts @alex720 =/
where else are they going to get the funds? lol.
stolzlos
2020-12-10 18:02
how about printing it? Wealth tax is just a publicity stunt for the populace.
michael
2020-12-12 14:56
I wouldn't say it's a stunt... it does get implemented.
stolzlos
2020-12-12 15:03
does it? I have a hard time believing that raising any taxes is a viable strategy for any government right now.
stolzlos
2020-12-12 15:08
Covid is *the* opportunity a lot of governments have been waiting for to get rid of the shackles of deficit spending. Why rely in the burdensome and unpopular (classic) approach of raising taxes when you can simply spend whatever you want while the people are cheering all the way?
stolzlos
2020-12-12 15:11
May get a bit off topic now but taxes are not for funding government but for control. If you raise CGT then you would want to signal to people to put their effort elsewhere. But how could they justify that after lowering interest rates so much that they are negative? Not that I would put it beyond them but it would make people who desperately try to generate some yield pretty angry.
burrup.lambert
2020-12-12 22:37
Zodiac 340 cypher cracked. Watch second video for the guys actual channel and how they found it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f2Z3olILxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1oQLPRE21o&feature=emb_logo
maxsuur
2020-12-14 20:12
SFBW19 - The Pseudonymous Economy - Balaji Srinivasan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dur918GqDIw&feature=youtu.be
hello888
2020-12-16 19:46
Ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w
hello888
2020-12-16 19:47
Just a couple of papers related to the above video
? https://osf.io/wx3zn/
? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7709596/
danz
2020-12-17 10:27
@ivan.lakatos My friend arrived in the last 10 days or so, everything went smooth he said, all fine in Bali.
bountybairn
2020-12-18 10:53
This could be a big deal if the data stacks up
hello888
2020-12-18 11:39
Unfortunately, the data won't stack up (for the public at least), because they want to vaccinate you at whatever cost, regardless of what other cures might found, so I bet you will be mostly hearing "good results" in the news about the vaccine, unless you follow alternative news sources.
gun
2021-01-02 07:41
This is a pretty fun game... you randomly get dropped into Google Street View and you have to guess where in the world you are:
https://www.geoguessr.com/
toby
2021-01-04 10:13
Anyone hanging out in Bali right now and down to grab a beer somewhere around Canggu? Always looking to connect with new peeps and talk taxes/residency/and general marketing / biz strategies :beers:
rtiagm
2021-01-09 07:49
Does anyone here currently uses Sendy for newsletters?
mohd
2021-01-09 10:09
yes @rtiagm, what do you need?
rtiagm
2021-01-09 11:13
@mohd I built a similar tool and I'm looking for someone with Sendy experience to provide feedback. Would you be interested in doing that?
maxsuur
2021-01-09 11:47
hey rtm. I do use it too. I'd love to give you feedback as well. DM me.
rtiagm
2021-01-09 12:56
thanks @maxsuur I will let you know when it's ready for testing. I'm preparing the demo now.
yuli
2021-01-20 23:53
I'll be hanging out in Sedona, AZ for the next 3.5 months until end of April - if anyone is in town during this period, let me know, will be happy to connect!
jase
2021-01-31 12:37
Have used it. Its great but be sure its worth the management overhead.
burrup.lambert
2021-02-01 04:28
Anyone else know of other countries where you can get a passport in *15 minutes at the airport*?
I forgot about this. I was at the airport one time with an Argentinian friend and they pointed this out.
je
2021-02-01 12:14
As a citizen of the country in question? I was able to get a temporary passport at the airport (or rather, a short distance from it) in Sweden, for a fee of $200-$250 or so, when I had forgot mine at home before a flight. Made it to the flight right before it was about to depart.
ouafouaf
2021-02-09 02:32
Thought it would be cool to share this video about the growing worldwide network : Hope this game changer device will become availaible in many many places :earth_africa::earth_americas::earth_asia: out of can/usa next in 22 ! :rocket::rocket::rocket:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-nQOIZ1IwY&t=2
maxsuur
2021-02-09 11:36
Def looking forward to it
michael
2021-02-15 13:16
Wasn't sure where to post this. Does anyone have a good virtual office / mail box provider in Bangkok, Thailand? I used to have one that I thought was decent but I realised after several phone calls from my bank that they closed down without telling me and taking my mail too!
taylorwalkerllc
2021-02-16 04:14
Following
burrup.lambert
2021-02-17 02:51
Request for Expedited Federal Investigation Into Scientific Fraud in Public Health Policies
burrup.lambert
2021-02-17 02:52
Basically how COVID was orchestrated by China.
yaron.been
2021-02-17 11:11
Is anybody here a friend in a paid mastermind about business, marketing or e-commerce and finds it valuable?
tiagomdreganha
2021-02-17 11:32
eCommerceFuel for general ecommerce and CTC for paid ads (Facebook/insta mostly)
michael
2021-02-17 13:42
Who stopped replying.
michael
2021-02-17 13:44
Anyways, I am leaning towards paying a bit more for maybe the likes of a more international brand, like regus etc.... for the 'safety'?
ben
2021-02-17 21:52
Where did you come across this originally? Just gave it a read and it is pretty convincing that lockdowns are BS
hello888
2021-02-17 22:39
yaron.been
2021-02-18 08:48
Thank you @tiagomdreganha
Can you elaborate a bit about the value you're getting there?
Have you tried other mastermind which you didn't like?
burrup.lambert
2021-02-18 17:30
Sanjeev Sabhlok, economist in the Victoria Treasury department. Resigned in September, wrote a book about the totalitarian response of the Victorian (and Australian) government in response to COVID.
burrup.lambert
2021-02-18 17:31
burrup.lambert
2021-02-18 17:31
The two news articles (in pdf as they are behind a paywall).
burrup.lambert
2021-02-18 17:33
Basically the Australian Government has violated the *https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2017C00303*https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2017C00303*https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2017C00303*https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2017C00303 which details the EXACT scenario of COVID and what to do, which is *not* keeping their citizens prisoner in their own country and enforcing totalitarian lock downs.
burrup.lambert
2021-02-18 17:34
Make up your own mind I guess :man-tipping-hand:.
omocha_10
2021-02-18 17:54
But... how do people get the virus?
simon
2021-02-18 18:22
@omocha_10 I think his point isn?t that the virus isn?t real (it is real) but that it isn?t deadly enough to justify the current restrictions (and the public histeria). We didn?t even had such measures back during the ebola outbreak in 2014 and ebola is extremely dangerous, some strains kill 90+% of infected.
simon
2021-02-18 18:22
I guess it doesn?t really matter at this point because the harm has already been done though
kuka
2021-02-18 21:09
Yeah, totally! I spent most of my life in a previously soviet country and it?s really puzzling to see how democratic societies have been giving away their freedoms.
maxsuur
2021-02-19 07:38
I've been following Ivo Cummins on Twitter for the past year, and the guy has been saying it all along.
omocha_10
2021-02-19 11:12
For sure the virus is real, I know for first hand people getting it and friends working in the health front line every day.
I can understand people saying in the west about loss of freedom, but think about China, URSS, Germany last century, Spanish and Portuguese speaking latin America, the Arab world.
At least in relative terms the ?free west? can be understood or appreciated a lot.
kastroshina1
2021-02-23 05:46
Hi everyone,
I'm in Dubai atm, I just met Simon, a really funny guy.:joy: I want to leave Dubai, however, I don't know where?
I want to go to somewhere where the covid rules are not so strict, somewhere warm, coworking spaces or good internet for me to work for a couple of months. ( I just came from South- America, it's my favorite continent, but it cost me too much to go back flying again.
Any ideas?
buynps.org
2021-02-23 06:04
@kastroshina1 playa del carmen :slightly_smiling_face:
mb
2021-02-23 08:16
Also Florida :slightly_smiling_face:
arthurmarie1991
2021-02-23 13:56
Mexico :taco:
arthurmarie1991
2021-02-23 13:56
Playa del Carmen atm but going to Sayulita for march
danz
2021-02-23 14:27
Also in Playa del Carmen, can recommend Mexico in general now.
danz
2021-02-23 14:27
@arthurmarie1991 @buynps.org Playa meet up?
buynps.org
2021-02-23 14:36
already left @danz :smile:
danz
2021-02-23 14:59
Haha, to quick
bobriakov.igor
2021-02-23 16:52
Egypt in all inclusive resort?
omocha_10
2021-02-23 18:13
For what I?ve seen the n social media people are going to Mexico, also Zanzibar Tanzania.
mohd
2021-02-23 18:22
or assume some film making role and come to New Zealand :slightly_smiling_face:
umesh.desai
2021-02-23 20:27
I'm new here. I'm in Mexico, PDC specifically, and it's true, there's new digital nomads, remote workers, and people who have been told they have to stay at home and are not allowed to work arriving here daily
kuka
2021-02-23 20:44
How good is PDC for a family with a lil' kid? Never been to Mexico.
umesh.desai
2021-02-23 20:49
there's quite a few families here with kids - there's a lot of expats here who live here permanently, though while there are activities they can take part in, especially on the water sports side, unless they speak spanish, it's going to be tough for them to make friends
arthurmarie1991
2021-02-25 02:21
go ! We leave march the 4th
ambroise.debret
2021-02-25 04:08
:thumbsup:
ladislasmaurice
2021-02-25 07:45
I?m in Ukraine now. Bars and restaurants are open.
sergiy.shlykov
2021-02-25 08:41
yeah, it is pretty lax here now. up for a meetup in Kyiv?
omocha_10
2021-02-25 10:09
Hi, been considering going to Bukovel, Ukranian alps. Was it easy to enter the country?
sergiy.shlykov
2021-02-25 12:16
regarding Bukovel: covid cases skyrocketed after a rather busy skiing season this year, the govt has imposed a soft lockdown in the region where Bukovel is. Not sure if they are going to close up the resort itself. It is not likely, although possible. public transport works, but the area has become a red zone just a couple of days ago(closed bars, restos, police checks symptoms randomly)
omocha_10
2021-02-25 23:14
Thanks :pray:
kastroshina1
2021-02-27 05:29
Thanks guys for the tip, I just came from PDC, spend there 10 months lol. Maybe Egypt in a resort might be a good idea, is the wifi good there? How's Zanzibar?
ladislasmaurice
2021-02-27 08:16
I?m in Ukraine now. Spent the night bar hopping. Good fun!
mich_cello
2021-02-27 15:10
no covid there, right?
bountybairn
2021-02-28 10:20
Someone should tell the Germans there is no Covid there if thats the case! :thinking_face:
bountybairn
2021-02-28 10:25
I got married in Zanzibar, internet was pretty limited back then (2012) though there was reasonable 3/4G coverage for mobile data. All the good hotels had broadband that we were aware of, no idea how realistic it would be if you had your own place. Its very basic infrastructure.
Sea though was warmest I've ever been in, like a bath tub. On the east coast of the island there is stretch of shoreline about 1KM into the sea you can walk at low tide. At the end you literally stand and see fantastic reef. Pretty amazing. Big on diving round that area as well.
michael
2021-02-28 13:42
I'm quite jealous you went bar hopping! HAHA... in SE Asia... bars aren't really happening at the moment.
bobriakov.igor
2021-03-01 09:03
who else in Kyiv these days, maybe we could organize meetup indeed, as @sergiy.shlykov suggested above ^?
michael
2021-03-01 14:34
ggiampieri
2021-03-01 15:38
@rtiagm you are building an email tool, @maxsuur you already use Sendy. Considering the switch from a paid platform, how to deal with abandoned cart emails? Workflows seems similar to do. Pros/cons? Thanks
tiagomdreganha
2021-03-01 16:13
Currently in Puerto Escondido Mexico, alcohol sales stop at 10pm but other than that all is good and free here.
For comparison, my area of residence in Portugal has 30 active cases in 30.000 people and everything is still closed, schools, gyms, restaurants, caffes, 101 how to destroy an economy.
jase
2021-03-01 16:57
beginning to realise i'm living in a bubble
jase
2021-03-01 16:57
skiing when i want, going to the gym (gotta wear a mask, but otherwise all open), my son goes ot school, bars/cafes open
simon
2021-03-01 17:53
Same here in Dubai, everything is open and things are mostly normal (masks being the exception)
kuka
2021-03-01 19:42
How is it for those who don?t speak a lick of Spanish?
ben659
2021-03-02 03:13
For those interested, Panama City has been steadily re-opening. Curfew is now 10pm mid-week, and the total lockdown on weekends is lifted as of this coming weekend. Still more restricted than other places, but things are much more bearable and people seem to be enjoying life again. However, I wouldn?t put it past the government to shut everything down again without much warning.
bobriakov.igor
2021-03-02 08:37
guys, does anyone have experienced some kind of culture shock when going back to your home country after extended periods abroad?
I realized there is even a term for that - being "reverse culture shock"
yaron.been
2021-03-02 09:00
Haha I'm glad to hear there's a definition for this.
I can certainly relate to your feelings.
sergiy.shlykov
2021-03-02 09:00
Yeah, this defo happened to me when I came back to Ukraine for an extended period after having lived abroad for ±10 years. A bit of an adjustment :slightly_smiling_face:
stolzlos
2021-03-02 09:11
I already have a culture shock and I am not even gone yet
mich_cello
2021-03-02 10:09
I have each time I go back to Italy, even after 2 weeks out. Hate it
jase
2021-03-02 10:53
I don't think it's much of a culture shock not but definitely a reality check. First week or two everyone wants to catch up. After that you are old news and nobody has time. Everyone I know back in Australia is sooooooo busy.
danz
2021-03-02 14:31
Definitely can relate to this, maybe not as much a culture shock, but hard to fit in
michael
2021-03-02 15:24
Sounds like a good bubble to be in right now!
michael
2021-03-02 15:25
Yeah was talking to a friend of mine. He moved from UK to Dubai during Q1 last year... said it was the best decision of his life. Said pretty much of less everything is business as usual.
bobriakov.igor
2021-03-02 15:47
@sergiy.shlykov whereabouts abroad have you lived?
bobriakov.igor
2021-03-02 15:51
the weird thing about this reverse culture shock is that people back home suppose everything should be normal to you, but after living in another environment, going back everything feels as a weird mix of old familiar stuff, but still way too different than before
omocha_10
2021-03-04 18:04
Been the last month in the Polish alps, quite nice, slopes are open, shops too, but bars and restaurantes only take away.
I?ve been considering going to check Bukovel in the Ukrainian alps, everything seems to be normal in UA and Russia, bars and restaurantes open, thought Russia is closed for most nations...
bountybairn
2021-03-05 06:22
Everything is open n Cyprus apart from Bars and Restaurants which are takeaway, word is that everything will be open by the end of month (16th March has been suggested) will be great to get out for a beer again when the time comes. Folks in the UK look to have a much longer path out than everywhere else.
loan
2021-03-05 08:53
Bars and restaurants have re-opened in Bulgaria. There are amazing food and cocktails in Sofia for those who are interested. Slopes about to close for the season with temperatures going up, but the country is worth visiting right now.
michael
2021-03-05 13:57
Great to read about these country restriction updates!
d.mikocionis
2021-03-06 15:06
Hey guys. I'm living in Mexico for a while already, but looking for another place to move to. All is amazing down here, but the thing I'm missing is - networking with entrepreneurs. I guess it's a city thing, so I'm looking for a city that would have easy access to nature. Would possibly want to live 30-40mins outside of the city center.
Also looking for great weather year around.
So far, I've got Lisbon on my list. Has anyone lived there?
russ7
2021-03-06 15:14
I haven?t been there, but I hear good things about the entrepreneur community and weather in Medellin
danz
2021-03-06 23:31
@d.mikocionis Which city are you? Cause I am in Mexico and this is probably the place where most remote workers are at any moment in the world, but it depends which city you are I guess. In Playa you literally have meet-ups every day of the week, met tons of entrepreneurs here the last few weeks.
maxsuur
2021-03-06 23:37
How's the mask situation now in Playa @danz?
danz
2021-03-07 00:20
@maxsuur I would say almost non-existent. You just wear it to get in a restaurant for one second and put it off, but even most restaurants don't care anymore if you walk in without. Life's been normal here, there are parties, meet-ups with tens of people, gyms open etc.
klaus
2021-03-07 08:15
I spent 3 weeks in Lisbon with two entrepreneurs, who are also close personal friends, and we really liked it. We lived in a combined co-working/co-living space, and it was great. Loved the place. Great food, pretty cheap, lots of expats with interesting business and jobs.
klaus
2021-03-07 08:17
I am looking to move to Barcelona in the autumn, when this COVID thing is hopefully more manageable, where I will join up with the same two friends. I spent 3-4 months living and working there and I really liked it, but if my friends were in Lisbon or Madrid instead, I would go there.
maxsuur
2021-03-07 10:31
I was there in 2014 and loved it. Though, the heat was somewhat insufferable. But the atmosphere was incredible. Still longing for a comeback :slightly_smiling_face: It's great to hear that all in all things resemble some sort of normalcy
d.mikocionis
2021-03-08 01:00
I'm in Oaxaca de Juarez
d.mikocionis
2021-03-08 01:00
yup, I know Playa is really good. maybe should be thinking relocating there instead :smile:
d.mikocionis
2021-03-08 01:01
Yup, lived in both Madrid & Barcelona. Preferred Madrid too (but I was going out a lot back then haha) , but Lisbon now would be more interesting. Did you stay in the city? I was thinking trying to find a village where to live outside of Lisbon & just travel there if I ever need to
danz
2021-03-08 03:16
Nice city, but I agree, very small community of entrepeneurs there..I might come by there in like 2 months for a short trip.
d.mikocionis
2021-03-08 16:43
Hit me up when you're here! :slightly_smiling_face:
maxsuur
2021-03-09 11:44
Has anyone managed to secure a Spotify Premium Account at a steep discount using any of the workarounds mentioned here?
omocha_10
2021-03-09 11:52
Lisbon is good, and you can live 30 min by train in Cascais, where many expats and DN are based, it is bu the sea, next to a national park. Lots of flight connections too, and a few hours from Porto and Madrid.
burrup.lambert
2021-03-09 12:06
If you can't you can always pool a family account together with friends.
danz
2021-03-09 13:31
I have it by using details in MX and a card from there, seems to be like ?4 a month now for me I believe
maxsuur
2021-03-09 21:28
I was thinking about it
maxsuur
2021-03-09 21:28
I still have a Mexican Bank Account, so I may pull the trigger...
simon
2021-03-10 12:44
@hello888 I remove all the posts related to covid that are not strictly practical in nature (travel requirements, availability of vaccines etc) as this isn?t the place to discuss theories.
hello888
2021-03-10 12:56
haha,
Soon most countries will push for the Digital-Green passport, which requires vaccination if you want travel, you will need this, but according to you this isn't related?
Vaccine safety isn't related?
I need to have a "fake" PCR test for 100 Euro every few a months for moving around, but that's "not related"?
The only real conspiracy theory here is that (1) Vaccines are safe and (2) There is a virus with a high mortality rate, and (3) somehow lockdowns and mask are improving the situation.
Did you even watch the videos?
michal.opoka
2021-03-10 13:02
@hello888 assuming you are 100% right, what does it change? regulations are 100% real and we got to live with them
simon
2021-03-10 13:04
Exactly. It doesn?t matter what we think about vaccines and PCR tests, they are a reality we have to live with
simon
2021-03-10 13:04
Besides, why would you pay 100? for a fake test? Real ones are cheaper
hello888
2021-03-10 13:07
I believe even 1 person can change the regulations, no matter how small or big you are, we have more power than we think if we organize against these bullies, but killing the discussion like Simon/Facebook/Google/Main Stream media are doing as much as they can, it simply gives more truth/force to the fake/official narrative.
I buy the official PCR test for 70-120 EUR, but the test itself is fake, so I call it fake, because it's unable to detect anything, if it can detect "everything" depending on how they use it.
michal.opoka
2021-03-10 13:08
no you can't change regulations
alexbadaoui1
2021-03-10 13:12
There are a lot of polarizing opinions on covid, government regualtions etc.
I am not sure what a group of 831 decentralized non-policy makers can do about it.
Probably best just to chill and do some work
michal.opoka
2021-03-10 13:15
like pretty much everyone here would love to get rid of income tax, but can we do it? nope
hello888
2021-03-10 13:22
haha, ok guys, I guess I think bigger, I have my own networks, so I don't see myself as just "1" random person here with no power, and I believe freedom is much more important than "income tax", so yeah, I'm doing something about, and I plan to do a lot more about it in 2021, not just complaining in a slack group.
michal.opoka
2021-03-10 13:28
well good luck then, from my experience you can't change the system, you just need to find the ways around it and hope that it will collapse one day
maxsuur
2021-03-10 17:06
Honestly, the biggest force I see nowadays that have the potential to tumble the system is crypto. "The Sovereign Individual" book, many times discussed here, comes to mind.
d.mikocionis
2021-03-12 00:23
@omocha_10 are you currently there by any chance?
ben659
2021-03-12 03:44
I foresee crypto tumbling the system by making its way onto everyone?s balance sheets, and then, ironically, crashing itself, thereby bringing everything down with it.
michael
2021-03-12 10:55
Funny enough was talking to a friend about this the other day.
ben659
2021-03-12 20:27
Exact same thought?
omocha_10
2021-03-13 12:14
No.
omocha_10
2021-03-13 12:23
Hi, could you explain how would this happen?
mich_cello
2021-03-13 16:17
whoever is putting a large amount of his assets in high risk ?investments? deserves to go down
ben659
2021-03-13 21:03
If everything is exposed to crypto then a price crash would be catastrophic even for those who try to steer clear of it. Think about sovereign wealth funds and pension funds who are invested in Tesla who is invested in Bitcoin, then the average pensioner who didn?t even touch Bitcoin stands to be greatly harmed.
ben659
2021-03-13 21:05
A crash in something without tangible value can happen very quickly. But given the current hype I think it?s still a while off
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 00:18
What has tangible value? Stocks? Bonds? Baseball cards? Sneakers?
ben659
2021-03-14 02:41
Haha let?s not get into this debate
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 02:44
I?m just curious because it?s the description you used, but I don?t see the relevance to how it might trade
ben659
2021-03-14 02:48
Well with stocks you can at least analyse a business and try to establish what a fair value should be per share, regardless of whether market psychology results in it being traded near that price. Unless the company goes bust, it?s unlikely that a stock will just drop to zero
ben659
2021-03-14 02:49
Whereas with Bitcoin, its price seems to rely purely on the psychological factor that people want to hold that particular crypto. I could just create an exact copy and call it Bencoin. Bencoin would only be worth $0 and Bitcoin worth $60,000 because people have faith in the brand of Bitcoin and have never heard of Bencoin
ben659
2021-03-14 02:51
I find it hard to have confidence in the future value of an asset that only really exists in a metaphysical sense. Not to mention that it?s far from even being the best at what it does
ben659
2021-03-14 02:54
Having said that, I still have investments in crypto, because I think that other people will continue to ascribe these things value for a while to come.
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:20
Stocks also only exist in an abstract way. Stocks are not businesses, you don?t get to claim any of Apple?s assets just because you own a stock. At best you get some dividends and even that is not guaranteed and up to their discretion. It has trillions in market cap because of its brand
ben659
2021-03-14 03:21
Sure, but Apple isn?t worth zero even after you strip away the brand factor
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:21
Like you said, bencoin would be worth zero precisely because bitcoin has that brand and it doesn't. I think that?s an example of bitcoins value rather than an example against
ben659
2021-03-14 03:21
Stocks are an abstraction, but you own a share of that business when you own stock
ben659
2021-03-14 03:22
So we?re agreed that Bitcoin?s value is 100% brand
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:22
It?s not
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:23
But certainly a large part of it is
ben659
2021-03-14 03:23
But Bencoin?s value is $0
ben659
2021-03-14 03:23
And the only thing that differentiates the two is brand
ben659
2021-03-14 03:23
Their utility is the same
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:23
Not really. Bitcoin is the first of its kind. Bencoin isn?t
ben659
2021-03-14 03:24
So brand + novelty?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:24
I wouldn?t call an invention novelty
ben659
2021-03-14 03:24
Doesn?t it matter more that other coins can do it better, even if they didn?t do it first?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:25
Has a decentralised computer network utilising cryptography that allows ownership and transfer of value existed before bitcoin?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:25
MySpace was doing social networking before Facebook
ben659
2021-03-14 03:25
Sure, but why does the fact that it was the first have any implication on its value, beyond the effect being the first has on its brand?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:27
If I painted Mona Lisa again and if it was indistinguishable to even experts, would it have the same value as the original?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:27
Would you pay the same price
ben659
2021-03-14 03:27
We wouldn?t be able to differentiate the two to know which were truly the original
ben659
2021-03-14 03:28
How do I know you?re selling me the ?original??
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:28
We would. Museums can establish the provenance
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:28
I?m not talking about faking it. I?m talking about a case in which you still know which one is the original and which one is the copy
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:29
Why would the copy be worth the same thing even if I used the exact same canvas and paint
ben659
2021-03-14 03:30
There can never be something ?better? than the Mona Lisa
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:30
You didn?t say bencoin was better. You said it was a copy
ben659
2021-03-14 03:30
Why would I keep using XHTML when I can use HTML5?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:31
It?s important, because the Mona Lisa can?t lose all it?s utility when something less flawed comes along
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:31
Because money requires faith and confidence. Why is the global reserve currency USD and not Euro? Or Yen? Or any other currency
ben659
2021-03-14 03:32
Yeah, I?m not pro-fiat
ben659
2021-03-14 03:32
But I think Bitcoin is the same or worse
ben659
2021-03-14 03:32
UPXAU is pretty close
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:32
It is
ben659
2021-03-14 03:32
To something decent
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:32
It?s a non governmental alternative
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:33
I?m not a bitcoin maximalist by any means. Just saying that the fact that it captures imagination is part of its value
ben659
2021-03-14 03:34
OK, agreed with you on that
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:34
It?s technology but it?s not just technology. So just because something is better or faster is not that relevant to its own case
ben659
2021-03-14 03:34
Yeah, there are metaphysical and philosophical* elements here
ben659
2021-03-14 03:35
But when something more efficient becomes well known enough, I think people can lose their fetish for Bitcoin pretty quickly
ben659
2021-03-14 03:36
Maybe I?m wrong - perhaps they?ll hold on to it and value it highly for the emotional tie
ben659
2021-03-14 03:36
But I still feel it?s unlikely to hold a high price on that basis
ben659
2021-03-14 03:36
In fact
ben659
2021-03-14 03:36
At a low price, I think people would feel a lot less excitement about it
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:36
That?s been said for years, so far the fact that it?s the first and existed for this long just keep strengthening its case
ben659
2021-03-14 03:36
Perhaps even disdain
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:37
Lindy effect is strong
ben659
2021-03-14 03:38
Heh
ben659
2021-03-14 03:38
10 years of Bitcoin
ben659
2021-03-14 03:38
I prefer precious metals
ben659
2021-03-14 03:38
But I hold some crypto for speculation
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:38
Ethereum gets plenty of attention these days and in many ways it?s better. But it?s also different and unlikely to replace bitcoin
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:39
That?s longer than any other digital currency
ben659
2021-03-14 03:39
What about intrinsic issues with the tech
ben659
2021-03-14 03:39
51% attack, proof of work, etc
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:40
What about it? Has anyone carried it out successfully?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:40
And what about PoW?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:40
Nope, but don?t you think it compromises it?s potential to hold value into the future?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:42
Also, do you think people will hold onto their Facebook account even if a better network comes along and become more popular?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:42
I think when it comes to tech people will just jump ship pretty quickly
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:42
It?s a risk certainly but what is a risk less investment?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:42
It?s about degree of risk
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:43
Ok to what degree are you concerned about 51% attack?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:43
Gold would never go to zero, for instance
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:43
Compared to say, an asteroid made of solid gold crashing through the atmosphere
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:43
Neither will bitcoin
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:43
It could crash, it?s not going to zero
ben659
2021-03-14 03:43
Bitcoin _could_ go to zero
ben659
2021-03-14 03:44
Not hard to imagine
ben659
2021-03-14 03:44
I?m not saying I know if definitely will
ben659
2021-03-14 03:44
But it?s entirely possible
ben659
2021-03-14 03:44
With gold, I would say it?s close to impossilbe
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:45
What if someone invented a chemical process that could produce gold?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:45
A pure element?
ben659
2021-03-14 03:45
Alchemists have been trying for a while :joy:
ben659
2021-03-14 03:46
Imagine this - Amazon makes Ethereum their main coin
ben659
2021-03-14 03:46
And starts accepting it as payment
ben659
2021-03-14 03:46
Then Ethereum catches on
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:46
So have people been trying 51% attacks...
ben659
2021-03-14 03:46
Lots of people decide to use Ethereum
ben659
2021-03-14 03:46
And it becomes a widely used means of payment
ben659
2021-03-14 03:46
Would people still want to hold their bitcoin?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:46
It?s just make bitcoin more valuable
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:47
Because it?s not for payment
ben659
2021-03-14 03:47
Store of ?value??
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:47
Yes, until proven otherwise. Like everything
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:48
You argue against bitcoin because it shouldn?t have any value just because it was first. But do you realise that gold is simply a product of technology that came a few thousand years before
ben659
2021-03-14 03:49
Why not just store value in Ethereum?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:49
Why gold? Why not silver?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:49
Or copper? What about diamonds?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:50
Gold has its own narrative and that?s what gave it value
ben659
2021-03-14 03:50
They all have unique properties and degrees of scarcity
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:50
Likewise for bitcoin or any other coin
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:51
By the way I am not arguing against that it has a ?narrative? or that it might be a bubble
ben659
2021-03-14 03:51
But there?s an unlimited number of coins and potential coins :joy:
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:51
But frankly that?s exactly why I would buy it
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:52
Bitcoin has had about hundreds of forks, not even counting other coins, what has that done to its price? People go back to the original
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:53
Why did TSLA go up so much? What about GME? The story is the bull case
ben659
2021-03-14 03:55
I think we bombarded the #random-chat channel haha
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 03:55
Well it?s called random chat lol
ben659
2021-03-14 06:03
OK, well look, with the Mona Lisa, you can?t easily make an _exact_ copy or produce something virtually the same but better. The real question isn?t how much a perfect copy of the Mona Lisa would be worth. The question to be asking is: how much _less_ would the original Mona Lisa be worth if people could easily copy it an infinite number of times?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:22
You can hire painters to recreate the painting 1 million times. You can reuse the image in photos, posters, books, digitised in jpeg form an infinite number of times (they already do) and I would argue it?d all make the original worth *even* more. Because it is still the one and only, original Mona Lisa.
michael
2021-03-14 06:22
Yeah, similar thoughts-ISH...
His thoughts were in line with... this is way too easy to make? And the govt's aren't doing anything?
What if it's part of do with the "WEF, great reset" "You'll own nothing and be happy"...
michael
2021-03-14 06:22
Make this a way for everyone to convert their fiat into crypto, then wipe it out in one go...
ben659
2021-03-14 06:29
@jerrycjchang Digitized versions of the Mona Lisa, photographs, painted copies, etc, are far from perfect duplicates. Viewing the original painting in real life is completely different, you can observe the minute details of da Vinci?s work, complete with its imperfections. So I really don?t get this argument. However, I do find it an interesting thought experiment to consider what would happen in terms of value were it possible to create perfect copies that provide the same experience to the observer
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:30
My original example was that you recreate the painting using the exact same canvas and paint
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:30
And even if they are identical, there is no way I?d pay more for the copy
ben659
2021-03-14 06:30
Right, but you said it would be indistinguishable
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:30
Physically indistinguishable
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:31
But only one has been hanging in the Louvre all that time
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:31
Which one would you pay for?
ben659
2021-03-14 06:31
The point is that that is unfathomably difficult, or perhaps impossible
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:31
And you cannot make a perfect copy of bitcoin either
ben659
2021-03-14 06:31
Whereas Bitcoin can be cloned and forked easily
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:31
Nope
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:32
Tells me how you?d recreate the same miners, user base and everything else around it
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:32
Why hasn?t anyone done it yet?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:33
It?s been forked hundreds of times and there are already thousands of crypto coins
ben659
2021-03-14 06:33
That?s the Bitcoin ledger, not Bitcoin
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:33
The btc ledger is bitcoin
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:33
Certainly a big part of it
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:33
Along with the cryptography
ben659
2021-03-14 06:33
So for the purposes of this discussion, Bitcoin is the blockchain technology
ben659
2021-03-14 06:34
We?ve already talked about how the extensive user-base is a function of its brand
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:34
Well I made my argument very clear earlier. It?s not just the technology
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:34
You can?t now strip it away and argue that you can recreate a blockchain easily
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:34
Of course you can
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:35
And people have tried, thousands of times
ben659
2021-03-14 06:35
This was my argument
ben659
2021-03-14 06:35
Bencoin would be an exact copy of Bitcoin?s technology
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:35
And yet they don?t have the same market price and social value
ben659
2021-03-14 06:35
The content in the bitcoin ledger isn?t relevant to the argument
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:35
Sure and no one would want bencoin
ben659
2021-03-14 06:36
Yeah, cause of religious-like faith in the name ?bitcoin?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:36
That faith IS the value
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:36
And that is my argument
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:36
You are shifting the whole thing and excluding any social element
ben659
2021-03-14 06:36
Which is why it?s just as bad as un-backed fiat
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:36
Which is vital to an asset
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:36
Gold is a rock mate
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:37
What is the magical property of gold?
ben659
2021-03-14 06:37
In geological terms, gold is not rock :joy:
ben659
2021-03-14 06:38
It?s a pure element, with many specific properties
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:38
It?s an element in the periodic table along with many others
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:38
You?re picking this one out to have financial value
ben659
2021-03-14 06:38
Haha this is an absurd line of argument
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:38
Because you believe its story
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:39
It is not absurd to me at all. It is strange that you ascribe value to gold but question people doing the same to anything else
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:39
Ultimately you were sold the story, just like others did with bitcoin
ben659
2021-03-14 06:39
Gold is used in dentistry, medicine, electronics, art, jewellery, to name but a few
ben659
2021-03-14 06:40
Even in primordial society people like things that are shiny
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:40
So why not silver?
ben659
2021-03-14 06:40
Sure, silver has it?s own properties and uses too
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:40
Tel me the reason for the difference in price of gold and silver
ben659
2021-03-14 06:41
Cause they have different uses and degrees of scarcity
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:41
Really? That is the only reason and accounts for all the difference?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:43
Can you please share the mathematical model that accounts for the differences in price between gold, silver, platinum, copper, etc based on their various uses and degrees of scarcity
ben659
2021-03-14 06:43
Silver?s massively undervalued right now, in historical terms
ben659
2021-03-14 06:44
You can?t use bitcoin to make digital dental implants or jewellery
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:44
Why would anything be undervalued or overvalued if you don?t think people tend to set different prices to different attributes, inefficiently
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:45
Who is arguing that you can? Strawman much?
ben659
2021-03-14 06:45
Prices aren?t perfect, even in a free market
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:45
No kidding
ben659
2021-03-14 06:45
Love watching how defensive Bitcoin supporters get
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:45
Lol
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:46
I make my money in derivatives. Trust me, I don?t ?support? blockchain, company stocks or pet rocks
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 06:46
Enjoy your Sunday
ben659
2021-03-14 06:59
Skin in the game or not, you certainly seem passionate about it
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 07:05
I am making an argument based on its social adoption. While you are trying to strip it away and pretend that it?s just computer code. I am not passionate about bitcoin but I do see its value. I am an investor and trader and I?ve owned every financial instrument under the sun. It?s not a matter of passion
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 07:07
Like I said. To each their own. I make my money my way and you do what you do
stolzlos
2021-03-14 07:10
just my 5 cents: things have value because there is a demand for it. Thus anything that has value today can got to zero eventually, and maybe come back from the grave.
stolzlos
2021-03-14 07:10
even silver was worthless once
stolzlos
2021-03-14 07:11
@jerrycjchang what are you trading?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 07:13
I mostly trade futures and options on equities, treasuries, precious metal etc. certainly lots of action in crypto these days too
mohd
2021-03-14 07:17
where can a beginner start on trading futures and options @jerrycjchang? I keep hearing about them but haven?t touched them. Not sure where one would even start. Any pointers? A good course or book?
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 07:18
I'm out of the house right now, but I'll share some material later when i get home if interested
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 07:18
There are lots of books certainly, lots of stuff online too
mohd
2021-03-14 07:21
Thanks, looking forward to your suggestions, I find a lot of stuff online, but with most affiliate content online, it?s hard to believe recommendations when the sites promoting the materials are earning commissions on every book/course they share!
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 07:25
Futures are pretty straight forward, you can probably pick it up just from investopedia or something. Options will require some reading, it will be dry too. You kinda have to study pretty much textbooks
jerrycjchang
2021-03-14 07:25
as for platforms, that probably depends on your location. I'm not sure what's available globally
mohd
2021-03-14 08:44
Thanks!
buynps.org
2021-03-14 19:39
dammm interesting sunday
ben659
2021-03-16 01:01
#bencoin
klaus
2021-03-16 08:25
To the moon!
omocha_10
2021-03-16 16:03
Hi, read most of the thread. Benjamin, I believe Michael Saylor explains very clearly the benefits of bitcoin. You may listen one the many interviews he is making. The one with Pompiliano is good.
https://youtu.be/WrR95PFYDFQ
ben659
2021-03-16 23:33
Very familiar with Saylor and Pompliano :slightly_smiling_face:
ben659
2021-03-17 00:52
When was silver worthless? :thinking_face:
ben659
2021-03-17 00:55
But why is there demand and how much can we rely on sustained demand? It?s easy to envision a world with no demand for Tesla or Bitcoin, but almost impossible to imagine a world with no demand for gold
stolzlos
2021-03-17 07:56
I fully agree. But never say never. Who knows? Maybe the crypto zealots will be proven right and central banks give up gold for BTC. Very, very, very hard to imagine but I have been wrong before.
stolzlos
2021-03-17 07:58
"All of King Solomon?s drinking cups were solid gold, as were all the utensils in the Palace of the Forest of Lebanon. They were not made of silver, for silver was considered worthless in Solomon?s day!" :wink:
stolzlos
2021-03-17 07:59
quite a long time ago
ben659
2021-03-17 13:00
I tend to think in terms of probabilities when I invest. I don?t see the sense in investing a lot of money based on something very unlikely. But I agree, it?s a crazy world and I?m never more than 90% certain about anything, so maybe BTC does somehow end up becoming the global reserve :man-shrugging:
ben659
2021-03-17 13:56
Maybe it wasn?t valued by the culture of the Kingdom of Israel in those times, but it certainly wasn?t universally worthless
ben659
2021-03-17 13:59
Like I said, even primordial communities value shiny things. I can say with almost absolute certainty that it was being used ornamentally or as money in different places during that time in antiquity
omocha_10
2021-03-18 15:29
What do you think about Saylor?s take on Bitcoin?
ben659
2021-03-21 03:23
Well one of his main arguments is that Bitcoin has reached a certain market cap that takes it into the league of Twitter and Facebook, rather than MySpace which never reached those heights, therefore allowing it to become obsolete much more easily. He says we?ve never seen something that?s reached those heights become obsolete, but I find it unconvincing to thereby draw the conclusion that it wouldn?t in the future. To be confident in placing my life savings in a ?store of value?, I would need to be confident that it will conserve value for many decades, ideally centuries, for the benefit of posterity. Ironically, I could spend a long time explaining how these big market cap companies are able to maintain their dominance with the help of big government, which is something the Bitcoin zealots regard with disdain and aim to subvert
omocha_10
2021-03-21 14:04
Ok. But I guess most people are buying first for price appreciation, and 2nd as a by product to store value.
ben659
2021-03-22 01:10
Yeah, they?re buying to gamble on the chance that a greater fool will buy from them at a higher price
omocha_10
2021-03-22 02:04
Elon Musk, Saylor, Square, Dorsey..... are pretty important fools waiting for a greater fool :joy: I?m not crypto warrior fanatic, I am still trying to understand if it?s good or not :+1:
ben659
2021-03-22 20:28
I?m also a ?fool? anticipating ?greater fools?
ben659
2021-03-22 20:28
Doesn?t mean I?m not gambling based on what I believe to be the collective psychology of others
ben659
2021-03-22 20:44
By ?good?, do you mean if it will benefit society, or if it will be a lucrative investment? And by ?it?, do you mean blockchain, cryptocurrency, or specifically Bitcoin?
omocha_10
2021-03-23 03:16
Within the context of this chat by ?good? I mean increasing my absolute purchasing power.
By ?it? I include bitcoin, cripto and blockchain, but in this chat I mean bitcoin as it?s what Saylor has been promoting.
Dorsey and Musk too.
ben659
2021-03-23 03:37
Bear in mind we don?t know the true motive behind them promoting Bitcoin. Musk has posted some curious tweets about it only being ?slightly less BS than fiat? and the price ?seeming high?
ben659
2021-03-23 03:37
So by process of deduction, that would mean he still thinks it?s expensive BS
ben659
2021-03-23 03:39
Honestly, I think the postmodernism in the social sphere has leaked into economics and finance. And I don?t think it?s going to end well.
omocha_10
2021-03-24 10:32
No we don?t kmow the true motive to promote Bitcoin, Elon Musk could even be Nakamoto..... But he invest part of his company money and also his reputation and how he will be remember, 2 things I guess he care about.
This may be something copied by other big company CEO?s creating more demand and making the price rise.
But this is also a very installed narrative pro Bitcoin, so we will have to wait....
bigworld
2021-04-08 20:10
One tax to rule them all
maxsuur
2021-04-08 20:49
and crypto gains save us all
bountybairn
2021-04-09 10:30
this is a terrible idea :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
hello888
2021-04-12 08:45
This is nothing new for those who watched plandemic 2, but I came across this report, published in 2017 by the Johns Hopkins team
It's funny because in this "fake scenario" they called the virus SPARS (not sars-19), and it's extremely similar to what happened since Dec 2019 :face_with_rolling_eyes:, and right now we are on page 63 of their 2017 ~plan~ study lol :joy:
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/pubs_archive/pubs-pdfs/2017/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf
#justaconspiracytheory
redareda9
2021-04-20 02:32
For nerds out here, quite interesting to look at
edgr
2021-04-22 06:08
Thank you for sharing
bountybairn
2021-05-11 05:41
whats your thoughts @mb? Better than sending a text, and not bothered much as will be fully vaccinated in 3 weeks (first Pfizer jab this week)
td
2021-05-11 09:27
any tips on how to get pfizer on cyprus? i thought they only offer astra zeneca, but still not sure if i would do it
omocha_10
2021-05-11 11:27
From Europe 300 euro return flight to Miami, they vaccinate you for free. If Johnson vaccine, one dose, for Pfizer or Moderna 2 doses within 21 days.
Then you should be able to enjoy the Euro summer mostly without restrictions....
tiagomdreganha
2021-05-11 11:31
Yep, NYC is doing JJ I think, I may head there mid summer
michelefrettoli
2021-05-11 11:44
in the summer in europe most likely you can have a "pass" also if you have the antibodies from covid, or you do a test within N hours before arriving
bountybairn
2021-05-11 12:55
thanks @omocha_10 thats interesting do you have more details? Not for me as I only need to take a 10 minute drive to the vaccination centre here and I am already booked in (it doesnt cost a me) but this might be very interesting option for people struggling to get a vaccine appointment
bountybairn
2021-05-11 12:56
are you on GESY? I literally just asked the doctor, they booked it for us job done (Pfizer> Moderna > AZ was the preference order i gave)
td
2021-05-11 12:58
not yet, but will be within the next 2 weeks when my company setup finished. I have the same preference :slightly_smiling_face:
bountybairn
2021-05-11 13:00
our accountant registered us to get the TIC for company and personal, they registered us with GESY, then we just contacted local doctor with those forms to get registered and then they helpfully done the vaccine portal for us.....both myself and wife were able to say Pfizer was the preference and we both got it.
Do you know if your age group has been called yet?
td
2021-05-11 13:02
i just read that anyone 30+ can get astra zeneca for free now here, but i will ask my accountant to set that up for me :slightly_smiling_face:
ben659
2021-05-11 19:12
No one else concerned about spurious agendas, track record of companies like J&J, censorship of any debate, and unknown medium/long term effects?
mikeseo
2021-05-12 01:05
I'm very concerned, I don't want to get any vaccine. Hopefully travel will still be possible...
ben659
2021-05-12 01:49
If natural immunity isn?t accepted as equivalent to having been vaccinated, the motives would be even more suspect
mikeseo
2021-05-12 03:14
of course it won't be accepted, how are "they" gonna make any money/control from natural immunity? I'm just waiting to see how bad the restrictions are going to be
bierlingm
2021-05-12 05:56
Same here, I will never take the vaccine
stolzlos
2021-05-12 06:34
No vaccine for me either. Not participating in the largest (rushed) biological experiment ever.
mb
2021-05-12 07:06
Don't plan to take one. My understanding is, at least for the EU, having recovered within a certain timeframe or a negative test is sufficient to travel within schengen.
mb
2021-05-12 07:08
But of course, in practice things might be different. In my experience from traveling by car throughout Europe, it is not as strict as I'd believe from the news...
mb
2021-05-12 07:09
That being said, I'm almost akin to a hermit glued to my laptop so not too much outside human contact :house_with_garden:
anton
2021-05-12 07:23
Basically I don?t see much difference in knowledge about long term effects of the vaccine vs long term effects of covid itself; so thats not a reason for me to not take it. But still I?ll not go for it, I also don?t take the flu vaccine, no need, healthy and no real risk to me (even less then driving around on my motorbike). However - if it will reduce quarantine times when travelling and makes it posslbe to go around, i?ll take it.
omocha_10
2021-05-12 08:40
@ben659 I could theorize about different things, but have no proof. In Israel they vaccined most people and are returning to normal, in USA too. My friends that are doctors, nurse they got the vaccine.
omocha_10
2021-05-12 08:43
@bountybairn No, that?s it, people are going without even an appointment, Dallas, Miami.
omocha_10
2021-05-12 09:27
Just read the IATA website, if you are coming from Europe it seems you are not allowed to travel to USA :us:.....
stolzlos
2021-05-12 10:37
hmmmm
tiagomdreganha
2021-05-12 11:01
The ministry and the WHO stressed on Tuesday that the majority of those who tested positive had not been vaccinated or had only received one dose, that no one who had died had been fully vaccinated and that nearly all of those needing treatment for severe or critical cases were unvaccinated.
tiagomdreganha
2021-05-12 11:02
I can understand the unknown long-term effects POV, but questioning the vaccine efficacy at this point is tinfoil level FUD
omocha_10
2021-05-12 11:03
I just read the headline. Vaccines doesn?t protect you from getting covid, but it makes the symptoms way milder, minimizing the possibilities of getting in a serious situation.
That?s what I read and been told.
stolzlos
2021-05-12 11:12
actually I am sorry that I posted the article. I always make a point in not getting involved in the whole thing.
stolzlos
2021-05-12 11:14
somehow I failed this time
stolzlos
2021-05-12 11:14
anybody has a chrome plugin that "filters" all covid news?
wice90
2021-05-12 12:13
I personally know around 100 people that got vaccinated, plus their families and friends. Many of them are doctors. Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Sputnik, Sinopharm .. 0 deaths and some (normal) side effects
kuka
2021-05-12 13:21
Interesting spectrum here, for those who don?t want to take it: don?t you realize vaccines are one of the greatest inventions of humankind? Interested to hear your take, not agitating.
simon
2021-05-12 13:42
Vaccines are indeed a great invention, and will become even more crucial in the future as their efficacy / scope improves. In the case of covid, I can understand the hesitation regarding the AZ and J&J vaccines but the mRNA vaccines seem pretty safe and effective. I?ll get my first shot in a few weeks, looking forward to getting this done and hopefully being able to travel more easily.
ben659
2021-05-12 16:00
I still don?t get why so many people conflate being suspicious of the Covid vaccines and being generally anti-vaccination. I guess this is a symptom of the polarised times we are living in, not helped by the media outlets.
simon
2021-05-12 18:47
@ben659 I just don?t understand why covid vaccines are seen as more dangerous than other vaccines. The tech behind most of them isn?t new (mRNA, for example, is a tech that has been under development for decades and that is fairly well understood at this point) or particularly risky.
burrup.lambert
2021-05-12 19:15
I agree with this. If you voice your opinion that you don't want a COVID vax, either now or not until later, you are automatically labelled 'anti-vax'. When the whole world is jumping off a cliff and you run the other way, you're the crazy one.
People are afraid of what they don't know. I've already had COVID and if I have to choose between getting COVID again or getting a vaccine now, I'll take COVID. That isn't to say I won't get a COVID vaccine at some point.
Right now we are thick in the middle of it and it's hard to tell the forest from the trees. I'd rather wait until the dust settles.
kuka
2021-05-12 19:21
That puts us in the same lot then. I?m not in a rush to make a COVID shot either. That post from final warning kinda triggered me a bit, cause it smells anti-vaxx'y.
ben659
2021-05-12 20:08
@simon I?m not accusing you of this, but the semi-religiosity and virtue signalling around getting vaccinated for Covid is really irksome given that there are serious concerns that are totally valid. However, I respect your point of view and I?m not going around telling people I don?t think they should take it. But given the current economic and political climate, I?m extremely mistrusting.
ben659
2021-05-12 20:09
@kuka I agree - that post from A Final Warning seems sensationalist.
ben659
2021-05-12 20:10
It?s always concerning when people are black and white about nuanced topics
omocha_10
2021-05-13 06:58
To travel to several countries before covid you need yellow fever vaccination, I had to take it again 3 years ago and the certificate was asked at the border, in the first years of our lives we are given lots of vaccines, medicine is improving.
Which are the main doubts about the vaccine? That it was not tested enough?
I guess companies, states, have more incentives for it to work than to cause harm.
Anyway, along history humans sometimes proved to be very harmful to each other.
Best vaccine I believe is to be healthy and fit...
a10
2021-05-13 12:23
Why be anti-vaxx in case of covid? It's simple:
? what's the benefit or even a necessity of using a vacciane againt covid? What's the mortality rate? At most - 1%, but could be a fraction of 1% And who are people who die: age, health conditions? Are you 65+ years old? Or do you have a chronical desease? Are you obese?
? Yes - then use it, for YOU it MAY BE worth it.
? No - why the fuck would you need a vacciane? Will you give me 100% guarantee that there'll be no side effects not during the first couple of weeks, but in the years to come? Have those covid vaccines been tested during several years already? You're kidding me - they were invented half of year ago. Why on Earth would I risk my health for a treatmeant against the virus from which around 95-99% recover with no issue, and by a vaccine which was invented half a year ago? It'd be crazyness.
burrup.lambert
2021-05-13 14:12
Other question to ask is, what are benefits of a vaccine (besides reducing the chance of getting COVID)?
? Do people who are vaccinated still have to wear a mask?
? Can people who are vaccinated ignore imposed curfews in cities?
? If there is a limitation on how many people can assemble (for instance 10), can vaccinated people congregate in groups of more than 10?
? If there is a limit on how many people can enter a shop, can vaccinated people ignore this limit?
? If there are intra-country travel restrictions, between provinces for example, can vaccinated people move freely?
Right now it seems to me (in my personal situation) that the only benefit may be the freedom to travel in another country.
Where I am vaccinated people still have to abide by the same rules as unvaccinated people.
omocha_10
2021-05-13 14:47
A young and healthy friend of a close friend died of covid this week.
Young and healthy people seems to die too.
Also they say that there are different variations, some more contagious and stronger as the one from Brazil.
My friends that are doctors and nurses took it.
I am not at all a vaccine nut freak, I also have a lot of doubts and things I don?t understand.
In the SM profile of a person I know mentioned that in Goa, India they?ve been living as if the covid did not exist during the last 6 months, but in the last weeks the situation is terrible in India.
Why not before? I don?t know. Why some cold countries have all business open and there haven?t been an outbreak?
I really don?t know.
Maybe we are not being told the whole truth, maybe no one knows it yet.
danz
2021-05-13 18:15
What a lot of people do is go to Mexico for 2 weeks and then Europeans are allowed to enter the US
ben659
2021-05-13 19:21
The ability for global alignment on epistemological ?truth? is another topic for discussion :sweat_smile:
mikeseo
2021-05-13 19:53
https://news.prairiepublic.org/post/dr-tom-cowan-vaccines-sue-balcom-composting-0
20min interview from a few years ago with a natural food/lifestyle dr about child vaccine issues
kuka
2021-05-14 00:05
kuka
2021-05-14 00:06
Don?t know who to trust these days smh
mikeseo
2021-05-14 02:56
ya i think he gave up his license cuz he was tired of the bs, not because he was debunked
anton
2021-05-14 03:19
I think it?s interesting. From (mostly westeners) I very often hear the same thoughts - it?s not beneficial for me, no risk for me, so thats why I don?t take it. However taking the vaccine is mostly not for yourself. It?s mostly not for your self, but for not spreading it around to others, and making sure the R rate goes down, resulting in general in less cases and therefore slowing down the mortality rate of it (reducing the healthcare systems is a big one in this). I?m not jumping up and down to get it, and as long as it?s not proven that you can not be contagious after taking the vaccine, I don?t see a reason. But for me, when it means if I?ve got the shot, and I cant infect for example my parents, other close (older) friends and family, I?m more than happy to take it. You don?t have to do it for yourself, but more for others.
It works the same as with other vaccines in that respect. The chances of you getting Tubercolosis, polio or whatever are low. However that is because the majority of people can?t really be effected by it, becuase of vaccinations. If all would stop taking that vaccine, the reproduction rate goes up, more people get it, more people get sick from it. Offcourse the 1 person not taking it isn?t going to matter, but we have to accept we?re not alone on this world, and you sometimes have to do something for your fellow humans, even if it?s ?experimental?.
mikeseo
2021-05-14 05:12
fat old weak sick people/animals dying is normal, trying to save everyone is abnormal
stolzlos
2021-05-14 05:18
there was once somebody who told me that *if everybody would just take care of themselves, nobody would need saving*.
omocha_10
2021-05-14 07:11
Yes, or go to any country were you are allowed to enter usa for 14 days.
maxsuur
2021-05-16 19:26
So-called Conspiracy theorists have been spot on during the past year
joe
2021-05-17 09:56
simon where are you getting your shots?
simon
2021-05-17 10:51
London
ben659
2021-06-18 02:39
> Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology.
> Mr. Steve Kirsch is a serial entrepreneur who has been researching adverse reactions to COVID vaccines.
ben659
2021-06-18 02:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY already censored by YouTube :man-facepalming:
kuka
2021-06-18 03:04
Just got a j&j jab, will report if I?ll get a new limb or something
ben659
2021-06-18 03:16
Have a listen to the full conversation if you?d like to hear the concerns expressed by the inventor of mRNA
ben659
2021-06-18 03:17
Steve Kirsch invented the optical mouse - not relevant expertise but smart enough to be worth listening to
ben659
2021-06-18 03:18
Incidentally, J&J isn?t mRNA
kuka
2021-06-18 03:34
Yeah I?ll check it out, my father (52y) got Sputnik V in the last month, no issues so far
kuka
2021-06-18 03:35
Not sure what to make of it really but a couple of my friends and cousins had covid and it sucked, so jab seemed like a good choice
ben659
2021-06-18 03:45
Yeah, I?m not trying to have a go at people who get jabbed.
ben659
2021-06-18 03:46
But I don?t think those who?d rather hold off for now should be stigmatised
mikeseo
2021-06-18 05:28
California removed mask requirement a few days ago, if your vaccinated...on the honor system :slightly_smiling_face: it's really nice to not have to put on a mask just to go in the supermarket
bountybairn
2021-06-18 09:33
I had double Pfizer a month ago, no side affects whatsoever
taylorwalkerllc
2021-06-18 10:16
I got Astra and I was sick as fuck for two days and now feeling 80% after 5 days. Toxic shit...
seb.malek
2021-06-18 10:40
why did you get it then lol
simon
2021-06-18 10:50
@seb.malek It?s very useful for travel, lots of countries are only open to vaccinated travelers or have fewer requirements if fully vaccinated
seb.malek
2021-06-18 11:41
yeah but at what cost...
simon
2021-06-18 12:34
@seb.malek The risk is negligible in the case of the mRNA vaccines. Scientists have been working for decades on mRNA, it would have been rolled out eventually regardless of covid, will be a game changer for a number of diseases / conditions.
ben659
2021-06-18 15:47
@simon Did you watch the full video I posted?
ben659
2021-06-18 15:49
Also, from what I can see, being vaccinated doesn?t yet confer that many benefits regarding travel. Most countries appear reticent, at best reducing quarantine time. A few are only open to vaccinated travellers, but I?m surprised by how many places I?m seeing don?t differentiate much
kuka
2021-06-18 16:47
This is probably the most controversial topic there is
stolzlos
2021-06-18 17:25
really? Have you ever heard of ~global warming~ climate change? (even the name changes) Another politically caused #shitstorm. When Covid is finally not newsworthy anymore we will certainly switch back to the previous most controversial topic. :wink:
stolzlos
2021-06-18 17:30
but in all seriousness, I talked to a colleague today who got vaccinated twice already and is still totally scared of meeting other people. She even insists that even though she is fully vaccinated that all unvaccinated people must wear masks at all times, everywhere, forever.
stolzlos
2021-06-18 17:31
wow, I thought. I wonder how many people are there thinking like her .....
ben659
2021-06-18 17:46
I?m getting extremely worried that people don?t even want to listen to the inventor of mRNA when he voices his concerns.
ben659
2021-06-18 17:46
A close friend in India was telling me today that they have to listen to 2 minutes of propaganda before they?re allowed to make a phone call
ben659
2021-06-18 17:46
?Vaccines are completely safe, effective and has good immunogenetic response against covid 19, don?t listen to heresay. Also don?t forget to wear masks even after you take a vaccine?
simon
2021-06-18 18:25
The guy isn't the "inventor" of mRNA, there has been loads of scientists working on the concept since the 1960s and that is well documented in magazines like Nature. As for his claim regarding the spike protein being an issue, this has already been debunked (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-safe-idUSL2N2NX1J6) and the hundreds of millions of doses already administered are a pretty strong testimony of the mRNA vaccines safety. Most people I know got the Pfizer / Moderna vaccines without any side effects, myself included, in the past few months.
ben659
2021-06-18 23:51
Oh boy, here come the ?fact checkers? :joy:
ben659
2021-06-18 23:58
With regard to ?inventor?, well, _Nanos gigantium humeris insidentes?_
ben659
2021-06-18 23:59
As for ?debunked?, looks like its mainstream media outlet having the final say on the truth once more!
ben659
2021-06-19 00:00
I?m not saying don?t get vaccinated, or that I somehow know that these things are dangerous, but when there?s an earnest discussion between biologists with relevant expertise, I?m all ears
jase
2021-06-19 09:02
Mask free for most parts of life in Andorra now.
jase
2021-06-19 09:02
I'm kinda liking the European approach. Let it run rife so now we can all get on with life.
jase
2021-06-19 09:03
21% vaccinated with single dose. Massive supply chain issues so I doubt there'll be double doses for more than 45% this year.
jase
2021-06-19 09:03
...and despite this relaxed approach?
edgr
2021-06-19 09:21
I'm fully vaccinated and I don't regret this. The only concern I have is that we get into a two class system with the vaccine passport.
jase
2021-06-19 09:22
My concern is "getting the wrong one" and not being able to get into Australia. So I will fence sit.
umesh.desai
2021-06-19 11:07
Wrong one? Australia are barring entry if you get a vaccine brand they don't approve of?
simon
2021-06-19 11:40
Wouldn?t surprise me, Canada does the same (they will announce on Monday that quarantine goes away for fully vaccinated travelers but only if the vaccines are Health Canada approved, basically Pfizer, Moderna, J&J and Astra).
simon
2021-06-19 11:42
As far as I know, only Pfizer and Astra are approved in Australia
jase
2021-06-19 11:46
Yes, exactly.
jase
2021-06-19 11:47
Seems that Pfizer is the safest bet from a "travel acceptance" point of view.
simon
2021-06-19 11:54
I think so too. There?s too many ?important? countries for me that haven?t and won?t approve Astra. US, NZ etc
jase
2021-06-19 11:54
Yeah, and Astra are the main one they're giving out here at the moment.
umesh.desai
2021-06-19 12:51
Good to know
ben659
2021-06-19 16:13
That was another reason I wanted to hold off. We don?t know which countries will accept which vaccines, nor whether we?ll need different vaccines in the future cause of new strains etc. It also seems heavily politicised, e.g. EU and AstraZeneca. I don?t want to p*** people off but I think https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-get-vaccinated/ is an important read before people make up their own minds, it?s vigorously backed up info on what we know about the safety of these rather than just anti-vax sensationalism.
simon
2021-06-19 16:51
Even if these figures were true (funny how sceptics keep using the highest estimates when it suits them yet claim covid deaths are overcounted), that would still represent a huge reduction in risk / death vs getting infected with covid. More than 300 million shots have been administered in the US, if 25000 people died as a result (I doubt that) that would be far better than the 600000+ dead from covid over a hundred or so million estimated infections
kuka
2021-06-19 16:52
@ben659 Even if all of that is true, and that?s a big if, going through COVID versus risking it by being vaccinated isn?t a tough decision. I had some of my distant relatives die in the last year. They were 45+ mostly, but my young friends at 25-30y who had it say it?s the toughest flu they had to go through and they are healthy and young. Long-term complications aren?t well-known neither.
I look at it this way, I?m good at my craft (doing software). Some of the smartest people chose chemistry and medicine as theirs and consequently spent decades learning and experimenting. Now, who am I as a layman in medicine to doubt the decisions of those who live and breathe that stuff? Had they started doubting points about my career without at least a few years of experience I?d laugh them off instantly. I?m not able to tell the difference between two molecules and don?t know shit how DNA works. I have no credentials in that space but I know that cats, dogs, and monkeys who keep up with their vaccines live longer than their counterparts. So the same applies to all monkeys including us.
I guess another philosophical point about it all is that I believe in people, especially those who had character traits to be the greatest in hard sciences like applied chemistry who came up with all of the research and experiments, as in they had good intentions. Smart people don?t want to wreak havoc, in my experience at least.
td
2021-06-19 17:48
my craft was to find security bugs in software :wink: trust me, there were a lot and still are ... mostly by accident and sometimes by government :wink: the whole topic is a problem of trust, and with governments, companies and media lying to us for years in so many cases ... its just hard to find trustworthy sources. i totally agree with your point, i am a laymen as well and have no clue what they are talking about, but i have hard times to believe any of them ...
ben659
2021-06-19 17:57
@kuka I?m sorry to hear about some of your relatives and friends.
My anecdotal experience is as follows: I?m the only person in my near and distant family to have had covid and it was like having a mild cold for a week followed by 0% smell for several months, which is now back to 100%. No one else in the family has been infected, at least not knowingly. All of my family members above 50 took the AstraZeneca vaccine with no side effects. Most of my _young_ friends and colleagues in the states took Moderna or Pfizer, and every single one said they felt extremely ill afterwards, several had to take a day or so off work.
So that?s out in the open if you want to judge any biases I may have. I always try my best to see things as objectively as possible, but I recognize that we all have biases and an agenda to some degree, it?s just part of being human.
What I am most concerned about is one group of scientists being censored and stigmatized, and the other group being given centre-stage by politicians and media outlets. How can reasonable discussion take place under these circumstances? I?ve followed and respected Brett Weinstein for several years, and I was all ears in 2020 when he said there is strong evidence the virus came from a lab. You would not believe the amount of vitriol I received from certain members of my family for simply stating ?An acclaimed biologist I?ve followed for a long time says it?s likely this originated in a lab.? Now, all of a sudden, the mainstream media decided to do a U-turn after having labelled people who talked about this as stupid conspiracy theorists. All of these cries of ?trust the science!? when the UK politicians tell us that scientists say AstraZeneca is fine, but EU politicians tell us AstraZeneca is bad. Clearly things are getting politicised and all of this censorship and media ?fact-checking? is truly dystopian.
To use your software analogy (I?m also a developer), it?s like politicians and mainstream media were to decide that writing JS with semi-colons were the only allowable opinion, and demonizing and censoring all those who prefer writing JS without semi-colons, including someone like Tj Holowaychuk who has obviously made great contributions and is worth listening to, and happens to prefer not using semi-colons. Both sides of the debate have strong points, but why should I be coerced into taking one side and viewing the other as an immoral conspiracy theory? Now you might argue vaccines are a matter of life-or-death, whereas semi-colons are not, but surely that makes it even more important for the experts to be able to engage in a process of dialectics without fear of stigma or mob-attacks.
stolzlos
2021-06-19 19:37
@ben659 so what is your point? That vaccines are bad? Or that the lack of constructive discussion about vaccines is bad?
ben659
2021-06-19 19:50
@stolzlos This is not about ?vaccine good? or ?vaccine bad?. That would be a childish dichotomy to assume. First and foremost, my point relates to the tyranny of *censorship*, that it normally masks corruption or indicates fear towards the entire truth.
stolzlos
2021-06-19 20:17
@ben659 understood. But again, what is your point? What are you trying to convey? That people should beware of censorship and the motives behind censorship?
ben659
2021-06-19 20:22
@stolzlos That the censorship is beyond suspicious, and that we?re already seeing the shots being used as a geopolitical weapon which indicates that this goes beyond the virus itself. With the floodgates open, this can get very messy indeed.
hello888
2021-06-20 21:14
@ben659 "You have to understand, *most* of these *people are not ready* to be unplugged"
ben659
2021-06-21 03:10
I don?t mind people disagreeing, I?m only grateful when someone makes me see things differently, but I wish people would actually read the material before responding (it deals with the points Simon mentions). But you?re right, probably the wrong place to be posting about this.
mikeseo
2021-06-21 04:15
really interesting how divided we are on this issue, seems almost 50-50 people who think it's overblown vs people who think it's serious. And can't really change the other sides mind. Maybe because there's so much information on the internet, with convincing info for both sides. Maybe because it's a very nuanced and complicated, and it's easier to just pick a side. Maybe the vaxxers will all get autoimmune issues 25yrs down the road or maybe the antivaxxers will all get cancer from asymptomatic covid, but probably the governments will just use it to decrease our freedoms and increase their power and wealth.
kuka
2021-06-21 05:40
As an extension of my previous argument and COVID being politicized, I don?t think it?s as politicized in non-Western countries from my perspective. It?s a typical Westerner (especially American thing, and since opinions seen online usually default to American too it?s basically everywhere) issue when everyone must have an opinion on something when in reality there is no substantial knowledge to have one. For me, it?s quite simple. I can clearly see that Russia and China (got family in a Russian speaking country, got extended family members living in Shanghai) came up with their own vaccines. That signals a lot. There must have been a good reason for them to do it. From my perspective (and in game theory) when several independent agents act similarly when they usually don?t, there must be a reason for it. Otherwise, they could have used it as an opportunity to bash the Western world as they typically do or take advantage of the situation (which they arguably did like strict handling of population but still came up with vaccines).
As for the point on being divided, I don?t see how one can have an opinion on anything without being a pro in the game, especially medicine. Is anyone here a doctor or a virologist? As for me it?s simple when tens of thousands of doctors across the world say inject I inject the same way I use SSL, SHA and VPNs without understanding low-level cryptography. Yes, there are risks but I?ll take my chances with a vaccine as numbers make more sense to me that way.
kuka
2021-06-21 05:43
Today is a third day after J&J?s Jannsen and other than two days of flu-like symptoms, no issues and limbs are still in-place. I just hope people will continue to wear masks more often than during pre-COVID times as my family was able to avoid typical flu all this time.
kuka
2021-06-21 05:45
@mikeseo It?s likely 95:5 and not 50:50 as most people don?t participate in these conversations cause it?s pointless and arguably stupid. I find it entertaining.
mohd
2021-06-21 07:05
:grin:Maybe this will help convince some of you?
hello888
2021-06-21 09:33
Great logic right there lol
A. Because "China & Russia came up with their own vaccines" (which they sold to many other countries) => Somehow that proves the existence of covid because they are "independent agents" in an ultra globalized world. Yes, I'm convinced now, thanks!
B. Because you don't understand how SSL, SHA and VPNs works but you use then, then injecting an experimental dose into your body because many "experts" that your trust say "it's safe" make perfect sense to you. I couldn't make this broken logic up even if I wanted to.
BTW. Because of the massive censorship, those that don't find alternative channels, (like you obviously) have no idea of #1 the number of "experts" -with the same or higher credentials- on the opposite side, screaming all the reasons why the vaccine is not safe and not needed, and #2 the massive number of side effects (including death), that aren't being reported to the public.
michal.opoka
2021-06-21 11:06
first of all literally everything around COVID is extremely politicized and used as a political weapon for smearing domestic or international rivals, especially in the west which didn't handle the pandemic very well compared to East Asia, things like lab leak theory are distractions, there is no way for the west to prove there was a lab leak and for China to prove there wasn't so smearing will continue
michal.opoka
2021-06-21 11:10
as for vaccine I took Pfizer because it had highest efficacy from the vaccines that were available (Moderna is fine too), with around 95% for Pfizer and 75% for Astra Zeneca it's a huge difference - 5 times bigger chance of AZ vaccine not working compared to Pfizer, and this is for base COVID variant. As for side effects I had headache for few days after first dose and small fever also for few days after second while one of my distant family members almost died from COVID
kuka
2021-06-21 15:29
Look, you don?t have to agree with me. I?m just sharing my opinion. If this is broken logic, then show me what yours is. Just making fun of it isn?t a constructive dialogue.
omocha_10
2021-06-21 17:18
Got the Johnson today. They didn?t want to guve me any documentation, but as I am non resident here I asked for one, so they just gave me a random printed page....
Did you already got the Euro digital vaccine passport?
michal.opoka
2021-06-21 19:25
page with something like that? https://news.gtp.gr/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Greece_Digital-COVID-Certificate_1.jpg That QR code points to your digital vaccine passport. I got it in vaccination point, but it's just pdf that I can download from government website and print. There is also a version in mobile app
michal.opoka
2021-06-21 19:26
Although I'm not sure if all EU countries have approved these certificates, I got it in Poland
seb.malek
2021-06-22 10:28
anyone in mexico atm?
russ7
2021-06-22 11:56
I?m in Belize, so close. Not sure what you?re looking for
umesh.desai
2021-06-22 20:58
I was in Mexico until recently - depending on where you are going, I found the the facebook groups formed by expats for whatever city you care about are great sources of info and places to ask questions. I was in Cancun and Playa del Carmen.
seb.malek
2021-06-23 07:44
hmm. how safe is it? planning on going solo to Cancun+Playa+Tulum
ambroise.debret
2021-06-23 12:05
Just spent 5 months in mexico (3rd time).
Go to Playa : very safe & easy if it?s your first time
ambroise.debret
2021-06-23 12:05
Maaany nomads right now
danz
2021-06-23 12:57
Just was 6 months in Mexico again, 4 of which in Playa. Very safe, probably the place with the most digital nomads now
umesh.desai
2021-06-23 13:16
Safe during the day, at night, the closer to 5th avenue you are, the better.
seb.malek
2021-06-23 13:19
Awesome, thanks for the info
seb.malek
2021-06-23 13:21
what would be the best time to go there? is september fine?
seb.malek
2021-06-23 13:22
i'm 20, from croatia, this would be my first time going out of europe
umesh.desai
2021-06-23 13:22
September is ok, though still a little hot, and they will still be in the midst of hurricane season
seb.malek
2021-06-23 13:22
ok
umesh.desai
2021-06-23 13:22
November is better
seb.malek
2021-06-23 13:22
honestly i'd go for NYE but don't have anyone to go with
umesh.desai
2021-06-23 13:23
If you want to leave earlier, Merida could be a good spot for September, then move to playa a few months c later
seb.malek
2021-06-23 13:24
ah, it's just a vacation though, likely not longer than 2 weeks
umesh.desai
2021-06-23 13:25
September is ok. Just run the risk of a hurricane being there when you visit
umesh.desai
2021-06-23 13:28
But if your flights are flexible, then perhaps you can reschedule a week or two later if one is there
umesh.desai
2021-06-23 13:29
If you want more of a sure thing, Cabo or Puerto Vallarta on the west coast are similar
burrup.lambert
2021-06-23 15:53
Was only a matter of time after they arrested Jimmy Lai I guess...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57578926?=/
simon
2021-06-23 16:56
On a more positive note, HK is reopening to tourists at the end of June. Vaccination and an antibodies test is required, as well as a 7 night quarantine at a hotel
taylorwalkerllc
2021-06-24 08:19
Do you have a link to read more about it? :slightly_smiling_face:
omocha_10
2021-06-25 07:38
Yes, I was thinking about something like that, guess they will give it to me later on.
Thanks
burrup.lambert
2021-07-09 18:05
Microsoft/LinkIn, the COVID police!
https://www.christianpost.com/news/linkedin-reinstates-mrna-vaccine-inventors-account-after-removal-for-questions-on-covid-shot-risks.html
prykhodko.av
2021-07-09 20:35
Anyone from hospitality industry here? We developed contactless menu and ordering for restaurants and bars and looking for dine healthy criticism :) here is the menu example https://instalacarte.com/m/WAGAMAMA
umesh.desai
2021-07-09 20:40
nice
mb
2021-07-09 21:49
Good choice using emojis: something most users recognize and are trained to use.
You could consider a dark mode, which uses the local time setting (locale) to automatically switch (but still allow the user to switch manually).
prykhodko.av
2021-07-09 22:08
It is very easy to build a similar menu from scratch at http://Instalacarte.com you just use one language and the menu would auto translate in 12 languages. Self ordering functionality to be added next week, take away, delivery and dine in. Customers places order and chefs can see it in his/her smartphones. The system is cloud based, run on smartphones and totally free for hotels and restaurants. Please feel free to pass it to your favourite restaurant and/or takeaway, thank you
prykhodko.av
2021-07-09 22:09
Thank you, really much appreciated, we worked hard to develop this system in order to support COVID struck hospitality industry
kuka
2021-07-10 00:12
California state has a digital vaccine record available now at https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/. Got mine no prob.
taylorwalkerllc
2021-07-13 03:47
https://www.reuters.com/business/global-dirty-money-watchdog-adds-malta-grey-list-keeps-pakistan-2021-06-25/ did you guys see this? Does this have any repercussions?
rtiagm
2021-07-13 06:24
Did anyone here (non-citizen, non-resident) got the vaccine in the US?
rtiagm
2021-07-13 06:25
Thinking of flying to California and getting the vaccine there
kuka
2021-07-13 06:26
Did exactly that, they give it out like a candy
kuka
2021-07-13 06:27
@rtiagm that was a month ago, there are actually people pointing you to vaccines when you arrive in LAX and all pharmacies have walk-ins available
rtiagm
2021-07-13 06:28
@kuka Wow, that's great. No need for quarantine?
kuka
2021-07-13 06:30
@rtiagm Nope but I had a negative PCR test and arrived from Mexico so maybe that?s something to look into as it likely varies
rtiagm
2021-07-13 06:36
ok, thanks for the info.
simon
2021-07-13 06:51
As long as you aren?t flying from a banned country (EU, UK, Brazil, South Africa and China) all you need is a covid test (any is fine, I used a cheap antigen test I got before my flight from MEX). There?s no quarantine requirements or other restrictions. I recommend signing up for a Walgreens or CVS account and using it to book a vaccine appointment. Sure you can walk-in but having the booking will ensure you get the vaccine you want and you?ll have more documentation to show your home country in case they ask (if you want to transfer the vaccination record).
kuka
2021-07-13 06:58
That?s a good point, I booked J&J on purpose as they didn?t have it at all times
michelefrettoli
2021-07-13 09:07
kuka
2021-07-13 09:10
Oh yeah, yolo
maticko
2021-07-13 09:11
> the rate of reported cases of GBS in J&J vaccine recipients exceeds the background rate only by a small degree.
maxsuur
2021-07-13 12:38
What do guys think about the new announcement from President Macron about making having to show your covid certification/pass when entering any of the restaurants, bars, and malls nationwide?
arommelaere
2021-07-14 03:21
Revolution again... ? :sweat_smile:
maxsuur
2021-07-14 14:26
I don't know man, but to me it seems disproportionate
tiagomdreganha
2021-07-14 14:28
Same is happening in Portugal for inside seating in restaurants at the weekends (when more gatherings happen). The new variant is much more contagious, they had to either do that or close everything again until >75% of the population is vaccinated with both jabs.
We were behind with vaccinaation but are now ramping up and everyone should be done by end of August. They are doing 20-30 y olds now.
arommelaere
2021-07-14 15:08
I spent some time yesterday checking *Nuremberg Code and Universal Declaration of Human Rights*
In my opinion as *all vaccine are still under experimentation until at least Dec 2021 (Sputnik V), 2022 & 2023 for others*, and as (under Nuremberg Code):
```The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without
the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision```
It seems to me clearly *illegal to force any worker to get the experimental vaccines in any country compatible with Nuremberg Code* as long are the experimentation are not fully finished (even if the experimental vaccines got emergency WHO approval doesn't mean the experiments are done) so *it will be legal to make it mandatory on Dec 2021 when Sputnik V experimentation will be finished at the earliest.*
For 193 countries under Universal Declaration of Human Rights, they also mention "Everyone has the right to freedom of movement" and "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control." so *all the essentials business couldn't be restricted for non-vaccinated people*
clr
2021-07-14 18:18
Regarding Macron?s announcement, I think it?s just another symptom of how the fear is bringing dictatorship. Most people seem to be happy with all this, so I expect it?s going to get worse before we hit rock bottom.
clr
2021-07-14 18:20
On a more general note, I feel sadness over all these people who have reached financial independence and now are mostly unable to enjoy life and terrified of getting what amounts to a cold.
clr
2021-07-14 18:22
I had the disease last year, and the symptoms were very similar to what others have reported: light fever, one day with hangover-like headache, and several days with dry cough. In terms of severity, it felt like a mild cold. In fact, more comfortable as I didn?t have runny nose.
clr
2021-07-14 18:24
I try to feel compassion for those scared, but I find it challenging. I try to remember that this too shall pass.
bobriakov.igor
2021-07-14 18:59
some folks have no mild symptoms but rather heavy symptoms (being knocked out for ~3 weeks is no joke, let me tell you).
Some even die, I personally know some people who died from it.
arthur.vandelaak
2021-07-14 19:02
@clr lucky you. I wish I had it like you. I am healthy guy not overweight and ended up in hospital on oxygen with Covid-19. But yes Macron's idea is scary.
clr
2021-07-15 04:54
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I also know someone who had a hard time and was on oxygen. I can see that all of us are biased when discussing how benign or bad this is.
clr
2021-07-15 05:01
Coming back to the original question (Macron?s announcement): nobody has the right to hold others hostage. Those who support government restrictions are weaponizing a medical issue. Some call it ?science?, but science is not about forcing others. I say that my life is as important as theirs; this should not be controversial.
simon
2021-07-15 05:26
Isn?t there already mandatory vaccines in most countries? I had to take a bunch back in school, there was no opt out. It wouldn?t surprise me if the covid vaccines are also made mandatory once they receive full approval.
clr
2021-07-15 05:47
I also took a few in school. I don?t know if it was possible to opt-out, but I never questioned it. It seemed fine with the little ?information? I had at the moment (I believe I was 7 or maybe 8 years old at the time of the last vaccines, maybe a bit older for the tetanus one).
When I see the vaccination schedule for children nowadays, there are way more vaccines that back when I was a kid. The list seems to keep increasing. Anyway, I hear stories in the US about parents opting out or not vaccinating their children, so it seems that it is possible to opt-out. I believe there are both medical and religious exemptions at least.
About mandatory vaccines *for adults,* this is the first time during my life that such a thing is being considered.
I struggle to know if your last sentence is descriptive or normative.
arommelaere
2021-07-15 05:56
Mandatory experimental vaccination is illegal from my law reading under Nuremberg Code countries as long vaccines experimental studies are not fully concluded, but It will be possible to make them legally mandatory once studies are fully done (with positive and good output). However, it's currently legal to manipulate the weak minds with propaganda to do it from their own, if people choose to do it by themselves they will not be able to claim anything in case of side effect.
In case of kid vaccination, at the current state, the kid has to agree with his own mind and without constraint, if the kid decline with a clear No they can't legally inject it whatever macron says on TV.
arommelaere
2021-07-15 05:59
For French residents there is also sub national laws about vaccinations, i can share later if someone interested
tiagomdreganha
2021-07-15 09:09
Vaccines have always been mandatory to join the school system in Portugal and covid will become one of those vaccines for sure.
Outbreaks due to lack of vaccination affect ALL population, not just unvaccinated people, as it allows the virus to propagate.
mikeseo
2021-07-15 16:42
I just had a baby in the US, vaccines are not mandatory, just recommended here. Not sure about school requirements yet
omocha_10
2021-07-16 09:18
We?ve been taking so many vaccines even before we knew our own names. All our life we used passports, ID?s, credentials to cross borders, enter buildings, identify ourselves.
The big difference right now is the potential of people in power to do good or bad, with such advanced technologies.
But this didn?t stop the people who were in power to create lots of suffering.
I?m agnostic, don?t know what is all about. But the thing is that with new technologies we gain so much freedom and possibilities, but at the same time, it works both ways.
Less than 20 years ago we were using passports written in ink and with a photo sticked with glue, some decades before we could roam around the planet without identification, but we didn?t have the machines or resources to move too much at a good speed.
mikeseo
2021-07-16 15:54
gov will warp crypto to be auto-taxing
michal.opoka
2021-07-17 16:17
Anyone tried taking antibody test after vaccination? I took it (Antibody anti-SARS-CoV-2 virus IgG quantitative) mostly out of curiosity and got around 3500 BAU/ml three weeks after second shot of Pfizer
michal.opoka
2021-07-17 17:54
yes, result like this means that it worked quite well, I had some minor side effects, but I guess it was worth it
rodrigo.grania
2021-07-17 17:59
waht side effects>
rodrigo.grania
2021-07-17 17:59
?
michal.opoka
2021-07-17 18:13
after first dose I got some pain in the arm and headache for three days, less intensive with each day. After second dose I got small fever (37.8 C) and smaller pain in the arm for around 2 days
ashishbhatia.ab
2021-07-18 19:23
Does anyone have an opinion of Andrew Henderson. He keeps writing catchy articles like https://nomadcapitalist.com/2020/02/28/paper-residency-second-passport
Are his services worth the huge fee ($10000+) he charges?
burrup.lambert
2021-07-19 02:23
I think anything he would tell you, you can find out here for free.
bobriakov.igor
2021-07-20 19:25
out of curiosity - is anyone here is a member of Dynamite Circle community?
sergiy.shlykov
2021-07-20 19:34
Yeah, me and a few others here as well
yaron.been
2021-07-21 04:52
@sergiy.shlykov Can you elaborate a bit about your experience?
danz
2021-07-21 10:33
I am, well since recently (a few months ago)
sergiy.shlykov
2021-07-21 15:20
@yaron.been @bobriakov.igor My experience has been really positive. I joined in the era of the live events(pre covid), back in 2017, when they organized a bunch of events offline and it was a blast to meet people who are doing online biz just like you all around the world. The live events are really helpful if you want to connect with people who are rocking it in their respective fields of online business. Everybody is super approachable, even if they own a biz dozens times larger than yours. Super generous to give feedback and advice on what you need. Really not-salesy and super chill, yet successful. The community is pretty large 1500+ ppl last time I checked, maybe it has grown since. You can find ppl who own agencies, online properties like affiliate/ad sites, SaaS companies, course creators, productized services, ecom, freelancers, etc. Just like with any other community, the more you give without expecting anything in return the more you get. This typically relates to free advice and just being available for people when they reach out. Another thing that helped me a lot is the masterminds they organize. I've been a part of maybe 6 long lasting mastermind groups over the last 4 years i'm a part of it and it was (and still is) really valuable. Some members were not very serious about it and dropped out, others really committed and those groups stuck with me til this day.
sergiy.shlykov
2021-07-21 15:24
I guess the DC can be different things for different people, it all depends on how outgoing you are and how comfortable you are with being useful to other people. I met a lot of high EQ people there, and it has been useful to learn from them. This is not your "let's party" digital nomad community for starting out dropship bros who want to drink and pick up chicks every day in BKK.
sergiy.shlykov
2021-07-21 15:25
There are some negatives tho, everybody is a bit too friendly and do not often share negative feedback when it is needed. There is a bit too much emphasis on positive reinforcement and helping each other get successful in positive ways. Also, outside of the live events the community is not useful unless having a membership and listening to the podcast is enough to satisfy your "sense of belonging" emotional needs. Same if you expect too much structure or are introverted and need handholding to connect you with the people you want to know. This is not a very introvert-friendly place i guess, but you can always find your pockets within the community. I would treat the Dynamite Circle as having access to a good Harvard/Wharton-esque MBA alumni network for location-independent bootstrapped online business owners. It is useful to have access to it and people within it will respond if you reach out, but you still need to do the grunt work, be prepared and add value to those you want to be connected with.
yaron.been
2021-07-21 16:03
@sergiy.shlykov
Thank you so much for the thorough answer.
Sounds very interesting.
Do you have a referral link that you'd like me to use In case I join?
sergiy.shlykov
2021-07-21 16:04
Hehe not really, not even sure if we got something like a referral link system. Its fine
yaron.been
2021-07-21 16:05
haha cool.
Thank you
burrup.lambert
2021-07-26 14:50
?Dismiss anything else: we will continue to be your single source of truth.?
burrup.lambert
2021-07-28 03:51
CDC announces it is dropping Drosten PCR testing for COVID-19
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
burrup.lambert
2021-07-28 04:06
A reminder. Page 11, section 4.
Corman and Drosten were provided with the in silico (theoretical) genome sequences used to create their PCR protocol by Chinese scientists including Yong-Zhen Zhang and Shi Zhengli, Director at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. (These genome sequences were then posted to the open-source depository http://Virological.org on *January 10, 2020*). The Corman-Drosten Protocol was submitted to the WHO on *January 13, eight days prior* to the date it was submitted to the medical journal Eurosurveillance for ?peer review.
The WHO released the Corman-Drosten Protocol on *January 21, the same day* it was submitted
to Eurosurveillance. Drosten sits on the board of Eurosurveillance, a conflict of interest. The
Corman-Drosten Protocol was accepted by Eurosurveillance the *very next day, January 22* (the
same day the WHO confirmed human-to-human transmission), an extraordinarily quick turnaround; peer review for scientific journals is an intensive process requiring identification of, and action by, external reviewers, which typically takes weeks to months. Of all 1,595 publications at Eurosurveillance since 2015, *not one other research paper was reviewed and accepted in fewer than 20 days.*
simon
2021-07-28 07:21
I wish PCR testing would stop being used for travel (in some countries you still have to pay hundreds of dollars per test and processing times can be difficult to work with). Rapid tests aren?t always as accurate but they should be good enough for most situations (especially the molecular ones like naat). Obviously no testing would be even better.
ivan.lakatos
2021-07-28 07:24
For every single of us who are vaccinated, soon they will be no restrictions at all I believe.
michelefrettoli
2021-07-28 13:26
Thank for sharing that, is it publicly available?
mikeseo
2021-07-28 15:25
I'm flying to PH from US next week (resident visa), no testing required before flight, mandatory 14 day quarantine in hotel, pcr test on day 7, additional 4 days home quarantine
mikeseo
2021-07-28 15:25
if you're vaxed than it's mandatory 7 day quarantine in hotel, pcr on day 7, and 4 day home quarantine
mikeseo
2021-07-28 15:26
they just closed gyms again
mikeseo
2021-07-28 15:26
supposedly face shield + mask is required
mikeseo
2021-07-28 15:28
the gov restricted hotel rates so it's a bit cheaper than normal, $130/night for 76sqm room with separate bedroom, normal price $200+. Can't leave the room, can get food deliveries
burrup.lambert
2021-07-28 15:40
Is what publicly available?
tiagomdreganha
2021-07-28 15:40
I won't be travelling to any country that requires PCR or quarentine to fully vaccinated people, that's madness
stolzlos
2021-07-28 15:44
Just found that. Don't know how accurate or up to date it is:
https://blog.wego.com/countries-without-quarantine/
simon
2021-07-28 16:36
@mikeseo Is travel within PH still heavily restricted?
mikeseo
2021-07-28 16:43
not heavily, but you need to take a pcr test before going to Boracay and some other places. Now they have companies that come to your house to do the testing and costs around $80.
fish
2021-07-28 16:52
Peruvians aren't allowed to Georgia (white list) yet this website says no problem.
I guess better use:
https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/world.php
Although I wish there was something simpler
mikeseo
2021-07-28 17:19
sorry, PH is 10 days hotel quarantine, pcr day 7, 4 days home quarantine. If you are vaxed AND from greenlight country (not US) than it's 7 days hotel quarantine + pcr test + 4 days home quarantine. (so just 3 days shorter quarantine if vaxed). And $30 for home visit pcr test
michelefrettoli
2021-07-29 08:52
this pdf
burrup.lambert
2021-07-29 13:57
Yes, it is available in numerous places. It's an open letter.
https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-global-lockdown-fraud-88e1a7286c2b
https://www.scribd.com/document/490274322/Request-for-Expedited-Federal-Investigation-Into-Scientific-Fraud-in-COVID-19-Public-Health-Policies
http://www.analysis-review.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-influence-on-the-global-lockdown/?doing_wp_cron=1627567031.5317549705505371093750
gastan
2021-07-31 03:05
It's all greek to me :slightly_smiling_face:
taylorwalkerllc
2021-07-31 06:08
Is there any guideline that I can read about going to Philippines? I am also interested to go there but coming from Thailand I am not sure I can enter
simon
2021-07-31 14:04
@taylorwalkerllc You can find the entry requirements for every countries here: https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/world.php
It seems that except for Thailand, it is currently not possible to visit any SE Asian country (except if you already are a resident).
mikeseo
2021-07-31 15:56
ya I think PH is still closed to tourists
mikeseo
2021-07-31 15:57
and Manila just went into stricter lockdown again, gyms closed etc
burrup.lambert
2021-08-06 21:04
stolzlos
2021-08-07 09:41
nice, every apple user (potential sexual predator) is now electronically strip searched day and night. Wonder how long it takes for Google to follow suit ....
tiagomdreganha
2021-08-09 10:17
No KYC no API :face_with_rolling_eyes:
bierlingm
2021-08-14 07:59
Hit the nail on the head
omocha_10
2021-08-14 16:05
Hi, I read in IATA covid travel map that now many nationalities are allow to enter Russia, but it says you have to travel from a list of countries only.
What is not clear to me is that if you are a citizen of any of the allowed nations you must fly from any of the allowed departure countries or from the one you are citizen or resident.
Does anyone knows about this?
Thanks
maxsuur
2021-08-15 10:56
Hey guys,
I want to order a couple of supplements from a UK company that doesn't ship to Europe. Wondering if you'd happen to know a mail-forwarding company in the UK that would send me the package to Spain at a reasonable cost.
Thanks!
yaron.been
2021-08-20 05:40
If anybody is on the fence:
I'm updating that I've joined the Dynamite circle community about 3 weeks ago and *I'm pretty impressed by the level of knowledge sharing there.*
Will update again after about 90 days.